[Serc]

Lol I know the basic rule of reveals, boys.
However, I think this Rashan situation is more complex than it seems and thus needs to be treated that way.

[Omtose]

sigh
is it an Aussie/kiwi?
cuz then we might as well give up.....

[Emurlahn]

How much longer have we got for this night action to come in before you have to go?

[Serc]

Oh, and for the books, I am not desperate for you not to lynch Rashan, I will add my vote if it's needed, simply because of the BP being suspicious, but until then, I think we need to calm down and slow down. We are going a mile a minute right now, which is helping no one. :GA: We shouldn't have lynched Rashan so early yesterday. We lynched him about ten hours into the day. Which was basically a waste of safe-time.

[Tennes]

Serc, on Nov 12 2008, 10:18 PM, said:

Oh, and for the books, I am not desperate for you not to lynch Rashan, I will add my vote if it's needed, simply because of the BP being suspicious, but until then, I think we need to calm down and slow down. We are going a mile a minute right now, which is helping no one. :GA: We shouldn't have lynched Rashan so early yesterday. We lynched him about ten hours into the day. Which was basically a waste of safe-time.

Are you kidding me! Even if we had waited till the end of the day how would it have been different. I don't call finding out that a scum (possiblely Quinn) has a BP and getting rid of it a waste. His defense is that I killed my dog. Give me a break. Why do we need to wait to find out what his CF is. That smacks of desperation. I revealed so that we would lynch him quickly and not wait all day. It doesn't make any sense to wait when you find scum. Sure wait if you don't know that a person is scum but I know and I have put my self on the firing line to prove it.

[Galayn Lord]

Serc, on Nov 12 2008, 02:18 PM, said:

We shouldn't have lynched Rashan so early yesterday. We lynched him about ten hours into the day. Which was basically a waste of safe-time.

There is no such thing as too fast a lynch, when you get valuable info out of it.

Seriously, you aren't helping your case here.

[Serc]

Tennes, on Nov 12 2008, 10:24 PM, said:

Serc, on Nov 12 2008, 10:18 PM, said:

Oh, and for the books, I am not desperate for you not to lynch Rashan, I will add my vote if it's needed, simply because of the BP being suspicious, but until then, I think we need to calm down and slow down. We are going a mile a minute right now, which is helping no one. :GA: We shouldn't have lynched Rashan so early yesterday. We lynched him about ten hours into the day. Which was basically a waste of safe-time.

Are you kidding me! Even if we had waited till the end of the day how would it have been different. I don't call finding out that a scum (possiblely Quinn) has a BP and getting rid of it a waste. His defense is that I killed my dog. Give me a break. Why do we need to wait to find out what his CF is. That smacks of desperation. I revealed so that we would lynch him quickly and not wait all day. It doesn't make any sense to wait when you find scum. Sure wait if you don't know that a person is scum but I know and I have put my self on the firing line to prove it.

Voting someone off early in the day is akin to voting night! Especially if your going by one persons word! The fact your dog is dead and thus can't confirm is suspect, for one. Its awfully convenient. Although then again, so is Rashan's "I didn't know I had a BP. Really I didn't."
It's just things like that, like being lucky enough to find scum Night One, after lynching scum(what are the odds of that, seriously? Not very likely at all.) I don't think blindly running into a lynch is ever a good idea. He was essentially speed lynched. I was going to vote for him originally, but your reveal made me pause and think about this.

[Serc]

And as for not helping my case, you can go ahead and lynch me if you want. It'll just strengthen my case when the inno CF comes up.

[Liosan]

Ok.. Shit, just finished reading through all the pages. I'm more than a little surprised that the day is already over, but alas. At least the lynch was the right one as far as I can see.

My impression on the Rashan thing is quite simple. Rashan was the obvious lynch for day 2. Things were progressing smoothly towards a Rashan lynch and then Tennes made his weirdly complex and fucked up reveal. It makes no sense to reveal like he did at the time if he was not speaking the truth. It makes no sense to make up such an improbable role combination if it was not true. At least not at the time he did reveal.

Arguing that we should not lynch Rashan tomorow is plain idiocy. We have no other option but to lynch Rashan again, and if he turns up innocent, then we know that Tennes is evil. It makes no sense approaching this in any other way.

Serc stands out clearly as the main lynch candidate following a guilty rashan find. His defence of Rashan has been too certain and way too irrational for an innocent.

that's about it. I'll wait for morning

[Emurlahn]

That said though at the moment he is the only person defending Rashan. And if he was/is scum I'd think he'd have to be a complete idiot to stand so close to Rashan after that day and Rashan surviving . (P.S if you are his partner I apologize for calling you an idiot ).

[Serc]

Ok, for the LAST time, I am not saying DONT VOTE RASHAN, I am saying step back and THINK! Tennes role reveal made no sense full stop. Is no one going to question the reveal here other than me?

[Galayn Lord]

Oh, and let's not forget some early voting in Day 2:

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18 players remain, 10 votes to lynch, 9 to go to night.

3 votes for galain (shadow, rashan, serc)
2 votes for meanas (galain, korvalain)
1 vote for rashan (telas)

A bit later:

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It is day 2, you have 30 hours and 30 minutes remaining.

18 players remain, 10 votes to lynch, 9 to go to night.

6 vote for rashan (telas, shadow, galain, tennes, meanas emurlahn)
1 vote for galain (rashan)
1 vote for meanas (korvalain)

Ending vote:

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9 vote for rashan (telas, shadow, galain, tennes, meanas emurlahn, fener, rashan, ruse)
1 vote for galain (rashan)
1 vote for meanas (korvalain)

Serc started out by voting with Rashan and Shadow.

He distanced himself after the lynch on Rashan gained steam ... and ultimately didn't vote against him.


EDIT: Note that I wasn't present for all of Day 2, and would've been happy if it had lasted longer only so that I could've voted Rashan, which is obvious from my posts during the preceding Night.

This post has been edited by Galayn Lord: 12 November 2008 - 10:45 PM

[Omtose]

Well... Rashan did, quite vehemently

ok, j/k

but seriously, Liosan is right: a fake reveal of that complexity that could SO easily backfire (someone could've claimed Vorax, or Powell, for instance)[that making it to implicate rashan when he was on his way to be lynched already, thanks to Galain] made ABSOLUTELY no sense

I am not going to question Tennes untill Rashan comes up non-ivet.
untill then, I can find nothing to justify his actions if he's lying.

EDIT: @ Serc, and added stuff in square brackets to make a coherent phrase.

This post has been edited by Omtose: 12 November 2008 - 10:46 PM

[Serc]

Read my posts for voting on Galain, Galayn, before you try a sweeping statement like that.
I voted him to see his reaction. As I said.

[Liosan]

Serc, on Nov 13 2008, 12:44 AM, said:

Read my posts for voting on Galain, Galayn, before you try a sweeping statement like that.
I voted him to see his reaction. As I said.

I can vote for you because I want an ice cream . Saying it hardly proves it

[Emurlahn]

Thats the way I see it as well, I reckon we have to lynch Rashan tomorrow just so we can move on.
Personally I can't see any reason at all for Tennes to make up a story about a dead pyschic finder dog , so I'm inclined to believe it although if Rashan does somehow come back innocent then I may have to consider him a bit more closely

[Galayn Lord]

Serc, on Nov 12 2008, 02:44 PM, said:

Read my posts for voting on Galain, Galayn, before you try a sweeping statement like that.
I voted him to see his reaction. As I said.

Oh, well that's completely different.


... no, wait, it's not.

[Omtose]

won't we all...
and then Serc will lord over us all saying "I told you so""

[Serc]

As I removed my vote immediately after his response, I think that should support it. As did my accusations towards him. They were completely ridiculous, you know.

[Mockra]

Id agree that some things about Tennes' reveal dont make perfect sense, but following the general rule of reveals, you lynch the revealed against, because if its true, you get CI, and if its not, you lynch the revealer.
I doubt anyone with a BP isn't going to have some decent role.
So either he's quinn, or a powerful role.
If he's a powerful role, with so many votes, why no counter-reveal, I know names aren't allowed, but he could have said something.

Oh, and my internetz is fucking up, so im not sure how frequently i'll manage to get on. Hopefully get it fixed, but this is the first time i've managed to get on since my last post, and ive been trying frequently enough.