[Kessobahn]

Liosan, on Dec 3 2008, 02:28 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on Dec 3 2008, 05:08 PM, said:

Omtose, on Dec 3 2008, 11:02 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on Dec 3 2008, 10:56 AM, said:

Ok, so we've established that no one has time right now to post. And since I do have time and have no one interesting(Korlat isn't interesting) enough to talk to I spam. So, what now? Game mechanics? Not a merc game, right? or was it not a cult game, might be a merc game, cant remember. But I assume ghosts(scum) vs. Ghost busters(no idea , maybe mercs?) with innos(town) in between. Anyone got any ideas?

looks like someone is trying to boost there post count

Better than pulling a Silencer and posting once a day and getting the win for team evil. And that was actually what i consider a contribution post. Not a post padding post.

Hey! I object to that!

Omtose, on Dec 3 2008, 05:15 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on Dec 3 2008, 11:08 AM, said:

Omtose, on Dec 3 2008, 11:02 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on Dec 3 2008, 10:56 AM, said:

Ok, so we've established that no one has time right now to post. And since I do have time and have no one interesting(Korlat isn't interesting) enough to talk to I spam. So, what now? Game mechanics? Not a merc game, right? or was it not a cult game, might be a merc game, cant remember. But I assume ghosts(scum) vs. Ghost busters(no idea , maybe mercs?) with innos(town) in between. Anyone got any ideas?

looks like someone is trying to boost there post count

Better than pulling a Silencer and posting once a day and getting the win for team evil. And that was actually what i consider a contribution post. Not a post padding post.

So you are saying that posting about strippers and dirty stripper poles is better than only posting when you have something helpful about the game to say?

You, sir, win one internet!

Kessobahn, on Dec 3 2008, 05:28 PM, said:

After the last game I mus admit, I am tired of non posters skating to day 5 while those of us that actually play the game and enjoy it get picked off. Not advocating lynching lowest posters(yet), but if you cant at least type a few sentences(yes even if they mean nothing (see also Ments non-agressive playstyle last game)) then why sign up. Its not whoever survives to the end, its find the scum and kill them. Kill them and win. Really, it is a disease that self preservation is more important than team victory, thats wrong and something that team evil feeds and feeds off of. If we are going to find scummy behavior, we need info, even 100 posts with nothing in them gives us some info. but hiding and hoping to make it to the final 5 or 6 players, even if you lose gives us nothing.

~End mini rant.

Self-preservation is not good on inno team. It is PURE UNADULTERATED WIN on the evil team. As you all found out last game, no?

:biggrin:

But, for the moment, Kesso must get my vote.

Remove Vote
Vote Kessobahn

Lio- Show me where you gave a reason. You didn't. Therefore I assume its because I am a vocal player, you even agree with me that self-preservation is bad.

Game- look, if you think I am ATTACKING then fine, but its a reasonable argument. Lio didn't post for 6 hours after a joke vote, then comes on and votes me, without an explanation. He gets defensive and says its my attitude, yet he never commented on it. So I really don't see the aggressiveness, could you point out why I am getting on your nervs. I was simply stating a point. If there was some crassness there, well, nothing to do bout that, when I see this stuff, I tend to be a bit crass. Again, please tell me why I am getting on your nerves, is it the tone?

[Fener]

I have been checking in occasionally and of the 2 Rants I am more in the Emur corner. I hate it when people tell me how to play. If its within the rules, then it is a legit strategy. Kess, if you have problems with people posting those messages "Nothing going on, got to go" Then do something about it. Yeah, inno's have been burned the last few games by low posters. But there is one way to combat that. Vote their ass off. Keep voting. If the person is low laying scum then its good for team inno. If the person is inno and non contributing then more than likely they are roleless, which, barring a scum lynch, is the next best thing as its not a roled player. Roled inno's that say and do nothing are worthless, they are privvy to more information than other players and imo the game needs to be steered by them before stupid symps like dibs can take over and run the game. (no offence dibs still marvelling at your play) once the scum start running the game its hell to take back control. I have no problems with either of your rants and Kess sounds genuinely frustrated. But, put your money where your mouth is and throw out a vote. Its early in day 1 so thats not real feasible atm, but down the line try to start a train on one of the people that exhibit the play you are talking about, hell, I might just jump on, and so might someone else and before you know it, we'll have dead scum, dead roleless, or have made someone start to play.

just my 2 cents.

This post has been edited by Fener: 03 December 2008 - 08:16 PM

[Kessobahn]

Gamelon, on Dec 3 2008, 03:09 PM, said:

And I'll tell you why discussing roles and game mechanics is a bad idea. Cus we ain't got not one bit of evidence, not one hint, of what roles could possibly be around. If I was scum, hell, I'd be pointing us all in the direction of killers if I was a FM, for example.

Either you make a case, get yourself some evidence to back up your case and be passionate about that, or you go cool off.

If this was on the certain other boards, you'd be modkilled around about now.

So what do we discuss if not game mechanics? But I see the point . And I still don't see what I am doing that is so bad. I point out Liosan's Vote then disappearance, and his reappearance and vote with no explanation. Thats the beginning of a case.



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[Liosan]

The quotes. Where I quote you, and say "I object to that!", and where I tell you how you are wrong when it comes to being evil.

Did it ever occur to you that during those 6 hours, I was ASLEEP? Some people have to do that, you know!

[Gamelon]

It is the tone. You attacked Kaschan for making a simple observation, put words in his mouth That is bad form, it really ain't on.

You also have to take into account RL matters when it comes down to something like leaving the game for a while. Not everyone is gonna go explaining why they got to stop playing for a number of hours. Could be very personal. Could just be something obvious like work.

Personally, though I stood up against this kinda play earlier, if ya are gonna make yourself a target, a great big vocal target, I've got no problems with lynching you Day One. Better for all of us, as you ain't coming up with any evidence or cases to support this, just commenting on people's lack of playing in Day One. Loudly.

[Kessobahn]

Fener, on Dec 3 2008, 03:14 PM, said:

I have been checking in occasionally and of the 2 Rants I am more in the Emur corner. I hate it when people tell me how to play. If its within the rules, then it is a legit strategy. Kess, if you have problems with people posting those messages "Nothing going on, got to go" Then do something about it. Yeah, inno's have been burned the last few games by low posters. But there is one way to combat that. Vote their ass off. Keep voting. If the person is low laying scum then its good for team inno. If the person is inno and non contributing then more than likely they are roleless, which, barring a scum lynch, is the next best thing as its not a roled player. Roled inno's that say and do nothing are worthless, they are privvy to more information than other players and imo the game needs to be steered by them before stupid symps like dibs can take over and run the game. (no offence dibs still marvelling at your play) once the scum start running the game its hell to take back control. I have no problems with either of your rants and Kess sounds genuinely frustrated. But, put your money where your mouth is and throw out a vote. Its early in day 1 so thats not real feasible atm, but down the line try to start a train on one of the people that exhibit the play you are talking about, hell, I might just jump on, and so might someone else and before you know it, we'll have dead scum, dead roleless, or have made someone start to play.

just my 2 cents.

his is what I am doing, hence the no vote on the low posters. Where exactly did you disagree with me? Seriously, no sarcasm, you stated m whole rant and agreed, I am not trying to tell people how to play, I am trying to get those that arent to start playing.

[Kessobahn]

Liosan, on Dec 3 2008, 03:15 PM, said:

The quotes. Where I quote you, and say "I object to that!", and where I tell you how you are wrong when it comes to being evil.

Did it ever occur to you that during those 6 hours, I was ASLEEP? Some people have to do that, you know!

Fine you were sleeping, cool, but you didn't explain the vote. Hey, I object to that and YOU AGREED WITH ME that self preservation was a bad inno move. No where did you disagree, not once.

[Kessobahn]

Gamelon, on Dec 3 2008, 03:18 PM, said:

It is the tone. You attacked Kaschan for making a simple observation, put words in his mouth That is bad form, it really ain't on.

You also have to take into account RL matters when it comes down to something like leaving the game for a while. Not everyone is gonna go explaining why they got to stop playing for a number of hours. Could be very personal. Could just be something obvious like work.

Personally, though I stood up against this kinda play earlier, if ya are gonna make yourself a target, a great big vocal target, I've got no problems with lynching you Day One. Better for all of us, as you ain't coming up with any evidence or cases to support this, just commenting on people's lack of playing in Day One. Loudly.

I didn't attack Kas, I asked a question, and voted Kas, because I didn't think discussing mechanics were bad, you explained why this might be, I removed my vote.
And I am making a small case on Lio, and look, we're all talking, but I haven't voted because he is still explaining, still not attacking.

This post has been edited by Kessobahn: 03 December 2008 - 08:23 PM

[Liosan]

I said that it was actually a good thing for evils. Not a direct disagreement, but it's still a defence of a play-style choice, Kess.

The vote didn't need explaining, surely? Everybody does those crappy joke-votes for no good reason on day one! As I said later, Omtose's vote should have been worse in your eyes - mine was quite obviously a joke-reaction.

[Kessobahn]

Liosan, on Dec 3 2008, 03:23 PM, said:

I said that it was actually a good thing for evils. Not a direct disagreement, but it's still a defence of a play-style choice, Kess.

The vote didn't need explaining, surely? Everybody does those crappy joke-votes for no good reason on day one! As I said later, Omtose's vote should have been worse in your eyes - mine was quite obviously a joke-reaction.

Right, you said self preservation was bad for innos, good for evils. I said that. We agree. Its not a survival game unless you are evil. We agree right? The joke vote doesn't need an explanation and isn't really valid, its the vote,disappear,appear 6 hours later and vote without explanation. that is the reason for my suspicion. I am trying to be very clear here lio.I just do not see an explanation for you vote on me, in the post in which you voted. After I assumed it was because I was vocal, you explained, but not in the post you voted for me in. You simply objected to a statement and then agreed that self-preservation is good for team evil, as in last game, then voted me. It was a serious vote on me, it deserved an explantion in that post. Not after I pointed it out and then you go on the defensive. Just seems odd. Not vote worthy, but note worthy, for future referance.

[Korlat]

Just so that we can get the obligatory discussion of mechanics out of the way (at least from my PoV).... Do I hear groans in the background? Oh well.

So 17 players TMDI 6:

This means to me, 3 to 4 baddies and whole bunch of odd and weird roles. There discussion done. Unless someone else has anything they want to add, this seems to be a pretty straight forward game.

Edit: Massive crosspostage, guess thats what happens when you doze off

This post has been edited by Korlat: 03 December 2008 - 08:35 PM

[Korlat]

Remove vote

Vote: D'riss

Because its always nice to check the thread and discover someone wants you lynched for no reason on day 1

So does anyone else feel that Kess has been so nice and vocal that everyone else is just stuck in his shadow?

[Gamelon]

Korlat, on Dec 3 2008, 08:44 PM, said:

Remove vote

Vote: D'riss

Because its always nice to check the thread and discover someone wants you lynched for no reason on day 1

So does anyone else feel that Kess has been so nice and vocal that everyone else is just stuck in his shadow?

I do, which is why I'm leaving my vote right there upon him. He ain't helping innos out one bit, far as I can see. Like I said earlier, a desert-full of nothing, which never helps.

[Kessobahn]

Korlat, on Dec 3 2008, 03:44 PM, said:

Remove vote

Vote: D'riss

Because its always nice to check the thread and discover someone wants you lynched for no reason on day 1

So does anyone else feel that Kess has been so nice and vocal that everyone else is just stuck in his shadow?

People always seem to be stuck in my shadow. But if I need to be quiet, I will. Let me give everyone a turn and ease back and view a while. One closing point. My suspect list are as follows. Liosan - until he gives a valid explanation of his vote on me without explaining. Everyone else - because you arent me.

Edit: Korlat - Lio did the same thing to me.

This post has been edited by Kessobahn: 03 December 2008 - 08:49 PM

[Liosan]

A valid explanation of my vote for you without explaining? How the fuck am I supposed to do that? O.o

[Korlat]

Kessobahn, on Dec 3 2008, 10:49 PM, said:

People always seem to be stuck in my shadow. But if I need to be quiet, I will. Let me give everyone a turn and ease back and view a while. One closing point. My suspect list are as follows. Liosan - until he gives a valid explanation of his vote on me without explaining. Everyone else - because you arent me.

Edit: Korlat - Lio did the same thing to me.

Being stuck in your shadow is ok, just as long as we can talk ourselves, so far, of the last few pages all I can remember is you on your soap box and everyone going after you.

And oh I love the suspect list, its so amazingly brilliant, can't believe I did not think of it myself!

As for the Edit: same thing? um are you talking about the vote or something else entirely?

[Emurlahn]

Korlat has a fair point there about the game centering on one person.
Also, the scumlist Kesso presents is as good as 'no scumlist'... why did you even mention it in the first place when you basically lack a scumlist?
Also, why is a vote on you, with or without explanation, any more scummy than a vote on anyone else?

Anyway,

Remove vote.

We're (or at the least I am) out of joke-vote territory and into the game, and Omtose hasn't done anything (yet ) to receive more than a jokevote.

reason for edit: changing Gamelon to Korlat as first word, had the wrong player there.

This post has been edited by Emurlahn: 03 December 2008 - 09:07 PM

[Kessobahn]

Liosan, on Dec 3 2008, 03:55 PM, said:

A valid explanation of my vote for you without explaining? How the fuck am I supposed to do that? O.o

You stop saying you did explain and then say, yes I did agree with you and left out the reason. And then say, if I had asked in a reasonable way, you wouldn't have gotten so defensive, and then remove your vote and say you understand my arguement and you just want me to mellow out a little.

Thats how I would do it. lol

As for the attitude I will try to tone down a little,

[Kessobahn]

Korlat, on Dec 3 2008, 03:55 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on Dec 3 2008, 10:49 PM, said:

People always seem to be stuck in my shadow. But if I need to be quiet, I will. Let me give everyone a turn and ease back and view a while. One closing point. My suspect list are as follows. Liosan - until he gives a valid explanation of his vote on me without explaining. Everyone else - because you arent me.

Edit: Korlat - Lio did the same thing to me.

Being stuck in your shadow is ok, just as long as we can talk ourselves, so far, of the last few pages all I can remember is you on your soap box and everyone going after you.

And oh I love the suspect list, its so amazingly brilliant, can't believe I did not think of it myself!

As for the Edit: same thing? um are you talking about the vote or something else entirely?

Talking about him voting for me without a reason

[Kessobahn]

Emurlahn, on Dec 3 2008, 04:07 PM, said:

Also, the scumlist Kesso presents is as good as 'no scumlist'... why did you even mention it in the first place when you basically lack a scumlist?
Also, why is a vote on you, with or without explanation, any more scummy than a vote on anyone else?

I presented the scum list as a joke, I put Lio on that scum list for reasons already stated.

A serious vote without an explanation after a six hour absense(when there was already heat on me thus adding to it, trying to start a train maybe, just a guess mind) appears scummy to me.