[Mockra]

Serc, on Oct 31 2008, 04:54 PM, said:

how do you know who claire is then if you arent noah and you didnt investigate her?

if emur isn't clair lynch me tomorrow. What does it matter anyways. Company have to recruit us to win now. Peter and sylar dont. Id rather put money on them since i could just end up losing by simple fact of being unaligned. Sorry emhur....* Shrugg*

[Mockra]

@emur... If i were company. Why would i know who you are on day 1. Especially if you are one of the guys company need to capture. Thats rather daft don't you think?

This post has been edited by Mockra: 31 October 2008 - 04:19 PM

[Liosan]

Well, I cant see any reason for him to lie unless he was peter and is sure emur is sylar. Except thats a massive risk, and how could he be so certain.
And emur doesnt really strike me as sylar, although that could explain his unwillingness to prove otherwise, I suppose.

[Liosan]

Serc, on Oct 31 2008, 10:54 AM, said:

+

Forgot this, emur cant be sylar.

[Mockra]

vote emurhlan serc... how am i supposed to prove i know who claire is throug a provisional?

[Korvalain]

As Serc can read your provisionals he'll be able to work out who you are, then he'll be able to figure out whether you're likely to know claire is what i'm thinking.
Although I don't think its a good idea one player basically knowing who everyone else is.

[Mockra]

Fine... Im mat i can read minds. In other words one pm from one player per day and one per night. Thats how i know who claire is. I wanted to wait but i was recruited by company last night aswell. So i cant use my power anymore. I can send in a pm but i doubt serc will receive it because im actually roleless as of this morning

[Liosan]

Hmm, well thats interesting.
I suppose that explains how you know, and assuming there's no counter-claim etc, im willing to believe that, my company friend

More worrying is that Serc either didnt know or didnt tell us about this.
If he didnt know, thats bad, cause it means he cant predict everything(which I suppose is more realistic, cause Isaac wasnt actually all knowing).
If hes holding it back, ims ure he has reasons.

[Mockra]

I can try sending in a pm to look at...lets say...liosan. Maybe you will still get the provisional even though i won't get the actual message. Who knows. But the lack of counter reveal and a positive CF result on emur should make you believe me i would think.

This post has been edited by Mockra: 31 October 2008 - 05:04 PM

[Mockra]

Yea i was a bit shocked when you said you where captured aswell. But it makes sense since how is company supposed to capture everyone if adam is dead with only one capture per night!

[Liosan]

2 captures seems a lot, but then considering that peter may gain powers etc.
Not only that, but I suspect peters recruits will learn who his masters are, whereas us company folk dont, so we have no way of knowing if we hit them or not.

This post has been edited by Liosan: 31 October 2008 - 05:16 PM

[Liosan]

Anyhow, im out for a while.
Back later.

[Mockra]

Im out... Need to charge my phone anyways

[Omtose]

@ Mockra:

You have a role that requires you to be alive while Claire is alive.
You're "sure as hell" not with Peter (who is probably the only other one with that condition).
You dodged the question on being Noah or knowing her identity... so how exactly do you know her and are allowed to give her identity away?
Noah is where I would put my money on your role... but then you would expected to be Company already and probably barred from capturing Claire.

"If Claire is killed, I need to be recruited for the win"
"Company have to recruit us now" true, but they don't give a fuck anymore whether Claire lives or not... she is no longer a part of their victory condition. The only reason they care for her wellbeing is to stave off Sylar from getting closer to his win. So why give her away day 2?
The Company needs time, both to lose unaligneds to Sylar and lynches, and to recruit the surviving powers. They can't win fast:

1) start with 4 (Noah, Haitian, Bob, Elle). Loses their first vc night 1, so need to recruit all except Peter, Sylar, Claire = 7 players.
2) night 1, recruit Liosan = 6 players left
3) lynch today = lynch Claire, 6 left, of which Ando certainly isn't a power,
4) night actions today: recruit 1, lose 1 to Sylar, 4 left.
5) repeat for tomorrow.

you need a vig to kill someone to win in 2 nights time.

This is only in the best case scenario that they don't, by accident, recruit Sylar or Claire, that they don't recruit Ando, that Sylar kills someone, that Peter saves no-one, that the Company started out with 4, that people don't have recruitproofs, that their capturer isn't killed/vigged.

Company strategy should be:
1) recruit all powers (and vig & lynch as many of them as they can to speed up),
2) then lynch Claire,
3) win.

The only safe way to play for time is for Sylar to be 2 kills away from victory and Peter still having to work for Claire's safety. Lynching Claire theoretically puts Sylar 1 kill away from victory, with several reveals already made so a couple of people he won't have to search amongst.
As long as Claire is alive, the company is the only one winning by increasing its size until it can take out Claire, but if Sylar lives, that taking out should be extended to make sure one lucky Peter kill will not give Sylar the win.

So much for me on the long game. If I oversee something, I'm happy to hear that.

"if I was company, why would I know Claire's identity?"

If you knew Claire's identity, why give it away? I know it would have bitten you day 1 since you would have aided the company, but why now... seems almost as if you want to do Sylar's killing of Claire for him? Better have him waste an action, I'd say, but you disagree. Why, Mockra?

I suspect ulterior motives, and I'd rather lynch you first, then Emurlahn, just to be certain that you don't have a role that requires Claire dead to win. A reveal would do, nicely, as well... and according to the above, it suits the Company better to lynch a power than to lynch Claire. After all, Claire can also be killed by Sylar when she is captured, or vigged in other ways, so why should we (= unaligneds who gamble on the company + the company's members + captives) do that? We don't have to lynch her. Yet.

EDIT: that was a crosspost with your matt reveal.

This post has been edited by Omtose: 31 October 2008 - 05:27 PM

[Omtose]

Crap, forget about all the above with 2 recruiters. I need to redo my maths.

[Korvalain]

Omtose, on Oct 31 2008, 05:26 PM, said:

1) start with 4 (Noah, Haitian, Bob, Elle). Loses their first vc night 1, so need to recruit all except Peter, Sylar, Claire = 7 players.
2) night 1, recruit Liosan = 6 players left
3) lynch today = lynch Claire, 6 left, of which Ando certainly isn't a power,
4) night actions today: recruit 1, lose 1 to Sylar, 4 left.
5) repeat for tomorrow.

you need a vig to kill someone to win in 2 nights time.

Actually I'd think that they would still need to capture Peter, Sylar and Claire as they have to capture all remaining people with powers don't they?

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 2. You have 15 hours and 30 minutes left.

There are 14 players alive. 8 votes to lynch, 7 for night.

1 vote for Emurlahn (Mockra)


Players that have not voted: Barghast, D'riss, Emurlahn, Fener, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Omtose, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Telas, Thyrrlan

[Omtose]

Rules:

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To win the company have to capture Peter Petrelli, Sylar, Claire Bennet and Adam Monroe - but they can still win if they capture all remaining heroes.

So it seems. Well, better wait with lynching Claire until after you've recruited Sylar, then.

[Liosan]

He has a point actually, about not needing to lynch claire.
Im happy to let sylar kill claire, except that it risks making him BP, and giving him a bit of time to find peter.
As he points out, sylar quite probably has a fair idea about who peter is, and may just be waiting for us to kill claire to win.
Peter may also have a fair idea about who sylar is,
Not sure I can see anyone else needing claire dead, as most of the people in the game except sylar seem to be try keep her alive in the show.

[Serc]

well no provisional from matt. also i dont think mockra is matt, in fact i think emur is matt. my role says i get all actions, the only evidence i missed one was a lack of ones from claire and peter, so unless thier abilities are different i thought they hadnt put any in. every other action i have got. i said yesterday i wasnt going to post everything, and i didnt, but i did paint when an action was different kind, stalk, kill etc. also some people chose no action. parkman investigated someone yesterday, dont have time to look it up, but i dont think it was emur and that never changed. also mockra wasnt subject to a recruitment or attention of anybody as far as i remember.


so mockra is lying about being matt, i think he is noah, though i doubt he is telling th truth about claire, it seems unreasonable that noah would know claire and have to hunt her.