[Liosan]

I reckon we have around 10-12.

[D'riss]

Fair enough, I will concede that Mockra may actually know something.

Remove vote

As for lynch votes, I think Mockra has one on Emurlahn for today and thats about it.

[Liosan]

Well, since I suppose he's the only one who knows for certain whether or not hes telling the truth, thats reasonable enough.
I would however, ask that no one else votes until we've at least heard from emurlahn, because he could well reveal to serc he has a role, or something.
Unless of course, you have to go and will miss the deadline, or it becomes obvious he isnt going to come on( he said he'd be here tonight), etc.

[Omtose]

If Gem flat out said to Serc that targeting yourself is impossible (and don't forget, these go through the hands of the mod), even a simple provisional can't be made. He did however receive a PM in which Parkman targets Mockra according to him.

Now, I don't mind lynching Claire, although I do think it IS dangerous and would rather leave it to Sylar to kill her, whether he gains a BP or not through it (I guess Claire has 1 of her own, so it will take him some time), but I'm not inclined to do so on the evidence provided by a possible liar.

The reasoning is for me perfectly simple: if he lies about his own role and the way in which he gathered this knowledge, he could well lie about Emuhr's role too, and even if he did not, it might also be that he omits knowledge/ a personal goal in this lynch as well. No company guy spoke up against or considering his recruitment, but that might well be self-preversation.

Either the situation is solved by having Serc get back to us on the Parkman provisional and what was messed up there, or I suggest we test the validity of Mockra's reveal by lynching Parkman first.

After all, he's Company already, so he will win when they win, dead or no. He literally has nothing to lose here apart from active participation.
Better to lynch him first and learn by that if he tried to put us on a false trail. If he spoke true, we can lynch Emurlahn. If not, we can always reconsider.
But if we lynch emurlahn first, we can't undo stuff apart from lynching Mockra for being a liar, in which case we've lost 2 lynch opportunities.

More, Emur can also falsify the claim right now by sending in a provisional, if he can. But if he is somehow a roleless (Ando?), or someone with a cooldown on his ability or a one-shot ability that has been used, then he may not be able to.

[Liosan]

Actually, scrap that.
I would just ask that we dont hammer him before he has a chance to prove he has a role.

[D'riss]

Ok there are 7 of us on and I need to go in just under an hour, I hope the missing ones are catching up and Emurlahn is amongst them.

Edit: Cross post with Omtose and Liosan

This post has been edited by D'riss: 31 October 2008 - 09:13 PM

[Shadow]

not gonna lie, I DO have a problem with freezing at the day ends mark

Largely cuz I'm not a Euro, so the day, and GMT morning reveals/defences will be done while I'm asleep--doubly so, since due to the upcoming evening's festivities, I will be physically incapable of getting up before say noon tomorrow. which will be like GMT evening.

EDIT: I suspect i will be a very small minority though...

This post has been edited by Shadow: 31 October 2008 - 09:14 PM

[Omtose]

Vote Mockra.

For that's the easiest way to find out if he IS Parkman with the confused situation around the provisional.
If he is, I'm more than happy to lynch Emurlahn. If not, we didn't kill a possibly innocent bystander looking for a company straightjacket.

[Liosan]

Omtose, on Oct 31 2008, 09:09 PM, said:

If Gem flat out said to Serc that targeting yourself is impossible (and don't forget, these go through the hands of the mod), even a simple provisional can't be made. He did however receive a PM in which Parkman targets Mockra according to him.

Now, I don't mind lynching Claire, although I do think it IS dangerous and would rather leave it to Sylar to kill her, whether he gains a BP or not through it (I guess Claire has 1 of her own, so it will take him some time), but I'm not inclined to do so on the evidence provided by a possible liar.

The reasoning is for me perfectly simple: if he lies about his own role and the way in which he gathered this knowledge, he could well lie about Emuhr's role too, and even if he did not, it might also be that he omits knowledge/ a personal goal in this lynch as well. No company guy spoke up against or considering his recruitment, but that might well be self-preversation.

Either the situation is solved by having Serc get back to us on the Parkman provisional and what was messed up there, or I suggest we test the validity of Mockra's reveal by lynching Parkman first.

After all, he's Company already, so he will win when they win, dead or no. He literally has nothing to lose here apart from active participation.
Better to lynch him first and learn by that if he tried to put us on a false trail. If he spoke true, we can lynch Emurlahn. If not, we can always reconsider.
But if we lynch emurlahn first, we can't undo stuff apart from lynching Mockra for being a liar, in which case we've lost 2 lynch opportunities.

More, Emur can also falsify the claim right now by sending in a provisional, if he can. But if he is somehow a roleless (Ando?), or someone with a cooldown on his ability or a one-shot ability that has been used, then he may not be able to.

Ah, but if he claims a role that has already been used, or ando etc, and he lies, then someone will probably counter.
Or he could send in a provisional.

I doubt mockra is parkman, but look at his reveal.
He really had nothing to lose by doing nothing at that stage, so a fake-reveal etc would be pointless.
I choose to believe him about emu, cause I cant see why he would do it otherwise.

Personally I think he is someone who knows, who doesnt want us(or perhaps just one or two people) to know who he is.
If he knows, he probably has a role of his own.

Is it possible he could reveal this to serc, and serc could CI him? Or something.

Also, if there is a role that wins just by killing claire, I believe it would be unbalanced against sylar.
Hed have to take out this unknown, and peter, before also taking out claire? And he has no idea who they are?
Compare that to the others win conditions.

I dont think itd be so unbalanced against him.

[Liosan]

Omtose, on Oct 31 2008, 09:15 PM, said:

Vote Mockra.

For that's the easiest way to find out if he IS Parkman with the confused situation around the provisional.
If he is, I'm more than happy to lynch Emurlahn. If not, we didn't kill a possibly innocent bystander looking for a company straightjacket.

Actually, if Emurlahn shows up, and cant prove he can provisional, id say claire is a safe bet.

[Shadow]

ger... I wanna hear everyone speak b4 we lynch
last thing i want is to accidentally get Peter or Sylar lynched. I'd rather got to night again if we're not 100% sure on what's happening
and since I probably won't be on when Emur comes back to defend/reveal.. nad Serc said he'll be wasted most of the weekend, and we'll need him to possibly confirm Emur's story... I say we freeze this sometime now.

[Shadow]

Liosan, on Oct 31 2008, 05:18 PM, said:

Omtose, on Oct 31 2008, 09:15 PM, said:

Vote Mockra.

For that's the easiest way to find out if he IS Parkman with the confused situation around the provisional.
If he is, I'm more than happy to lynch Emurlahn. If not, we didn't kill a possibly innocent bystander looking for a company straightjacket.

Actually, if Emurlahn shows up, and cant prove he can provisional, id say claire is a safe bet.

Serc's gone for the night. he can't really prove it either way then, can he?

[Liosan]

Sylar is killing Isaac iirc.
That would mean, if we go to night, serc wont be able to confirm anything, unless he is saved.

Emu could be peter, but sylar targetted him.
And he doesnt really strike me as peter.
Just doesnt.

[Liosan]

If we go to night, Serc dies.
And then he cant prove anything.
And sylar gets our provisionals.
In short, I really dont think going to night is a good plan.
We should at least do something productive while serc still lives.

At the very least, we should lynch serc to deny sylar that power, as serc himself earlier suggested.

[Shadow]

sigh
that's why I'd rather we freese now, with like 12 hours left ont he clock
weekend's gonna be a mess for lots of people, since it's a holiday weekend, and it's the one holiday a year when beautiful girls try outdo each other in sluttiness, re: clothing and it's considered socially acceptable.

As such, I don't see why a freze now is a bad idea.

[Liosan]

Depending on what time serc gets back, he possibly could confirm.
If he's back pretty early(at least, for my time).

[Liosan]

No, freeze isnt a bad idea.
Just boring as hell, which I am opposed to.
I play for fun, win or lose, for fun. Weekend freezes really arent fun.

[Shadow]

lol, wouldn't count on it.
and I know for sure I won't be on when day times out, so you see my angle in this...

[Shadow]

Liosan, on Oct 31 2008, 05:26 PM, said:

No, freeze isnt a bad idea.
Just boring as hell, which I am opposed to.
I play for fun, win or lose, for fun. Weekend freezes really arent fun.

lol, I'll be around this weekend, and posting. just not around when day times out since that's roughly 5 AM in my parts. and I don'twant to miss this lynch, since it cpould be crucial.

but hey, like I said, I'm a small minority...

[D'riss]

I will agree going to night is a bad thing. We need to lynch and right now our options seem to be:

Serc, Mockra, Emurlahn

Mockra: I have no problem lynching Mockra, he lied to us about his reveal, so we have no idea what he is playing at.

Emurlahn: I think the Emurlahn is Claire thing is very thin, but I will vote here to get a lynch as we need a lynch and he is a pretty safe bet.

Serc: I do not want to lynch him, but I see the practicality of lynching him.

Ideally my first choice is Mockra, but it would appear that Liosan does not want Mockra lynched.