[Ruse]

That sucked.

Anyway, what I picked up so far is the Serc is the painter. The PS interference in his posting confirms his reveal AFAIC(as far as I'm concerned).

Now for what he is saying, I think each of his picture posts are an interpretation of a provisional night order. Each one is a different order. Everything else so far today is bunk for the most part.

Meh I wiped out and need to get some sleep. Clock's stopped so I'm not too worried about posting today.

[Korvalain]

That does seem to be what's happening with Serc i agree. Now I'm wondering is if this is going to make people wary about giving in provisionals if they're likely to be posted via Serc's prediction skills. Another possibility is people using this by sending in fake provisionals to try and sound out the other players.

[Thyrllan]

Uh, sooooo ... this has more crap than even a usual Day One.


Seriously, it's almost entirely people speculating about roles and rules. That's it. Nobody even blundering around giving themselves away.

I'd be disappointed, except I've been busy enough today that I don't mind missing out, and only having time to skim - and besides, this just reaffirms my faith in completely useless Day Ones (with the except of games where someone intentionally flames out right off the bat, like a certain bar hopper whose alt I politely won't use).

[Mockra]

Omtose, on Oct 28 2008, 07:09 PM, said:

Finally, as said, Serc was angling for recruitment and named it 'the best play'. Those of us who have seen the series also know Isaac was an addict who got off drugs under company control, something Simone wanted, something he wanted, but he couldn't achieve by himself.
I think this could very well be an alternate victory condition being pursued by Serc here, but I might be tilting at windmills.

isnt one winning condition for the company to capture everyone?
I doubt this is then the case.

[Emurlahn]

Ah, good morning everyone

Mockra, on Oct 29 2008, 08:39 AM, said:

Omtose, on Oct 28 2008, 07:09 PM, said:

Finally, as said, Serc was angling for recruitment and named it 'the best play'. Those of us who have seen the series also know Isaac was an addict who got off drugs under company control, something Simone wanted, something he wanted, but he couldn't achieve by himself.
I think this could very well be an alternate victory condition being pursued by Serc here, but I might be tilting at windmills.

isnt one winning condition for the company to capture everyone?
I doubt this is then the case.

Tiss a good point

[Emurlahn]

Thyrllan, on Oct 29 2008, 04:17 AM, said:

Uh, sooooo ... this has more crap than even a usual Day One.


Seriously, it's almost entirely people speculating about roles and rules. That's it. Nobody even blundering around giving themselves away.

I'd be disappointed, except I've been busy enough today that I don't mind missing out, and only having time to skim - and besides, this just reaffirms my faith in completely useless Day Ones (with the except of games where someone intentionally flames out right off the bat, like a certain bar hopper whose alt I politely won't use).

I'd disagree quite vehemently with your statement here. There is much to be found within the day 1 discussions later in the game. People are more likely to blunder, to let something slip early before they've got the feel of the game and when people have more information they notice that.

As for this game, there's been quite a lot of interesting discussions. Serc has brought a lot forwards, there's been several discussions worth noting, especially the one between serc and Mockra, but also others. I don't think you benefit from just shruging off all these pages

[Omtose]

Yeah, everyone except I think (too lazy to read back) Claire, Peter, Sylar and Adam Monroe: basically, everyone we have reason to suspect is powered, but not aligned to Peter/Sylar/Company.

It was speculation, mainly based on Serc admitting he knew of one (likely) roleless inno (= Simone) who may have known him. This role doesn't really need a symp, I think, (at the least, can't understand why with the info we have now; the main danger is that either he is captured, or killed with or without a save and there's nothing a symp can do against that) so I went searching for possibilities, in the full knowledge that it could be farfetched.

Still, these unique victory conditions may be complimentary and help others achieve theirs. After all, there are only so many possibilities in the Mafia framework and Gem's done a great job so far of finding them all .
Normally, Isaac's own conditions would probably be overridden by the Company's if he joins them.

EDIT: meant as reply to Mockra.

This post has been edited by Omtose: 29 October 2008 - 08:41 AM

[Serc]

Meanas, on Oct 28 2008, 07:18 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on Oct 28 2008, 05:52 PM, said:

@Meanas - you never answered Serc regarding you wanting to lynch him I think. Are you a bit unwilling to partake in serious discussion?

I said I would vote him in a normal game. Who the hell blows a gasket like this just because of one vote, and an easily understood quote mistake?

i didnt blow a gasket and i didnt have a vote on me? what are you talking about? I voted for mockra who blew a gasket.

Meanas, on Oct 28 2008, 07:59 PM, said:

If you want to lynch someone just because they're neither Peter nor Sylar, lynch Serc

you dont seem to like the fact i painted the future, hit a nerve?

Meanas, on Oct 28 2008, 08:03 PM, said:

I'm off for the night, but now that I think of it I'm serious about the idea to lynch Serc

- We move the game forward
- We for sure don't end the game by lynching someone we shouldn't, specially on day 1 where there's little info to make a wise decision
- We eliminate the picture-thingy posts, which are disruptive at best and misleading at worst

Not bad, let's think of it if we're in a bind

Lynch me if you want, this proves two things to me, you are not sylar or peter. The fact is peter can only save someone if he knows who to save, therefore he would have a much easier time if he knew who people were targeting wouldnt he. Likewise sylar would be better off if he knew who peter was trying to save, as he could pick someone else. Lynching me makes me lose yeah, but the company is the only faction that benefits from it. The non aligned dont know if they are targetted for anything and cant figure out roles. Cause lets be honest here, you cant night action yourself, so everytime soemone puts in a night action i can tell who they arent and if i share that, which i didnt have to do, then i would be a reverse finder. I also know peoples roles now, yes i did get more paintings, but tbh i dont feel like sharing any more.

Lynch away meanas, because as far as i can tell my character and role are fucked. I cant discuss my paintings, i cant comment on my precog, the fact is its an ability that only benefiots others, if i try to vote for someone people will think its because i know something about them, if i dont vote someone same thing. i cant argue that we should lynch someone or people will think i am trying to block a factions actions, i am effectively nuetered

[Serc]

i have a good five paintings in me this morning, so its seems people aren't frightened of the future.

[Mockra]

Sorry guys...very busy today...hopefully will be more productive later on...

[Serc]

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[Serc]

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[Omtose]

You're not necessarily fucked, Serc.
You get the paintings (or maybe even the provisional), don't have to share. You can't comment on them, but you can do deductions for yourself and act on it (you'd be completely useless if you couldn't direct your own play upon the info you receive). You have 1 BP, so unless 2 killers target you, you're alive tomorrow.

I see only 1 party directly benefitting from your death by NK: Sylar.
Any other vig will just do it to clear himself for the future, which is a terrible but possibly necessary waste if you're a limited vig... If the Company is willing to take you out, they'll want the power away for good, which means a lynch (unless Elle can vig), as capture still can see you killed.

Lastly, there's Peter, and maybe other healers (Claire, Adam) who want you around, as it makes their saving abilities and targeting a bit/lot easier. If you're targeted for a kill, publish the painting. Simple as that.

Fact is, you've become the lynchpin through your reveal and your power. I think that you hold a pretty good bargaining chip with it, as those who want their actions to matter, stand to gain a lot through keeping you alive and paintin'.

But then, that's just me.

[Serc]

but i just paint it - i cant comment on them, but if i dont paint then although i know the stuff i still cant comment on it so i could make a few great cases right now because i KNOW who is a safe lynch, but i cant make cases on what i learn because i cant comment on it and if i paint some of the stuff i am told it will change. The company wont target me, cause they will lose the ability, aylar wont caus ei will tell peter, and peter wont cause he will go for whoever sylar is going for if i tell him.



screwed.

i mean i cant even comment ont he implications of the pictures.

[Serc]

edited to add time stamp - 5.27 28th oct

This post has been edited by Serc: 29 October 2008 - 12:09 PM

[Omtose]

You can't comment on our deductions of your paintings either, or the implications of our deductions? Even not by going for content, rather than saying 'right' or 'wrong'? Cause right now, it seems we'll base most of our decisions for a large part on what we see. You're fucked if you even can't do that...

That means you're gimped and basically became a non-entity who can't make cases and can't comment on cases, either
As for the paintings:

Mohinder drugs Omtose (at the least, that's what I see as winter) + shadow + Emurlahn.
Drug could also be cure, or sedate, or analyze genes (far fetched). Could also be: infect with the Shanti virus.
Sidenote: what the fuck, he can target 3 people?

Noah captures Thyrllan, Hiro investigates Thyrllan.
Seems they're going for the low posters...

[Omtose]

Oh, nice, the Darkness.

Sylar celeries Galain?

[Serc]

Omtose, on Oct 29 2008, 10:00 AM, said:

Noah captures Thyrllan, Hiro investigates Thyrllan.
Seems they're going for the low posters...

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[Mockra]

dear god this game is wacked

[Ruse]

is the fire one Liosan?