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dktorode, on Oct 21 2008, 02:05 PM, said:

Tapper, on Oct 21 2008, 02:04 PM, said:

dktorode, on Oct 21 2008, 12:57 PM, said:

Ive never known neat vodka to be flammable (unless it was heated up considerably)

Molotov cocktail?

erm...i believe thats petroleum

That explains Tapper's aborted Student Revolution for Catnip Legalization back in '99

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drinksinbars, on Oct 21 2008, 01:49 PM, said:

if she is inno, morgo is guilty

Path-Shaper, on Oct 21 2008, 01:49 PM, said:

Gem Wincaster (Tennes) is dead. She was innocent.
DrinksinBars (Gamelon) is dead. He was innocent.

Morgoth, on Oct 21 2008, 01:51 PM, said:

ah well. Off to work for me

You have to admit that these three back-to-back post make for quite a story

[dktorode]

Tapper, on Oct 21 2008, 02:06 PM, said:

dktorode, on Oct 21 2008, 01:05 PM, said:

Tapper, on Oct 21 2008, 02:04 PM, said:

dktorode, on Oct 21 2008, 12:57 PM, said:

Ive never known neat vodka to be flammable (unless it was heated up considerably)

Molotov cocktail?

erm...i believe thats petroleum

but you wouldn't find petroleum in a disco

Wouldnt you?....stroh rum ran my beatle once!

[Tapper]

Jump Around, on Oct 21 2008, 01:09 PM, said:

drinksinbars, on Oct 21 2008, 01:49 PM, said:

if she is inno, morgo is guilty

Path-Shaper, on Oct 21 2008, 01:49 PM, said:

Gem Wincaster (Tennes) is dead. She was innocent.
DrinksinBars (Gamelon) is dead. He was innocent.

Morgoth, on Oct 21 2008, 01:51 PM, said:

ah well. It's been a good night's work for me

You have to admit that these three back-to-back post make for quite a story

Fixed.

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I would like also to put a discordant opinion: I, for one, am not 100% convinced that Gem was vigged and dibs was NKed.

I do think it's very probable, but if you think the opposite, you have the scenario we mentioned a few times that if Gem is inno, then X is inno. If this reasoning was false and X is a killer and Gem did turn out to be inno, then NK her would have caused a shock that may have released the pression on X.

I'm just saying in case. Why dibs would have been vigged, in that scenario, is not so obvious, but who knows.

[Tapper]

dktorode, on Oct 21 2008, 01:12 PM, said:

Tapper, on Oct 21 2008, 02:06 PM, said:

dktorode, on Oct 21 2008, 01:05 PM, said:

Tapper, on Oct 21 2008, 02:04 PM, said:

dktorode, on Oct 21 2008, 12:57 PM, said:

Ive never known neat vodka to be flammable (unless it was heated up considerably)

Molotov cocktail?

erm...i believe thats petroleum

but you wouldn't find petroleum in a disco

Wouldnt you?....stroh rum ran my beatle once!

I never figured Paul McCartney ran on petrol. Always thought he'd go for the green alternative.

Tapper, making very bad jokes since 1981.

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Tapper, on Oct 21 2008, 02:15 PM, said:

Tapper, making very bad jokes since 1981.

yes, we all remember your first one, which was "FFRRRLLSZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZBLBLBLBLBLBBLBLBLB"

[Tapper]

Jump Around, on Oct 21 2008, 01:14 PM, said:

I would like also to put a discordant opinion: I, for one, am not 100% convinced that Gem was vigged and dibs was NKed.

I do think it's very probable, but if you think the opposite, you have the scenario we mentioned a few times that if Gem is inno, then X is inno. If this reasoning was false and X is a killer and Gem did turn out to be inno, then NK her would have caused a shock that may have released the pression on X.

I'm just saying in case. Why dibs would have been vigged, in that scenario, is not so obvious, but who knows.

Nice thought, and worth pursuing as an alternative.

[Tapper]

Jump Around, on Oct 21 2008, 01:16 PM, said:

Tapper, on Oct 21 2008, 02:15 PM, said:

Tapper, making very bad jokes since 1981.

yes, we all remember your first one, which was "FFRRRLLSZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZBLBLBLBLBLBBLBLBLB"

Damn, you were around then?

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Tapper, on Oct 21 2008, 02:16 PM, said:

Jump Around, on Oct 21 2008, 01:14 PM, said:

I would like also to put a discordant opinion: I, for one, am not 100% convinced that Gem was vigged and dibs was NKed.

I do think it's very probable, but if you think the opposite, you have the scenario we mentioned a few times that if Gem is inno, then X is inno. If this reasoning was false and X is a killer and Gem did turn out to be inno, then NK her would have caused a shock that may have released the pression on X.

I'm just saying in case. Why dibs would have been vigged, in that scenario, is not so obvious, but who knows.

Nice thought, and worth pursuing as an alternative.

Actually, I went back, and it was "If Gem is guilty, Tapper is guilty", and now Gem is dead and inno.

Convenient, veeeery convenient....

[Tapper]

Yeah. It would be. As said, worth pursuing.
Still, why a vig on DiBs then? That's the harder part of the question.

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Anyways, that's a bit farfetched, but if it turns out that we get the proof that DIBs was the one that was vigged, I'll come back to that.

For now I'm not certain. Thanks for the vig and the CF on Gem, if that's what it was, I should do a re-read on why the hell it was so hard to get her lynched if she was inno (no offense meant to anyone).

It hurts me that despite my list with his big name on top, and the fact I'm feeling he's oozing guilt, I believe that Obdi is a symp and I won't vote for him.

I could come back to Vengeance, but it didn't do much in the last few days.

This post has been edited by Jump Around: 21 October 2008 - 11:23 AM

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Jump Around, on Oct 21 2008, 01:18 PM, said:

Tapper, on Oct 21 2008, 02:16 PM, said:

Jump Around, on Oct 21 2008, 01:14 PM, said:

I would like also to put a discordant opinion: I, for one, am not 100% convinced that Gem was vigged and dibs was NKed.

I do think it's very probable, but if you think the opposite, you have the scenario we mentioned a few times that if Gem is inno, then X is inno. If this reasoning was false and X is a killer and Gem did turn out to be inno, then NK her would have caused a shock that may have released the pression on X.

I'm just saying in case. Why dibs would have been vigged, in that scenario, is not so obvious, but who knows.

Nice thought, and worth pursuing as an alternative.

Actually, I went back, and it was "If Gem is guilty, Tapper is guilty", and now Gem is dead and inno.

Convenient, veeeery convenient....

Also... Gem inno could mean she's my symp. So, if X is guilty then Y is guilty =/= if X is innocent, then Y is innocent. Just saying, to keep all options open.

EDIT: added the last line.

This post has been edited by Tapper: 21 October 2008 - 11:28 AM

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Jump Around, on Oct 21 2008, 02:14 PM, said:

I would like also to put a discordant opinion: I, for one, am not 100% convinced that Gem was vigged and dibs was NKed.

I do think it's very probable, but if you think the opposite, you have the scenario we mentioned a few times that if Gem is inno, then X is inno. If this reasoning was false and X is a killer and Gem did turn out to be inno, then NK her would have caused a shock that may have released the pression on X.

I'm just saying in case. Why dibs would have been vigged, in that scenario, is not so obvious, but who knows.

Zactly why im thinking the vig should now step forward, afterall he's now just a worthless roleless inno, the only negative we have is that the killers have a target that is definitely not there symp. But i think it would give us a better picture, so we know what really happened and we know were to go from here.

[Tapper]

Part of the reason why Gem couldn't be lynched is probably the deadline. You and dkt were offline by then and your votes left on Venge, where you would have switched them normally. DiBs seemed fairly convinced Gem should have died, but his vote was left on Morgoth and he was offline, too. Phones didn't work, either.

So, there was a lot less switching of votes to come to a lynch. I'm sure that if DiBs had made his '3x4 votes and Gem is pivotal' post, that more people would have changed to her. Bad luck that it didn't happen, mostly.

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I really can't wait to see the gif scene

Path-Shaper, on Oct 21 2008, 01:49 PM, said:

The two stumble shrieking into the middle of the dance floor and proceed to do a legendary couple's boogie said to have been lost since that fateful night all those Discos ago.

I mean, COME ON!



OK, so Gem was inno. There has been pressure on people who refused to finish her and forced us in a day without lynch. Obdigore tried to revive a dead horse Lace train, which I found suspicious. Why not finish Gem then if she was inno? Same applies to the rest.

I think the Gem train was already scum-heavy and they didn't want to go all in with the inno CF coming. Also, leaving Gem around would have kept the idea that Gem might be guilty, and we would have discussed that for another wasted day, plus it adds pressure to those who are "attached" to her, i.e. would be her symps and such. Without the vig (I guess), that would have worked.

So: - I think there was one (few?) guilty on the failed Gem train, but not all since they knew she would come up inno and put pressure on the voters, they were hoping the innos would finish her.
- I wonder who had to gain by keeping the possibility that Gem was guilty one more day at least.


EDIT: here is the Gem train at the end of the night, for completion:

4 Votes Gem: Silencer, Yellow, Gavin, Morgoth

This post has been edited by Jump Around: 21 October 2008 - 12:01 PM

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Like I said, if these four are innos, then why wouldn't the scum put a quick, easy vote on Gem and tip the scale for the lynch. Then they would be hidden in the middle of other innos. Keeping her alive was good confusion, but still, getting an inno lynched if it's safe can't be bad for them, it brings them closer to victory.

Thus, I don't think it was "safe". I think one of the killers is in this quatuor.

That builds up to a lot on Morgoth, maybe I'll switch to him today after all, with those willing to vote him yesterday maybe this time we can get the lynch.

I'm also tempted to push a lynch on Silencer, sometimes I see him posting and I assume he's modding, so scarce he has been in this game.

This post has been edited by Jump Around: 21 October 2008 - 12:04 PM

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Jump Around, on Oct 21 2008, 01:58 PM, said:

I really can't wait to see the gif scene

Path-Shaper, on Oct 21 2008, 01:49 PM, said:

The two stumble shrieking into the middle of the dance floor and proceed to do a legendary couple's boogie said to have been lost since that fateful night all those Discos ago.

I mean, COME ON!



OK, so Gem was inno. There has been pressure on people who refused to finish her and forced us in a day without lynch. Obdigore tried to revive a dead horse Lace train, which I found suspicious. Why not finish Gem then if she was inno? Same applies to the rest.

I think the Gem train was already scum-heavy and they didn't want to go all in with the inno CF coming. Also, leaving Gem around would have kept the idea that Gem might be guilty, and we would have discussed that for another wasted day, plus it adds pressure to those who are "attached" to her, i.e. would be her symps and such. Without the vig (I guess), that would have worked.

So: - I think there was one (few?) guilty on the failed Gem train, but not all since they knew she would come up inno and put pressure on the voters, they were hoping the innos would finish her.
- I wonder who had to gain by keeping the possibility that Gem was guilty one more day at least.


EDIT: here is the Gem train at the end of the night, for completion:

4 Votes Gem: Silencer, Yellow, Gavin, Morgoth

Just for clarification:

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I think the Gem train was already scum-heavy and they didn't want to go all in with the inno CF coming. Also, leaving Gem around would have kept the idea that Gem might be guilty, and we would have discussed that for another wasted day, plus it adds pressure to those who are "attached" to her, i.e. would be her symps and such. Without the vig (I guess), that would have worked.

Bolded part: you mean DiBs here, right? Or them killing Gem? There is no way they could have known Gem would be vigged this night if she's the one vigged, after all.

[Tapper]

answered by your second post.

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Yeah, I realize it didn't come out as clear as I meant, that's why I clarified