[Jump Around]

Back, and at work.

One thing I remembered, and I'm sure others do too without me digging up the quote:

Vengeance's "I'll never change my vote from Lace" comment. People were saying "why would a killer say something like this and bring attention on himself?

Well, it's perfect killer play. Three scenarios:

1) We lynch Lace, he comes up inno (I guess). Venge goes "ooh, what humility lesson " and that's that. He had the first vote, and never really pushed the lynch, so if the lynch would have happened it would have been "someone else's fault"

2) We lynch someone else. Now he can just stay silent, and that's that. He doesn't get into end-of-day lynch pressure because of his convictions, and he was never proven wrong.

3) We lynch no-one. Perfect for the killers, and if we missed a few votes he can say "last time I changed and I got pressure, now I refused to and I still get pressure, boo-hoo I can't win with you guys "


If anything, it makes his out-of-nowhere vote for Obdigore more absurd and suspicious, last time I checked Lace is still alive.

This post has been edited by Jump Around: 23 October 2008 - 06:17 AM

[Jump Around]

Path-Shaper, on Oct 23 2008, 08:59 AM, said:

JA, you must unvote in order to vote Obdigore.

Oh FFS...

remove vote
vote Obdigore

[Jump Around]

Silencer, on Oct 23 2008, 09:04 AM, said:

JA, I happened to be on then. I wasn't going to be on for ages after that. Hence, I voted. I genuinely forgot to vote. So shoot me. (Or lynch....)

And now you're voting for Obdi....I see you making shit up in those last couple of posts...and I'm thinking, "Hey! I'll post saying that he's pushing me, so everbody should lynch him tomorrow when I turn up inno!" - and then you vote Obdi? I think YOU are distancing. You're just doing in in the guise of making Venge freak out. He also just said he wouldn't be around for a while.

When is the "then" you talk about?

I make up shit? Precise. You don't have to go far for the quotes, it's right there.

[Gavin]

Silencer, on Oct 23 2008, 02:04 PM, said:

JA, I happened to be on then. I wasn't going to be on for ages after that. Hence, I voted. I genuinely forgot to vote. So shoot me. (Or lynch....)

And now you're voting for Obdi....I see you making shit up in those last couple of posts...and I'm thinking, "Hey! I'll post saying that he's pushing me, so everbody should lynch him tomorrow when I turn up inno!" - and then you vote Obdi? I think YOU are distancing. You're just doing in in the guise of making Venge freak out. He also just said he wouldn't be around for a while.

I am willing to take a long hard look at a JA case, the problem I have at the moment is I think he and Dkt are both innocent. Really they have provided alibi's for each other basically, and with Dkts posting as you go approach I find it hard to believe they orchestrated it. Not impossible, just not the most likely option. Also both have kept their noses pretty clean and haven't done anything I'd call suspicious. Its quite hard to pick whose evil, whose innocent and whose making rookie mistakes, so I find it easier and more likely to go with Dkt and JA as both innocent.

[Silencer]

When JA and Dkt BOTH haven't done something suspicious, that makes you think they're inno? Strange.

Also, JA, I was referring to the quote you made about you "calling me" on when I hadn't voted Tapper.

[The Dude]

OK here is some Obdi fodder: Please note that before I started this quote train there were about 15 Day 1 joke posts. Many involving the Lynch JA/Venge?Dibs variety.

Obdigore, on Oct 20 2008, 07:39 AM, said:

I am here.

I have not read up. Will be attempting to do that you flipping spammers.

Obdigore, on Oct 20 2008, 12:31 PM, said:

Spam Spam wham diddly spam.

Honestly, there isn't a solid case at all at this point, and I'm not sure I want to vote for any of the people being brought forward since almost none of them have any defenders.

I skimmed what I missed (all 30 or so pages), and found nothing super-out-there, so I suppose I should read again more deeply, but I can't do it right now.

So we know he hates Spam...so do I.

Obdigore, on Oct 20 2008, 12:46 PM, said:

Gem Windcaster, on Oct 20 2008, 02:34 PM, said:

Thank heavens for the pros... (<--that's not sarcastic by the way - I better be clear from now on.)



Edit: grammar

Was that at me, wo-man?

Don't make me shatter your disco-pony!

Obdigore, on Oct 20 2008, 12:58 PM, said:

Gem Windcaster, on Oct 20 2008, 02:53 PM, said:

mocker, on Oct 20 2008, 07:51 PM, said:

haha thats genius!

sounds better than heaven, as it has one-up-man-ship as a standard!

fantastic

I never heard the expression one-up-man-ship - what does that mean?

It is having to be better than the previous poster.

"I'm a user!"
"Well I'm a mod!"
"oh yea, well I'm an admin, so there!"

and so on.

Fixed.

He Hates the Spam yet...... He seems to be doing it.

Obdigore, on Oct 20 2008, 01:00 PM, said:

Ahem, can anyone point me towards Morgy's defense on DIBs' case against him?

Obdigore, on Oct 20 2008, 01:14 PM, said:

Ok, some thoughts on the Morgy/Dibs issue.

DIBs has a point that Morgy has been doing funky things, but he always does. Morgy has a point that DIBs is like a dog on a jugular, he is not relenting, and ignoring everything else. But he always does. That is DIBS' style of inno play, which leads me AWAY from both of those two, because they are both innos trying to figure out HOW the other is a killer.

I'm going to go find the case on Lace now, post numbers about where that one is?

PS - if these are the quality of all the "cases", which is what I gathered from my skimming, I think we should kill JA while he sleeps and be done with it.

A little content, but basically all he says is what all the other vets know... Dibs is being Dibs, Morgy is being Morgy. Also, the second time he has asked for a case number. Not sure that means anything but there ya go.

Obdigore, on Oct 20 2008, 01:22 PM, said:

Lisheo 150
drinksinbars 90
Lacedaemonian 81
Tapper 79
Vengeance 78
Jump Around 74
Morgoth 72
Gem Windcaster 67
mocker 63
dktorode 52
The Dude 47
Obdigore 35
J_Slr 27
baudin 23
Yellow 22
Silencer 21
Gavin 17



And what have we here? Let me go look at Gavins', Silencers', Yellows', and Baudins' posts.

SO here he posts Post Count and wants to look at low posters...are you serious?!?!
He is 6th lowest and 75% of those are Spam Spam Wham Diddly Spam. If you need verification of this just search his first 25 posts. I am not going to quote them all. Suffice it to say, he does finger JA ...a lot. I mention this for a reason I will show in a second.

[Gavin]

Silencer, on Oct 23 2008, 02:24 PM, said:

When JA and Dkt BOTH haven't done something suspicious, that makes you think they're inno? Strange.

Also, JA, I was referring to the quote you made about you "calling me" on when I hadn't voted Tapper.

Neither have done something suspicious yes.
Also because they have both been posting with comments similiar that show they're thinking along the same lines. Option 1 is they are both innocent.
Option 2 is JA posts, then Dkt rereads figures out what JA has been saying, then pretends to do his post as he reads method making sure to make similiar sort of posts as JA.

I just find Option 1 is more likely so I am going with it. If its Option 2, then well played to them.

[The Dude]

Obdigore, on Oct 20 2008, 01:28 PM, said:

Lisheo, on Oct 20 2008, 03:26 PM, said:

Hmmm have we stumbled onto something unusual here? I did say the killers would want to get rid of the more experienced members while they lay low... Have we got someone trying to start a train for reasons that aren't very nice?

Now Now Lisheo, the next poster having less than 2/3rds of your total posts can be seen as suspicious too.

This is interesting Lisheo thinks they are taking out the experienced ppl while laying low, obdi immediately rejects it and throws it back at Lish. Lish turned out to be very very correct.

Obdigore, on Oct 20 2008, 01:37 PM, said:

From Gavin:

Quote

Well looks to me the case on Morgoth is because he has sent a message to spoilers? If thats the case and it apparently, then thats gayer than a night out with Dibs.

Whats worse people are jumping on it. Come on people seriously we're voting people for sending messages to Spoilers? While Morgy has come across as a bit dodge still don't think its a case for voting on.

Since night is upon us soon and I need to go...
Vote Alt146

For being a little suspicious before and now just jumping on any bandwagon that looks like it might be the lynch.

Then he goes to bed. And he shows up the next day with this

Quote

Ok I'm here. So J_slr was the kill and people actually lynched Alt. Interesting, I find it rather strange, I put a vote on Alt for jumping on a weak Morgoth case and
then suddenly everyone else jumped on Alt as well with hardly any reasoning at all, seemed they wanted to start a train.

Lisheo has been very lynch happy, I know he's a noob and all, but I'm wondering about letting people get away with the noob card and all on us. I'm pretty sure I need to reread Gem as well, something about her struck me yesterday, will go back and do that.

Gavin then made a case against Gem, which I am not going to re-post because it is long and empty.

Gavin then did some brown-nosing with JA, and pointed out that that JA isn't playing as he normally does.

And his vote post from 3.5 hours ago

Quote

Well I am done for the day. Not sure what to make off Venges defence there but he's created some doubt for me.
Since i'm not around for the lynch and I was tossing up between Gem and Venge I guess I'll have to vote Gem. She didn't really seem to try or care about defending herself.

Vote Gem

I don't really see much there, either for him being innocent or guilty. I do see him saying JA isn't being his normal self, then later he brown-noses up. If this was a cult game I would think we had found a recruit.

More Crap thrown JA's way... Hoping it will stick... its not day 1 anymore. its not a joke anymore.

Obdigore, on Oct 20 2008, 02:08 PM, said:

At this point I would be willing to vote for, in order:

Gavin
Lace
Yellow


It appears the only one in there that is going to get any kind of votes is Lace, so that is where I am going to place my vote.

Quote

Vote Lacedaemonian

.

BTW - Gem the case against you is that you post, but don't "contribute". If you do keep that up I would be willing to vote for you tomorrow.

Obdigore, on Oct 20 2008, 02:55 PM, said:

Ahem.

Vote Lacedaemon

Yes I did mean to vote up there, but I'm not going to change it.

Im leaving work and won't be back for a couple hours I don't think, and so will mis the day time-out.

I don't really like the case against Lace either, but he has the most out of hte people I am willing to vote for and that is why my vote is there.

Who do we know that has a Vendetta against Lace?

Obdigore, on Oct 21 2008, 11:15 AM, said:

Old Yeller is about, look out!

La La La - Tell me JA, from 1-10, 1 being inno, 10 being scummiest of the scummy, where am I on the weasal scum-detectormatic?

Thought this was interesting. Gauging where you stand against the one you have been subtly trying to vote off?

Obdigore, on Oct 22 2008, 07:05 AM, said:

Or we can just lynch JA so he can join his boytoy Morgy in spoiler heaven.

And Back to the JA attempts. Thats every day that he has suggested a JA lynch.

Obdigore, on Oct 22 2008, 09:37 AM, said:

Jump Around, on Oct 22 2008, 11:35 AM, said:

Vengeance, on Oct 22 2008, 07:31 PM, said:

If you turn up scum then I won't have been screwing my team. Plus JA is still alive and that is his job.

Oh you mofo...

For the record I am called "Weasel" because I tend to screw the team I'm not with.

So you are going to screw team inno, and you screw the team you are not with?

Only one conlcusion:

DISCO-EVIL

Just more kill JA fodder. Obdi why don't you make a case and try to take him out if he is evil?

Obdigore, on Oct 22 2008, 12:09 PM, said:

This way I have mentioned everyone in the game as being on the list.

Fear me, mortals, for you cannot escape the all-knowing Discogore.

Bah... at this point I will vote for nearly anyone, but I think it would tickle my fancy to lynch Lacy today.

This quote just creeps me out like the puppet master

So i know this sounds like I am symping JA... whatever. I think Obdi is a killer, not a symp. Thats why I am voting him. I think that all the kills thus far have shown a veteran touch. The subtle joke by killing Gem, Getting rid of Dibs when he was just getting going. No more yellow because he wasn't going to make a case on Lace. There is some masterful work going on here. I am going to

vote obdigore

for these reasons. If he isn't the killer I don't know what to do as I don't think Venge is a killer. But whatever. we are getting down to the nitty gritty and I think a Veteran is playing with the field.

This post has been edited by The Dude: 23 October 2008 - 06:52 AM

[The Dude]

OK, going to bed. Hopefully back before night.

[Jump Around]

I have to admit me making a case on Vengeance and voting Obdi for "calling a bluff" is a bit hot-blooded, but on the re-read I think they are together.

Making a case on Obdigore, like The Dude found out, comes back to one word: spam.

To answer Gavin's question earlier: no, Vengeance and Obdi never interacted, even though they are on very similar time zones. Obdi is the spammer-killer, Vengeance is a bit more out-there, but made many suspicious moves. Neither can be excused as they are experienced and I have seen them play infinitely stronger games than that, if they are inno (which I seriously don't think they are)

[Jump Around]

Sorry, at work it's not as easy to make full-quotes cases, but to continue with one:

So, day 2, no lynch. What happened day 3?

Here is the last vote count before the lynch (Gavin eventually hammered Morgy:)

Path-Shaper, on Oct 22 2008, 01:12 PM, said:

its day 3, theres about 50 minutes left

8 to lynch, 7 to night
7 votes Morgoth (Lacedaemonian, Yellow, Tapper, Silencer, Baudin, Jump Around, DK)
3 votes for Silencer (Lisheo, Morgoth, The Dude)
1 vote for Lisheo (Obdigore)

Both Vengeance and Obdigore had left for their sleep, knowing very well that they wouldn't be back before end-of-day.

Where is Vengeance's vote? Nowhere. He knew what he was doing, basically ensuring he would not be lynching an inno, and post probably would prevent any lynch to happen.

Where is Obdi's vote? On Lisheo, for "symping me". He keeps saying I'm Disco-Evil, Lisheo votes like me and after, thus must be my symp. He places the vote on Lisheo because of that. Now, we can discuss whether someone voting like another player quickly after is a symp, but one thing for sure: if you place a vote on a player saying he's a symp as your only case, you know that guy won't get lynched. I mean, who wants to lynch a symp? And why the hell would Obdigore leave for night leaving his vote on a potential symp, alone on his train? I mean, why?? Come on, that's not "inno" play, I just can't see it.

This post has been edited by Jump Around: 23 October 2008 - 07:30 AM

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4, 8 hours, 10 minutes left
11 people still getting down: Baudin, Dktorode, Gavin, Jump Around, Lacedaemonian, Lisheo, Mocker, Obdigore, Silencer, The Dude, Vengence

6 votes for lynch, 5 votes for night

1 vote Lacedaemon: Obdi
3 vote Silencer: Lace, Lisheo, Mocker
1 vote JA: Silencer
3 vote Obdigore: Vengeance, JA, The Dude

Not voted : Baudin, Dktorode ,Gavin

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 23 October 2008 - 07:53 AM

[Jump Around]

Silencer, on Oct 23 2008, 09:24 AM, said:

When JA and Dkt BOTH haven't done something suspicious, that makes you think they're inno? Strange.

Also, JA, I was referring to the quote you made about you "calling me" on when I hadn't voted Tapper.

OK, how is that "making up shit"? Did you not say "let's lynch Tapper" without voting him?

Whether or not that's what killers do, is open to discussion. But I didn't make this up. So are you dismissing my whole case on Venge and Obdi because of this?

You also said

Quote

I think YOU are distancing. You're just doing in in the guise of making Venge freak out. He also just said he wouldn't be around for a while.

I want to freak Venge out by voting my killer partner? That's a new one. And about Venge not being there, that's the reason I didn't push too hard before, we are far apart. It served him well so far, he completely ignored what was told about him once he showed up. Whatever.

edit: and anyways, they should be back easily before end of day (unless of course they decide to lurk). I'm not asking for a speed-lynch, just making my case when I have time to do so.

This post has been edited by Jump Around: 23 October 2008 - 07:59 AM

[dktorode]

fresh from my fucking assistant asking me to help her setup up her new computer in the office. FUCKKK....
Can you fucking believe it!!!
Plus i hate setting up windows, and networking is a CUNT.

Ive been on my all fours for the past hour putting in wires and pulling out shit whilst i can hear this woman having a long fucking chat with this pregnant slapper that answers the fucking phones.
Jesus...i could have been catching up on the thread, these people (if you can call them that) dont realise if have shit to DO...
Goddamn hippies...SETUP YOUR OWN MACHINE....and if you are not able, dont fucking ask me, i dont want to hear it. Ask one one the bloody sales staff. They are useless anyway.

i feel better now

[Jump Around]

hahaha

[dktorode]

The Dude, on Oct 23 2008, 12:57 AM, said:

WITH FRIKIN LACE ALL OVER MORG's dick!!! and one extra inno down and back in the same boat we were yesterday. My initial reaction was that DKT seemed to kind of over react after Lish wouldn't hammer... the more I think about the scummier it seems. But I don't think he's symping JA, maybe someone that missed the silencer train. I will go back and look tonight. I am on the train home now and this literally took 15 minutes to post.

So you think we should have not lynched then?...if it was scummy to get upset when someone refuses to to put the hammer on the only possible lynch and we have 10min left PLUS it would be the second night in a row without a lynch.
Then lynch me now im major scum....bah

The way i see it is lish was too much of a pussy to drop the hammer. Only killers have a reason to be a pussy.

[dktorode]

Jump Around, on Oct 23 2008, 09:04 AM, said:

I have to admit me making a case on Vengeance and voting Obdi for "calling a bluff" is a bit hot-blooded, but on the re-read I think they are together.

Making a case on Obdigore, like The Dude found out, comes back to one word: spam.

To answer Gavin's question earlier: no, Vengeance and Obdi never interacted, even though they are on very similar time zones. Obdi is the spammer-killer, Vengeance is a bit more out-there, but made many suspicious moves. Neither can be excused as they are experienced and I have seen them play infinitely stronger games than that, if they are inno (which I seriously don't think they are)

So should we rather vote Venge?

His vote on Obdi is
a. distancing from obdi
b. Taking attention away from silencer
c. a genuine vote

In both scenario A and B Venge is the common denominator.
In fact Silencer just blasted your theory even though it means less heat on himself by us voting for Obdi, Mayeb silencer is the symp?
I still say the most common denominator here would be venge.

Silencer had a block on his train yesterday, and it would seem that there is somewhat of a block on his train today aswell.
So...i am thinking Vengence, obdigore and Silencer as very likely being scum.

edit....fucking smileys

This post has been edited by dktorode: 23 October 2008 - 08:54 AM

[Silencer]

No, JA, I'm not saying that was making shit up. I'm saying you making something out of my "fast reaction" is shit. As I said, I was online. I forgot to vote. You're making it out like I jumped - scared that I'd get too much heat.

Anyway, my computer is screwed tonight. So I'll be off until tomorrow.

I can see you deliberately not getting my points here, JA. Sure, they may not be the clearest pieces of communication I've ever done, but now you're just playing dumb.

[Jump Around]

Silencer, on Oct 23 2008, 11:58 AM, said:

No, JA, I'm not saying that was making shit up. I'm saying you making something out of my "fast reaction" is shit. As I said, I was online. I forgot to vote. You're making it out like I jumped - scared that I'd get too much heat.

Anyway, my computer is screwed tonight. So I'll be off until tomorrow.

I can see you deliberately not getting my points here, JA. Sure, they may not be the clearest pieces of communication I've ever done, but now you're just playing dumb.

OK, *hugs Silencer*

Now, what do you think of my case on ObdiVenge?

[dktorode]

Silencer, on Oct 23 2008, 08:04 AM, said:

And now you're voting for Obdi....I see you making shit up in those last couple of posts...and I'm thinking, "Hey! I'll post saying that he's pushing me, so everbody should lynch him tomorrow when I turn up inno!" - and then you vote Obdi? I think YOU are distancing. You're just doing in in the guise of making Venge freak out. He also just said he wouldn't be around for a while.

this is what he thinks....