[Omtose]

can't one of the dead people mod?

.... oh, right.....

[Rashan]

wait, dead people aint dead?
this makes no sense, how can they be allowed into spoiler heaven if they aint dead, or can be returned at some point?
If being dead doesnt mean you're dead, can I please be dead? it sounds more fun than listening to these fools line up for another wasted day.

[Mockra]

IIRC DiBs said something about there being 2 heavens, one will all the info for those out of the game, and one with not quite all the info. The "beyond".
Im guessing SH is being used as the beyond.

[Ruse]

Also, how would an insane finder work in a three sided game? Obviously not a simple reversal.

And Meanas and Galain were both 'safe' at the time that Tennes had revealed. Each had a vote from galain and shadow respectively. The two of them then removed their votes and placed them on rashan iirc. So if Tennes is screwing with us it seems his whole course of action seems illogical. There was no way he could have known you had a BP. Rashan would have died today, Tennes tomorrow. With four (max six, maybe 7) people dying in that time, neither ivet nor edenists would be close enough to victory to make the plan worthwhile.

[Rashan]

makes an insane amount of sense, but that would be fitting for the way things seem to be going

[Omtose]

dead people go into "the Beyond" (SH here)
there, they continue playing and may vote people ack into the game--they will "posess" the players currently playing here, a la FM--taking over their alt.

the posessed will play as a separate faction, their goal will be to achieve majority.

[Omtose]

oh, and there is a "real" SH, but it's on the temp forum, iirc

[Rashan]

hold the hell on, if the dead can posses the living ala FM, and they can win via majourity, surely once theres 12 dead people the game is a forgone conclusion?

[Gamelon]

Back from work after another long day. (Opportunity for people to accuse me of looking for sympathy and maybe the generic nab line).

Tried to read on my mobile but struggled to make sense of what was going on. People screeching various amounts of half words in my ears did not help this process. (What more sympathy?).

I will look back now but things seem exciting.

[Ruse]

Rashan, on Nov 12 2008, 08:52 PM, said:

hold the hell on, if the dead can posses the living ala FM, and they can win via majourity, surely once theres 12 dead people the game is a forgone conclusion?

we're pretty sure their are specific events/actions/something that allow the dead to come back. If every dead person immediately came back to life inside someone else, this game would be impossible for anyone but the dead to win.

[Omtose]

Rashan, on Nov 12 2008, 01:52 PM, said:

<br />hold the hell on, if the dead can posses the living ala FM, and they can win via majourity, surely once theres 12 dead people the game is a forgone conclusion?<br />

<br /><br /><br />

no
the dead vote other other dead people to return to the game from the Beyond--not like we get a mass exodus of posessions, might get 3-4 max in the entire game, I'd wager.
also, apparently some other conditions must be met for posession to work. what those are, DiBs only knows.



hmm
anyhow, it's lunch time. back in 40 mins or so.

EDIT; cross,-post, added quote for clarity

This post has been edited by Omtose: 12 November 2008 - 06:57 PM

[Tennes]

Rashan, on Nov 12 2008, 06:41 PM, said:

wait, dead people aint dead?
this makes no sense, how can they be allowed into spoiler heaven if they aint dead, or can be returned at some point?
If being dead doesnt mean you're dead, can I please be dead? it sounds more fun than listening to these fools line up for another wasted day.

Rashan, on Nov 12 2008, 06:52 PM, said:

hold the hell on, if the dead can posses the living ala FM, and they can win via majourity, surely once theres 12 dead people the game is a forgone conclusion?

Seriously in the first 6 to 10 pages of the game we were going over this. Did you not read any of that. Hmmmmm why would you need to if you knew that you were scum and just had to keep the attention away from yourself.

[Ruse]

hey, grief's reading this - get him to mod Or some random American. I want it to be day sometime tonight. Wait, what?

[Rashan]

I'm sorry tennes, are you being serious?
i was pissed as a fart for the most of the start of this game, so no, I dont recall much of the discussion, and I'll be damned if I'm going to go back and read through it now.
Me inseritng effort into this game is rather pointless since the world and its (deceased) dog have decided to continue to waste the towns precious time and hand the game to the scum.

[Thyrllan]

Ruse, on Nov 12 2008, 06:35 PM, said:

Ooh, a BP. And DiBs said the first few days would be simple.

So, people who have read the book, can you think of any 'good' guy who's character would translate into being a BP? Dont have to name names or go into details. Just a simple 'Yes there might be' will suffice.

Rashan seems the right mix of indignant, frustrated and slightly blase I would expect from an innocent. With a possible three/four kills a night, a BP or two would help balance the game. Thing is - would that extend to a day BP?

The other thing is that Tennes has pretty much staked his whole game on being an Ivet. Not 'I got this weird pm that says Rashan might be guilty', but 'Rashan is Ivet, and only an Ivet'. Now I see no reason why he would do that if he was anything other than innocent. If Rashan turns out to be anything other than Ivet, he'll obviously get lynched. If he's somehow a symp, it's a bit premature and unnecessary. So for now I'm inclined to believe him.

Yeah, for me, Tennes has completely drawn a line in the sand. If Rashan comes back inno, then Tennes has to die.

It makes no difference for me at this stage what bile Rashan wants to spit in my (or anyone else's) general direction, I will believe him if and only if his CF comes back inno. Until then I don't trust him and don't want him around.

[Galain]

I went to re-read Tennes' story and I honestly don't find a hole in there. And even assuming he's lying, then his timing/target don't make sense. I guess Rashan must be an Ivet, unless something very obscure is happening.

I was wondering why a killer would sound so confident and self-vote like that. A lynch BP explains it all. If that implies he's the Uber-Killer, i.e. Quinn, then that can explain the three kills of night 1:

1 - vig on D'riss
2 - killers' NK
3 - Poor ol'Woofie getting zapped for sniffing a scum-butt too big for him (i.e. triggered death, not decided by the killers)

This post has been edited by Galain: 12 November 2008 - 07:32 PM

[Thyrllan]

Yeah, right now that makes more sense to me than Tennes's entire reveal being a lie.

[Rashan]

of course its holeless, its protecting you.

I'm leaving now for the next two hours or so, but should night end in my absence and I survive, pleasse do me the courtesy of not l;ynching me before I return.
I'll pick a big hole in the story, Tennes shot the "dog"
Were I a BP killer I'd be, in a word, retarded to vote for myself in such a manner, why? because looks whats happening now, I'm for the chop tomorrow again, what was there to gain? I would have fought tooth and nail to keep my bp secret.
I honestly didnt know I was BP until that scene happened and I recieved a pm from path shaper about it.
I wanted to prove my innocence, dying was a sure fire way to do that, and drag you lying bastards down in my wake, but it wasnt to be, so now the scum have another n ight to go at it, another day under the radar because I will inevitably lynched again tomorrow in an attempt to clear the ones tracking me, but when that blows up in everyones faces, what have we got?
town down another rake of innocents, less numbers to play the numbers game with and a pretty clear shot for the scum to win it.

pah, rashon out

[Hood's Path]

Holy hell that was a lot to read. already night and I didn't even get to see day. Sleepy HP is sleepy. Though I was more inclined to vote meanas, It seems we have stumbled upon Quinn. If not, Tennes is a symp at worst. So we just wait for night actions, lynch Rashan again and see.... We are in trouble if another 3 NK's on Townies happens though. That would be 6 dead inno's and 2 possible cult converts. Leaving us with only about 10inno's left. 10 inno, 4, cult, 2 killers 6 dead and floating in the beyond.

Though I am inclined to agree with galain that the death of the scum sniffing puppy (dog bless him) was a triggered kill. Rashan being linked to out departed Ivet buddy certainly warrented enough suspicion to initiate a find. And if Tennes is telling the truth, then there should only be 1 nk (assuming no other vig)

EDIT BAH, all those alts that start with T.

This post has been edited by Hood's Path: 12 November 2008 - 07:56 PM

[Hood's Path]

Trying to look at all angles here, but unless Tennes has an unknown win condition, I see no reason for him to make up that story.

EDIT again to correct names

This post has been edited by Hood's Path: 12 November 2008 - 07:57 PM