[Hood's Path]

Ruse, on Dec 5 2008, 02:39 PM, said:

So I'm trying to look at the D'riss case, as that seems to be the other one that is picking up steam, but I don't really see very much about. He makes a few weird comments after the NK that Gamelon is ticked the wrong way by, though they don't really look scummy to me, just annoying. So Gamelon's vote stays on him after he votes for HP. I can see good reasons for voting for HP, given that we can't be sure whether the content of that drunken post was actually the truth (although Liosan being a GB would suggest not). So I'd like to know if Gamelon can expand on/clarify his reasons for going after D'riss.

yeah.. cause you know.. Liosan being innocent doesn't invalidate the whole claim or anything

[D'riss]

Hood's Path, on Dec 5 2008, 03:17 PM, said:

Ruse, on Dec 5 2008, 02:39 PM, said:

So I'm trying to look at the D'riss case, as that seems to be the other one that is picking up steam, but I don't really see very much about. He makes a few weird comments after the NK that Gamelon is ticked the wrong way by, though they don't really look scummy to me, just annoying. So Gamelon's vote stays on him after he votes for HP. I can see good reasons for voting for HP, given that we can't be sure whether the content of that drunken post was actually the truth (although Liosan being a GB would suggest not). So I'd like to know if Gamelon can expand on/clarify his reasons for going after D'riss.

yeah.. cause you know.. Liosan being innocent doesn't invalidate the whole claim or anything

yeah, awesome we could find a way to clear you without you having to justify or respond to anything.

[D'riss]

Hmm, well, I also have alt-guessed Omtose, and that's a guy who would (and has) come to play in situation no normally constituted male would otherwise manage to.

My earlier comment about him not showing up was not a complaint, but a concern, hope he's fine.

Game-wise, I'm not sure how to proceed if he doesn't say anything. The time stops before end-of-day, do I understand well?

[Ruse]

D'riss, on Dec 5 2008, 01:32 PM, said:

Game-wise, I'm not sure how to proceed if he doesn't say anything. The time stops before end-of-day, do I understand well?

Yeah, the timer stops with 12 hours left in the day. So lots of time for Omtose to make an appearance.

[D'riss]

By the way, as for Gamelon's case against me, I'm not ignoring it or anything, but I didn't see it as he thinking I'm a killer but him being annoyed at my (petty, I admit) comments:

Gamelon, on Dec 4 2008, 09:27 PM, said:

Shut up, D'riss. Seriously, shut up.

Vote D'riss

If your going to be that fucking smug about something that a) i didn't initiate, and B ) contradicts your so-called list of things you like, I personally think you deserve to be lynched.

Especially as I didn't even have a chance to fucking use my "list". Bollox.

But hey, your probably not a GB, so it's all good.

Editted for clarity.

Not sure how to respond to that. As for Shadow, who followed, I'll have to find the post but from what I remember it was around "I agree with Gamelon".

[D'riss]

Ah, found it. It was easy, he's got very few posts:

Shadow, on Dec 5 2008, 02:08 AM, said:

Ok I went through D'riss' posts after I thought his attacking Gamelon just seemed like trying to create something scummy to try and get people in. He seems to have been doing it a lot, one of his first posts is about the song lyric thing maybe being a connection sign between scum, then hes been harping on the hood drunk post loads more than I think is really necessary and then when I combine this with the Gamelon thing it definitely looks to me like he is trying to just throw us at whoever and isn't really that bothered who it turns out to be,
Im not going to bring in his attitude towards getting liosan lynched because I can actually understand that as he did seem very dodgy especially with the self vote and the overreacting.
So now
Vote D'riss
I will probably be going to sleep soon so will be out for a while.

My first post was to point out something Tennes said that made sense, but that's nothing to build a case on, but to come back to if one of the two involved turns out to be a killer.

And as for "harping" the HP post, I still can't imagine a guy who posts hfddwAAHSDADAAAA can be assumed to make a witty joke in that state. And if it was, why did he constantly dodge the calls to clarify, until after the lynch, and after a few did it for him ? It's like he went "oh yeah, a joke , good idea". I'm not the only one who mentioned his post when I votes Liosan.

And if I tricked Gamelon into saying something scummy, point out where.

[Emurlahn]

Well, home at last. Have a party in a few hours, and yet to make some munchies for it, so will be out. Not that such a lot happened, anyway... I'll participate more during the weekend, am going nowhere then so have all the time in the world to re-read and post replies and the odd case.

[Shadow]

Yes I just realised when I went back that that was actually a tennes post that you quoted, so Im slightly less sure of you now but im not convinced enough to remove vote just yet. Its not that you tricked him it was that he said something about wondering if the GB could communicate off thread, and you keep asking him to explain and then suddenly jumped on him and kept attacking him for giving the killers clues, just seems a bit dodgy to me. About the HP thing Its just seems like you seem a lot more bothered about it than I think it is actually worth, and you keep saying that you dont think someone very drunk could come up with a joke like that , which to me just seems plain stupid. I will go back and check around the Liosan lynch but the only one I really remember mentioning the HP post as evidence is you.

[D'riss]

Shadow, on Dec 5 2008, 03:51 PM, said:

Yes I just realised when I went back that that was actually a tennes post that you quoted, so Im slightly less sure of you now but im not convinced enough to remove vote just yet. Its not that you tricked him it was that he said something about wondering if the GB could communicate off thread, and you keep asking him to explain and then suddenly jumped on him and kept attacking him for giving the killers clues, just seems a bit dodgy to me. About the HP thing Its just seems like you seem a lot more bothered about it than I think it is actually worth, and you keep saying that you dont think someone very drunk could come up with a joke like that , which to me just seems plain stupid. I will go back and check around the Liosan lynch but the only one I really remember mentioning the HP post as evidence is you.

Look again, I was asking him to clarify the HP's joke, since I honestly didn't get it. He clarified the thing I didn't want to clarify, that's not my fault.

[D'riss]

That week-end break will be great for me too. I've done my original catch-up a bit too fast, I came late and got such a climb to do.

Seems I've been more angry than useful so far this game

[Tennes]

Just popping in to tell you all that im going to get some vaccinations, so wont be around for a while.
I think Mockra highlighting who he thinks is roled etc, is fucking stupid. Theres a large chance he'll end up on that team, so why do it?
As for me not antagnoising people, atm I just haven't the time. I'll come back and be really nasty if you want though . This was at Mockras earlier comment btw.
I think his whole Im not sure i'd get a team thing is pretty bollocks aswell.

This post has been edited by Tennes: 05 December 2008 - 02:50 PM

[D'riss]

Tennes, on Dec 5 2008, 04:49 PM, said:

Just popping in to tell you all that im going to get some vaccinations, so wont be around for a while.

With your loony lifestyle of debauchery, that is wise

[Gamelon]

Right I'm back. As D'riss has been a little more conversational today...

Remove vote

I didn't like that attitude, and you did refuse to clarify what you wanted discussed. HP's joke was sort of obvious, imo, and shouldn't have needed to be clarified.

Whence I explained what I meant by list, which, lets face it, was not a genius idea, good lovers are hardly novel, you did seem to take it fairly strongly, as well as laying the blame for one dead GB more or less at my feet, which I just didn't like. It's not an impossible idea that killers may have had figured it out already, anyway. Or just plain and simple bad luck.

Mockra, please stop speculating roles and alts, because I learnt my lesson lols, please take it from me, its a bad idea.
And anyway, I am RI. As there is no CF, you would have to have been PMed about your faction. Simple as. Killing me will simply give you the name of a bit part in the movie. Does anyone notice anything, anything at all, about the fact that Mockra is acting rather Slimer like? Just annoying us all a bit.

As for Silencer, I believe he had some RL issues going on at the time, actually.

[Gamelon]

Mockra, on Dec 5 2008, 10:54 AM, said:

i am just sorely pissed that i seem to draw these roles that don't allow me to play, if its any consolation i was just talking through my ass, i can barely remember who said what, but i am not going to be able to play until i find out my alignment so i am just never going to guard anyone and assume i am opposite of gamelon. If you believe his i am so innocent speech and latch to my reveal then fine, but i guarded him last night for a reason. Actually scratch that, i am just going to guard gamelon as i dont buy his RI stuff he said it too many times. If the mods see fit to clarify then fine, if not then fine, but i will vote for the player with the most votes and i will not do anything other than guard gamelon. I am not going to make cases, and i aint going to defend myself.

remove vote

vote omtose

I have no problem with that, Mockra. But I'm fairly sure they'd have to tell you.

Unless of course my other theory about you is correct, but I'm willing to leave that till later in the game.

[Ruse]

Hood's Path, on Dec 5 2008, 01:17 PM, said:

Ruse, on Dec 5 2008, 02:39 PM, said:

So I'm trying to look at the D'riss case, as that seems to be the other one that is picking up steam, but I don't really see very much about. He makes a few weird comments after the NK that Gamelon is ticked the wrong way by, though they don't really look scummy to me, just annoying. So Gamelon's vote stays on him after he votes for HP. I can see good reasons for voting for HP, given that we can't be sure whether the content of that drunken post was actually the truth (although Liosan being a GB would suggest not). So I'd like to know if Gamelon can expand on/clarify his reasons for going after D'riss.

yeah.. cause you know.. Liosan being innocent doesn't invalidate the whole claim or anything

It doesn't necessarily follow that if one part of a statement is a lie, the whole thing is - just makes it much more unlikely. I know it's probably just a joke, but I had a hard time distinguishing it as such at the time, which has lodged in the back of my mind. Probably just because your general drunkenness made it seem more genuine.


Just covering my bases, I'm sure you understand.

[Fener]

At the risk of pissing off Kess... just letting you all know, my weekend is packed. I will have little time to devote to the game, I will read when I can and comment when I can, but I probably won't have time to make a proper case. With the weekend break I am sure we will hear from Omtose at some point and look forward to his defense of the inconsistencies in his play. I'll be in and out for the next 6-8 hours and then... who knows. RL's a bitch and really inconsiderate when it comes to proper Mafia play. My Kingdom for 48 hours and a 1.75L bottle of vodka.

@ Game as promised I looked at the D'riss case and didn't see much. for now my vote stays.

@ Everyone, should we find it odd that NO ONE has even questioned the Omtose case? Other than my disagreement with the "Game/Liosan case" part ( I think its the third section in the Ruse case on Omtose). Not sure if thats good or bad that no one has stood up for him. Either the killers don't want to link themselves to him or we are barking up the wrong tree.... but most people have posted since the case and since the train got rolling (except for Omtose himself). I think we might be on to something here.

I'll be checking in intermittently. Hasta Luego

EDIT: for clarity

This post has been edited by Fener: 05 December 2008 - 05:17 PM

[Fener]

Hood's Path, on Dec 5 2008, 01:17 PM, said:

Ruse, on Dec 5 2008, 02:39 PM, said:

So I'm trying to look at the D'riss case, as that seems to be the other one that is picking up steam, but I don't really see very much about. He makes a few weird comments after the NK that Gamelon is ticked the wrong way by, though they don't really look scummy to me, just annoying. So Gamelon's vote stays on him after he votes for HP. I can see good reasons for voting for HP, given that we can't be sure whether the content of that drunken post was actually the truth (although Liosan being a GB would suggest not). So I'd like to know if Gamelon can expand on/clarify his reasons for going after D'riss.

yeah.. cause you know.. Liosan being innocent doesn't invalidate the whole claim or anything

Just wanted to comment on this as well, The 2 are independant. You could have been a killer or more likely a symp trying to get an inno lynch. The fact that he came back inno in no way clears you from a questionable tactic that, after the RD game, you had to know was going to bring heat onto you. I think its Hilarious that people think they can pull stunts like this and expect everyone to laugh it off as "just a joke" this is mafia paople. We use posts to build cases. pulling crap like this doesn't help. If you are inno I can see no reason to pull stunts like this. All it does is bring attention to yourself and takes it away from the killers. Sure, its a good way to stay alive, cause the killers know you aren't one of them, and want to leave you around to sow confusion, but all you succeed in doing is being that annoying itch under the ball sac that you just can't scratch cause you are in a room full of hot women. And once we scratch it... dammit if we don't look like idiots and you come up inno. Thanks for wasting our day talking about you when we could have been productive and looking for scum. /end mini rant

This post has been edited by Fener: 05 December 2008 - 05:18 PM

[Ruse]

Fener, on Dec 4 2008, 11:50 PM, said:

Ruse, on Dec 4 2008, 02:12 PM, said:

Omtose, on Dec 4 2008, 12:35 PM, said:

D'riss, on Dec 4 2008, 07:27 AM, said:

Omtose, on Dec 4 2008, 02:23 PM, said:

D'riss, on Dec 4 2008, 07:17 AM, said:

Mockra, on Dec 4 2008, 07:16 AM, said:

vote liosan

OK, am I the only one who didn't see that one coming after reading attentively the three giga-posts?

Yea I was thinking Gamelon was gonna get a big fat vote right there, and then BAM...liosan

I perfectly agree with his vote on Liosan and the reason he put to justify it after, I'm just amazed by the gigantic amount of energy he put to build a "symp" case before being sure about Liosan.

Ha ha ha,
hell, Agree with his reasoning as well.

In fact
remove vote
Vote Liosan

There just seems to be more and more "evidence" to the fact that liosan could in fact be scum.
Mockra's case is allot more convincing.
Perhaps kessoh's attitude has been blinding me somewhat.

So Mockra's case on Liosan is more convincing, despite the fact that it was actually aimed at Gamelon with a weird "but I'm going to vote Liosan instead" at the end? This reads to me as though he's searching for any way possible to justify hopping on the train.

So I read your case and I really like it. Omtose has been not very consistent at all, contradicting himself at times to go with the flow. . The only thing I don't agree with isthe point above that I just quoted. Mockra's case was on Liosan with Gamelon as a symp. I actually thought it was a well put together case for game symping Liosan. Not sure why people are having a hard time understanding that He( Mockra) was doing what you should do if you think you have found a master and a symp... vote the master. He didn't have much evidence on the master but a hell of a lot on the symp. He quoted it and voted master.... BUT, your other points hold water. Enough to sway me.

vote omtose

EDIT for spelling

Yeah, I see where you're coming from. I think I was guilty of going with my initial impression of Mocrka's case instead or actually going through and reading it again - I just did and you're right, it is backed up by the idea that Gamelon was symping Liosan and therefore Liosan was the more obvious vote. 

Fener said:

@ Everyone, should we find it odd that NO ONE has even questioned the Omtose case? Other than my disagreement with the Game/Liosan case? Not sure if thats good or bad. Either the killers don't want to link themselves to him or we are barking up the wrong tree.... but most people have posted since the case and since the train got rolling (except for Omtose himself). I think we might be on to something here.

I was slightly surprised that noone has disagreed with my case all that much myself, to be honest. I wish I could put it down to my mad casing skillz, but in reality I think it is more likely because when I posted it it was kind of against the flow of conversation and consequently got brushed over by the majority of people. As a result, it hasn't been scrutinized quite so much. Plus, I imagine a lot of people will withhold final judgement until Omtose has had a chance to defend himself.

Obviously, I think we might be onto something, but if we were barking up the wrong tree, one might expect a scum or two to voice a disagreement so that when he came back inno they could point to it as evidence of their inno-ness. But that's getting into playstyle discussion, so probably not a productive avenue to go down at the moment.

[D'riss]

Fener, on Dec 5 2008, 07:03 PM, said:

being that annoying itch under the ball sac that you just can't scratch cause you are in a room full of hot women.

hahaha.

You know what's gonna happen to me next time I'm in a room full of hot women thanks to you

[Path-Shaper]

Day 2, weeknd freeze starts @ 7;30 PM GMT, leaving 12 hours on the clock

15 of you are still alive (Rashan, Ruse, Kaschan, D'riss, Kessobahn, Korlat, Gamelon, Shadow, Tennes, Fener, Silanah, Mockra, Omtose, Emurlahn, Hood's Path)

8 votes to lynch or go to night

1 vote for D'riss: Shadow
1 vote for Mockra : Rashan
5 votes for Omtose : Ruse, Fener, Kaschan, D'riss, Mockra

8 people have not voted: Gamelon, Hood's Path, Omtose, Silanah, , Tennes, Korlat Emurlahn Kessobahn