[Macros]

retreat to ank

ETA : grief only has one avenue for retreat

This post has been edited by Macros: 20 February 2009 - 07:01 PM

[Imperial Historian]

Sorry guys, carnival interupted your regular schedule of updates. I'll force griefs retreat, next deadline Thursday 9pm.



DPY

[Arbitrator]

Still waiting on macros's orders to resolve, 24 hour extension.

[Macros]

sorry sorry, i thought mine were in.
2 seconds

[Arbitrator]

Afraid I collapsed before your orders were in, here's the resolve:

Austria:
F Adriatic Sea Supports A Trieste - Venice
F Aegean Sea Supports A Ankara - Constantinople
A Ankara - Constantinople (*Fails*)
A Galicia - Bohemia
F Ionian Sea, no move received
A Moscow Supports A Warsaw
A Serbia - Trieste
A Trieste - Venice
A Vienna - Tyrolia (*Fails*)
A Warsaw Supports A Galicia - Bohemia (*Fails*)

France:
F Baltic Sea Supports A Yorkshire - Denmark
F Belgium Supports A Holland
A Burgundy - Munich (*Fails*)
A Denmark - Kiel
F English Channel Hold
A Gascony Hold
A Holland Supports A Denmark - Kiel
F North Sea Convoys A Yorkshire - Denmark
A Ruhr Supports A Denmark - Kiel
A Yorkshire - Denmark

Germany:
F Barents Sea Supports A St Petersburg - Norway
F Helgoland Bight Supports A Kiel
A Kiel, no move received (*Disbanded*)
A Munich Supports A Kiel (*Cut*)
A Prussia - Berlin
A Silesia Supports A Prussia - Berlin
A St Petersburg - Norway
A Tyrolia Supports A Munich (*Cut*)

Italy:
F Constantinople Supports F Smyrna (*Cut*)
A Naples Hold
F Smyrna Supports F Constantinople
F Tunis - Ionian Sea (*Fails*)
A Venice Supports A Tyrolia (*Dislodged*)




DPY

Need a retreat from Italy, then:

Austria:
Build

France:
Build
Build
Build

Germany:
Remove
Remove
Remove

Deadline Monday 2nd March

[Macros]

army bud is my only option.
bah

[Tira]

Retreat to Rome please.

[Tapper]

F Brest
A Paris
A Marseilles.

please.

[Grief]

Remove bar, nwy, mun.

[Arbitrator]

DPY

Deadline: Wed Mar 4 9pm GMT

[Arbitrator]

Greif and Macros missed the deadline, 24 hour extension.

[Macros]

for fucksake.
I look like a fool once again.
sorry, it WON'T happen again.

sending now

[Arbitrator]

Ok new orders, grief has used up his lifelines, but since he looks to be commiting suicide I guess it doesn't matter (boo to suicide's by the way)

Austria:
F Adriatic Sea - Ionian Sea (*Bounce*)
F Aegean Sea Supports A Ankara - Constantinople
A Ankara - Constantinople (*Fails*)
A Bohemia - Munich
A Budapest - Rumania
F Ionian Sea - Greece
A Moscow - St Petersburg
A Trieste - Venice (*Fails*)
A Venice - Tuscany (*Bounce*)
A Vienna - Bohemia
A Warsaw - Ukraine

France:
F Baltic Sea Supports A Kiel - Berlin
F Belgium - North Sea
F Brest - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Burgundy - Munich (*Fails*)
A Denmark - Kiel
F English Channel Supports F Belgium - North Sea
A Gascony - Marseilles
A Holland Supports A Denmark - Kiel
A Kiel - Berlin
A Marseilles - Piedmont
F North Sea - Norway
A Paris - Brest
A Ruhr Supports A Burgundy - Munich

Germany:
A Berlin Supports A Bohemia - Munich (*Dislodged*)
F Helgoland Bight - Kiel (*Fails*)
A Silesia Supports A Bohemia - Munich
A Tyrolia Supports A Bohemia - Munich

Italy:
F Constantinople Supports F Smyrna (*Cut*)
A Naples Hold
A Rome - Tuscany (*Bounce*)
F Smyrna Supports F Constantinople
F Tunis - Ionian Sea (*Bounce*)
Austria:
F Adriatic Sea - Ionian Sea (*Bounce*)
F Aegean Sea Supports A Ankara - Constantinople
A Ankara - Constantinople (*Fails*)
A Bohemia - Munich
A Budapest - Rumania
F Ionian Sea - Greece
A Moscow - St Petersburg
A Trieste - Venice (*Fails*)
A Venice - Tuscany (*Bounce*)
A Vienna - Bohemia
A Warsaw - Ukraine

France:
F Baltic Sea Supports A Kiel - Berlin
F Belgium - North Sea
F Brest - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Burgundy - Munich (*Fails*)
A Denmark - Kiel
F English Channel Supports F Belgium - North Sea
A Gascony - Marseilles
A Holland Supports A Denmark - Kiel
A Kiel - Berlin
A Marseilles - Piedmont
F North Sea - Norway
A Paris - Brest
A Ruhr Supports A Burgundy - Munich

Germany:
A Berlin Supports A Bohemia - Munich (*Dislodged*)
F Helgoland Bight - Kiel (*Fails*)
A Silesia Supports A Bohemia - Munich
A Tyrolia Supports A Bohemia - Munich

Italy:
F Constantinople Supports F Smyrna (*Cut*)
A Naples Hold
A Rome - Tuscany (*Bounce*)
F Smyrna Supports F Constantinople
F Tunis - Ionian Sea (*Bounce*)

I'm too tired to get the pictures up, but grief has to retreat from berlin, and he can only retreat to prussia so I'm forcing it to speed things up.

Next deadline Monday 9pm GMT

DPY

[Tapper]

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Germany:
A Berlin Supports A Bohemia - Munich (*Dislodged*)
F Helgoland Bight - Kiel (*Fails*)
A Silesia Supports A Bohemia - Munich
A Tyrolia Supports A Bohemia - Munich

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Austria:
A Bohemia - Munich

Seriously, what? This is a German suicide and frankly, for me, it goes against the spirit of the game. You play to win, failing that, you play to survive. If you don't want to play anymore, don't submit moves, at least you give everyone an equal opportunity then.

Dkt & Tira in this game and Gavin in 2.0 (for nearly 5 months!) have spent entire games with 5 or less units and no prospect whatsoever of getting more supply centres, let alone a shot at victory yet they were/are soldiering on, and here it's thrown away, having a very serious impact on the game and its result. Why?

[Imperial Historian]

I completely agree, I was a bit pissed off when I read them, especially since he lasted most of dip 2 without submitting a move or suiciding.

Unfortunately it is a legitamate tactic, as the knowledge that a player is willing to suicide may affect future judgements of whether to stab them. It still sucks though.

Threatening to suicide to try and gain a lifeline in a tricky situation... entirely appropriate, kept me alive in 2.0

[Macros]

its a legitimate tactic, and just deserts for betrayal

[Tapper]

Macros, on Mar 7 2009, 02:12 PM, said:

its a legitimate tactic, and just deserts for betrayal

Not questioning the legitimacy, just the spirit of it - in the end, Dip has only 1 winner or a winning coalition, a few survivors and a couple of people not on the board. Suiciding is losing.

As for just repayment of betrayal... maybe Dealing, wheeling and stabbing is all explicitly a part of the game as well, after all.

[Macros]

every bit of advice I've recieved for diplomacy has rung of the same "tell the truth as much a possible"

[Tapper]

Macros, on Mar 7 2009, 09:06 PM, said:

every bit of advice I've recieved for diplomacy has rung of the same "tell the truth as much a possible"

Yes, that's one approach. But, if you ever play it live: it's 'seize the advantage when you see it, if you don't, someone else will - usually your enemy'.
It's a dog-eat-dog world there, especially if you play it with people who know you well. If you read some of the tournament reports and anecdotes & strategies over at the diplomatic pouch, you'll see that it's stab or be stabbed there.

In every game I played here apart from this one (so that leaves the 2 speed games ) I've been open and honest, but since Tira is also a RL player, I decided to go for the opportunistic approach here and know that at least 1 player would not be mad at me - btw, it's not so much lying, but more breaking an agreement when its conditions were no longer were in my favour - and of course, if I'm treacherous, I expect the same of my opponents .

I must say, I was only strengthened in that idea being the right one for this game by the agreements my good inexperienced German neighbour tried to make with me

So in all honesty: yes, I played like a lying and cheating bastard. I was wondering where it would get me in online play. It definately works well when you control the timing, and I was able to do that in all of my stabs.

[Mentalist]

it may hurt your long-term reputation for any future games, though