[Hinter]

Halfway through a re-read of RotCG and still flummoxed by the lost brothers and why they are helping Kyle. I have a vague theory but perhaps y'all could fill in the gaps (or completely rubbish it and just plain tell me WTF).

1) Stalker, Coots and Badlands (one of my favourite names to date btw) are from Assail and they are running from the chaos enveloping that continent.
2) They joined the CG to make a living.
3) Seeing the internal strife within the CG they thought "sod this" and used Kyle's desertion to do a runner themselves.

However, they all seem a lot more streetwise than Kyle so if their motive was simply desertion, they'd be better off running the opposite way, as Kyle had some badass Guardsmen chasing him down initially.

If they wanted out of the guard, why join with Kyle, why go on a quest to find K'azz (who turned out to be a bit crap*) and why head back to Quon Tali with K'azz and Kyle, ending up right back into the bosom of the CG?

I think that there is a lot more to come from these three bad boys.

*K'azz walks out of the cave and roars "Brethren! Attend!". Here we go, I'm thinking, he's now gonna do some serious shit, reconcile the guard and open up a 6-pack of whoopass on the empire, the old guard and anyone else who's pissed him off. But no, he goes and watches a few blokes defend a bridge. Talk about an anti-climax...

[Epiph]

As far as I can tell, the consensus with Kyle et al seems to be that they had nothing better to do. Which I think is crap and is why I didn't like Kyle. I'm actually more willing to accept that from the Lost Bros, but their accompaniment of Kyle does strike one as more than meets the eye.

Or I guess it could just be basic human kindness, but that's boring.

This post has been edited by Epiph: 26 November 2008 - 04:44 PM

[Sinisdar Toste]

well stalker talks about how the avowed have walked the land for ages and accrued a lot of power, then he mentions how he thought he's left this story behind, i think he and the two brothers might have had some pretty insider info on the assail tyrants... doesn't do much to explain why they joined kyle or anything, but it does to why they wouldn't really care where theyre going.

[Trenchgrave]

It might be more a case if what Kyle is than who he is. The Queen of dreams entered the game and has a new soldier. I think she is going to surprise quite a few important people. The brothers are bad news, but we dont know why they left home. We do know however, that they are now in essance guarding and training the soldier of a high house, one with a very nifty sword. Again, we dont know who they were affiliated with back home, but they could have been sent to do exactly what they are doing now.

[Abyss]

We don't actually know that Kyle holds the Soldier position beyond the immediate events in RCG.

The brothers drop a few hints about fighting for a cause and not being fans of the sort of dictatorship Skinner seems to be working for. At an utter guess, they seem to be the 'good guys' amidst the insanity on Assail, whatever that may be.


- Abyss, ....hey, at least they weren't vampires....

[Sinisdar Toste]

i think my brain might have exploded if they were!

[Beren]

My initial thought was that they were Boles, or cousins to the Boles from the Mott Irregulars. I let my mom borrow my book so I can't check the source, but weren't they recruited on Genabakis during the time when the CG was allied with Rake and Brood?

I could be off, but in my mind that explained why the Avowed had a hard time tracking them and they were against magic users or whatever, since the Bole family specialized in fighting magic.

[Blend]

Beren, on Dec 15 2008, 04:03 PM, said:

My initial thought was that they were Boles, or cousins to the Boles from the Mott Irregulars. I let my mom borrow my book so I can't check the source, but weren't they recruited on Genabakis during the time when the CG was allied with Rake and Brood?

I could be off, but in my mind that explained why the Avowed had a hard time tracking them and they were against magic users or whatever, since the Bole family specialized in fighting magic.

Nah, they're definitely from Assail, and the reason the Avowed couldn't track them was cause they were with Kyle, who had the magical Osserc sword!

[The Drum]

Blend, on Dec 15 2008, 05:10 PM, said:

Beren, on Dec 15 2008, 04:03 PM, said:

My initial thought was that they were Boles, or cousins to the Boles from the Mott Irregulars. I let my mom borrow my book so I can't check the source, but weren't they recruited on Genabakis during the time when the CG was allied with Rake and Brood?

I could be off, but in my mind that explained why the Avowed had a hard time tracking them and they were against magic users or whatever, since the Bole family specialized in fighting magic.

Nah, they're definitely from Assail, and the reason the Avowed couldn't track them was cause they were with Kyle, who had the magical Osserc sword!

Spoiler

Klye first sword carried Osserc to the shadow realm, but that sword didn't hide him from the awoved. An avowed mage caught up with Kyle just b4 the bros found him and the bros sort of scared her off.

The bros said they were from Assail and were recruited from Genabackis, Stalker said that he was sensitive to magic use, being a memeber of the Bole family would explain that family trait, maybe thier cousins or something.
I personally think there may be a novella or two on the Lost Bros.

[frank]

I think they are opposing whatever is happening on Assail and are looking for help/allies. Traveller or Erko said that they brought something(knowledge?) with them that should never have left Assail. I belive they first joined the guard for its potential, but found it flawed (in a way similar to home) and then Kyle showed up. They either chose him already or are checking out if he really is what he seams to be.

[The Drum]

Near the end of the book, the avowed sabatouer (can't think of his name) who died when Kyle left the guard, has returned as a part of the Brethren, the spirit version of a fallen avowed. Badlands says that they're 'Just like back home' i.e. Assail. SO back home on Assail theres a possibility that the Tyrants have an army of 'avowed' soilders, sworn to the Tyrants by ritual and that when these die they become spirits such as the Brethren?

[drinksinbars]

i actually had the weird impression that they were actually bridgeburners at one point, but dismissed it. theres a scene at the bridge where they unload equipment and it just struck me as a scene about the bridgeburners.

[HoosierDaddy]

Perhaps it was originally just as simple as a good excuse to run away from the Guard, and along the way they figured what the hell and just kept going. Could be explained by the enemy of my enemy is my friend sort of reasoning. Anyway, I don't think they have a damn clue about what they want to do (I.E.: "Where should we go? "North", "South", "West" sort of stuff) and hey, Traveller and Ereko are cool, oh hey, Greymane's real cool... etc, etc.

[The Drum]

Sorry didn't really think much of Greymane, all he did was stand around looking morose and get his ass kicked by skinner, did i miss anything else?

[foolio]

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*K'azz walks out of the cave and roars "Brethren! Attend!". Here we go, I'm thinking, he's now gonna do some serious shit, reconcile the guard and open up a 6-pack of whoopass on the empire, the old guard and anyone else who's pissed him off. But no, he goes and watches a few blokes defend a bridge. Talk about an anti-climax...

couldnt agree more. Was a major downer...

[Jamber Bole]

The Drum, on Dec 19 2008, 11:22 PM, said:

Sorry didn't really think much of Greymane, all he did was stand around looking morose and get his ass kicked by skinner, did i miss anything else?

He would've kicked some skinny ass if the sanctuary wasn't so close is what I'm thinking! From what we've seen from Graymane, I think I like him.

[Ain't_It_Just_]

Greymane was a bit of a disapointment actually...we didn't discover anything about his backstory, except that he tried to draw a truce or something. What about Ipshank and Manask?

[Hinter]

The Drum, on Dec 19 2008, 10:22 PM, said:

Sorry didn't really think much of Greymane, all he did was stand around looking morose and get his ass kicked by skinner, did i miss anything else?

He killed the warlock Shen in the prologue, before discovering the sleeping Osserc.
He led the attack on/capture of the fleet that took the Guard to Stratem, then Quon Tali
He was instrumental in uncovering Skinner's treachery and then convincing Shimmer of the plot.
He'd have kicked Skinner's arse if Skinner hadn't had magical armour.
He'll kick Dasems arse any time he feels like it (oh, can you hear those fanboys growling)

Ain't_It_Just_, on Jan 14 2009, 04:44 AM, said:

Greymane was a bit of a disapointment actually...we didn't discover anything about his backstory, except that he tried to draw a truce or something. What about Ipshank and Manask?

He was a Malazan (High?) Fist, in command of the Imperial forces on Korel. He saw the pointlessness of the conflict and tried and failed to arrange a truce, which is why he's now on the run from the Empire. There are hints that he's been around for a while and could be one of the old guard (not sure if that's fact or something I picked up on this board - it's all becoming a bit of a blur!)

[Blend]

Hinter, on Jan 14 2009, 12:28 PM, said:

Ain't_It_Just_, on Jan 14 2009, 04:44 AM, said:

Greymane was a bit of a disapointment actually...we didn't discover anything about his backstory, except that he tried to draw a truce or something. What about Ipshank and Manask?

He was a Malazan (High?) Fist, in command of the Imperial forces on Korel. He saw the pointlessness of the conflict and tried and failed to arrange a truce, which is why he's now on the run from the Empire. There are hints that he's been around for a while and could be one of the old guard (not sure if that's fact or something I picked up on this board - it's all becoming a bit of a blur!)

I got more the impression that he, as High Fist, did something that was against Imperial orders because he wanted to save the lives of the people in his company or whatever. I don't think it was because of the truce specifically that he became renegade. It was all about saving the lives of the people under him. He's compassionate, and yet hard as steel! I loves Greymane!

[foolio]

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He'd have kicked Skinner's arse if Skinner hadn't had magical armour.

I thought he said unequivocally to Shimmer that he cant beat Skinner...(shimmer/skinner-arghhh)

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He'll kick Dasems arse any time he feels like it

what? Really?