[Silencer]

That's the same game I played every other game too.

And you're so sure of dkt? Are you his lover? Do you have proof? Or is it a gut instinct? Because otherwise I say you don't know he's inno...you know he's a killer.
And people will say "why would JA say that then", and I'll say "to sow the seeds of doubt"

[Jump Around]

dktorode revealed that he vigged Tapper.

No-one argued. Now, unless everyone caught a serious case of the dumb, then I think it's safe to say he's telling the truth.

The only way he could be lying is if it was Yellow who vigged Tapper. That would be insanely lucky of dktorode, and why would he take this ridiculous chance? It's not like he was about to get lynched and had nothing to lose...


edit: most of Silencer's posts are reactions to the ones right above his. I'm wondering if he's even bothering to catch up with the thread when he comes back

This post has been edited by Jump Around: 24 October 2008 - 06:17 AM

[Silencer]

I am, JA. Don't worry. Notice the point I made earlier about Lace's thing with the "killers have left us weak inno's"?

I wonder if JA is reading my posts as closely as he should? Or is he being relaxed, because he is a killer?

[Jump Around]

Silencer, on Oct 24 2008, 09:19 AM, said:

I am, JA. Don't worry. Notice the point I made earlier about Lace's thing with the "killers have left us weak inno's"?

I wonder if JA is reading my posts as closely as he should? Or is he being relaxed, because he is a killer?

...

Oy. Where's dktorode? We have a tough day coming and we need to find a killer.

[Silencer]

What? Need your back-up, JA?

[Jump Around]

Since when is this game a game of "trust"?

Silencer decided he doesn't trust the Weasel, so he will say the opposite of everything I say. Fuck, READ what I say before.

You guys make me laugh with your fears of getting sheeped. I never fear that, why? This game is NOT about who you trust, it's about reading what is written.

Everything I post is related to things happening on thread, so why would anyone need to "trust" me on anything? Did I reveal secret knowledge I don't want to share, but trust me I'm right? I did this as an experiment in the Pompei game, we had a 3-death lynch, it was awesome. But this is a normal game. Did we lynch Vengeance because I said "trust me?"

The new players can see this: how do you know who to trust? The question is: why trust anyone? Read what everyone says, agree or not, see if it fits, if it is consistent with the players actions, etc., and act accordingly.

Silencer, you and others play your game on following the players you "trust" instead of reading what they say. That's why when we have alts it's so fun to walk you around. Like Morgoth always try to say: read and think for yourself.

Don't contradict everything I say just because it's me, that last dktorode example was damned pathetic.

[The Dude]

I'm back. A little tipsy, but hey... who isn't. JA you had me until Mocker.... You presented cases. did a good job of refuting everything, but Mocker??? You have mentioned him maybe twice in 2346 posts. And now when we get down to a critical vote you go to not obdi, not silencer, not lace...but mocker?!?! with no back up. I find this very odd. Not saying guilt but, it doesn't seem very well thought out.

[The Dude]

Also, for those still looking at Dkt, you have to make certain logic leaps.... He claimed vig with no counters.... we have to assume he is VPI if not CI.... we should look at this as a boon since he is one of the strongest players out there. if he is scum.... I will go down as one of the noobiest of noobs in the history of noobly noobs. And my hats off to you DKT.

[The Dude]

Silencer, on Oct 23 2008, 09:10 PM, said:

Well, at least I didn't miss much of the day yet.

And I'm pleased to see you guys didn't lynch me.

Now....I think the easiest thing to do from here is lynch JA. Why? If he isn't a killer, then you're going to lynch me, and probably Obdi too, in which case the game will basically be over. If you lynch me, JA is going to basically own the game with no-one really talking about him.

One thing that's interesting, Lace said that the killers have left us with a bunch of weak inno's. This isn't true. We've technically got some of the strongest players still alive - dkt, JA, Obdi, etc.
So, what makes him think this? Because JA and dkt haven't been playing their normal, over-the-top games. Neither has Obdi...but he hasn't been quite as cruising as the other two.

The way I see it:
JA
dkt
Obdi
Lace

Therein lies the killers. And therein lies the order of the lynching. If one of those four isn't a killer...I'll eat my internet-hat.

Silencer... I really don't know what's up with you.... you had me thinking scum, then inno, then scum...now more scum. You say the easiest thing to do is lynch JA... if we lynch JA and he is inno, the game is over. (unless we got lucky and got a symp). And then in your final paragraph you threw in all the remaining strong players (minus yourself...and Baudin(still think its you two)). So maybe you thought we got a symp and have to keep playing, well best thing for us weak players to do is vote off the stronger ones.... DKT is pretty much as CI as you can get. Like I said, I am staking my game on that. I am willing to make that assumption. (god I bet SH is laughing at me right now) but he is number 2 on your list. Something stinks, and its not just my sweaty disco socks.

[Jump Around]

The Dude, on Oct 24 2008, 09:54 AM, said:

I'm back. A little tipsy, but hey... who isn't. JA you had me until Mocker.... You presented cases. did a good job of refuting everything, but Mocker??? You have mentioned him maybe twice in 2346 posts. And now when we get down to a critical vote you go to not obdi, not silencer, not lace...but mocker?!?! with no back up. I find this very odd. Not saying guilt but, it doesn't seem very well thought out.

I made it clear I would switch to Obdigore and Silencer anytime during the day, specially if the leads of the new players don't go anywhere.

Yeah, I didn't make a full case, whatever. I don't have that energy to waste. Obdigore's defense yesterday was "he's weasel, ignore everything he says!" and it worked. What we need is someone neutral to make a good case, that's why I was calling to dktorode.

Not Obdigore, of course, he's most probably guilty. If he was inno, he would have had the decency to recognize that the points about his game so far are true and that he try better from now on, and not dismiss the case on him and the votes purely on "EvilWeasel mind--bending capacities".

Silencer, I don't think he plans to do anything this game, like last time he was a killer.

Mocker is my candidate, though, if a new player is guilty. Like I said, he had stayed out of every important moment of the game, there's a line between "not wanting to do anything stupid to make the innos lose on your first game" and "not wanting to do anything stupid to make the killers lose on your first game", and mocker has crossed it.

[Silencer]

JA, I am reading.

I base who I vote for on what I interpret as you're motives. They are only possible motives, yes, but that is based on what you post, your actions...you can't trust ANYTHING in this game. As a killer, have I ever made a slip? Do you make slips? No. A killer can play almost perfectly as an innocent. So. You have to read between the lines. Not just what is posted.

I can't speak for you, but this game ain't a book to me. You can't just read it. You have to assume some things, you have to risk some things. Hell, half the 'cases' are bullshit, as evinced by the fact that we always lynch more inno's than killers. We get lucky on the killers.

The one thing that a killer doesn't want to do, is lynch their own. Same as a symp. Sure, they WILL. But that doesn't mean they want to. I've said I'd be willing to vote Obdi, I just find you, and your play this game, and your interaction with dkt, to be suspect right now.
If you are guilty, we lynch dkt. If you are innocent, we lynch me. That means we lose two innocents, true, but I doubt that you are inno.

And yet you jump around on the voting. You make a case on 3 people. You SAY that you find Obdi and me the most suspicious, that you are FAIRLY SURE one of us is scum...and vote for the third? Does that mean you think that person is more likely to be scum?

[The Dude]

I see you are reading Gavin.... send me a ghostly ,message and give me guidance!!! I kid, I kid.

[Silencer]

Cross with JA.

And I have said that I will vote Obdi. However, I find you more appealing as a possible killer.

[The Dude]

Well the problem I see here is that the people with the 2 best avatars are fighting. Lets just hug and make up... *looks for who is holding the gasoline*

[dktorode]

Lacedaemonian, on Oct 23 2008, 06:49 PM, said:

dktorode, on Oct 23 2008, 05:40 PM, said:

Bah...im outs here.

Would appreciate a healer healing me tonight...
Who knows the killer might even be brave enough to try me.


sowing the seeds of doubt into the killers mind is just marvelous ...aint it?

Sewing the seeds of doubt.

erm...yeah sewing...

If your going to be doing that for every spelling mistake of mine your on for a massive undertaking my friend

[Jump Around]

Silencer, on Oct 24 2008, 10:07 AM, said:

Cross with JA.

And I have said that I will vote Obdi. However, I find you more appealing as a possible killer.

When will you vote Obdi? Yesterday you fleed when he had three votes, and never came back.

And you find me appealing as a killer? Why? You don't make a case, so it's either because you trust someone else, or because you don't trust me. There you go, despite what you say, it's all about trust.

[Silencer]

My laptop was crashing. YOU try posting when that happens. Sheesh.

And, depending on how long in the day left, I'll vote before I go to bed, or tomorrow morning.

As for you, I have made a case. I think you and dkt are playing too nice, and I think you are doing the exact OPPOPSITE of what you normally do. Now, that could be due to the un-altedness, or that could be due to you being an un-alted killer. The friendliness with dkt, coupled with the strange voting choices, makes me think you're a killer.

And YOU are trusting dkt. YOU are trusting that he is, in fact, a vig. So stop harping on about trust, already.

[The Dude]

Jump Around, on Oct 23 2008, 10:20 PM, said:

As for today:

Obdigore is a killer, I'm even more sure than yesterday. Silencer, a little less since Vengeance was inno.

If Vengeance was a symp, he could have voted Obdigore to derail Silencer's lynch, or to dissociate from him. Notice he removed his vote when they wre accumulating (even saying he wouldn't), then claimed that Obdi because "inno" in his eyes

But anyways, dktorode is right, enough slack to the noobs. If we were alted, I would have harassed them more than I did, that's for sure. So let's play a game and imagine I don't know it's their first game. Here they are, in my eyes, in order of scumminess, from least to most:

1) The Dude. New or not, he played a good game. I don't remember him saying or doing anything suspect, inno in my eyes.

2) Lisheo. Lots of posts, with content. Not "original" content, lots of agreeing or disagreeing, but at least I remember his opinions on most of what was happening, and he never hid. A few suspicious acts, like vote-hopping and refusing to finish Morgoth. (unalted game note: for his first game, if he's getting the highest post count while being a killer, he is a fucking force of evil that needs to be hunted in future games. As it stands, it reminds me of Grief's first game, he's posting a lot, having fun, enjoying the power of lynching the rest of the poor suckas )

edit: he could still be a symp, though, just getting inno lynches for his masters. That's not a difficult strategy to come up with in your first game, and explains the relaxed way he's playing and the fun he's having

3) Baudin. Strange game he played, in between being around and not. I see two cases made on him, by Vengeance and The Dude, and I like them. He might be a killer

4) Lace. He raised many hairs since the start, and that has nothing to do with being new. That's my problem with him, and the reason I voted him earlier: new or not, his game doesn't sound inno. Then again, it doesn't sound killer that I know, but then again, maybe he's a new breed. I would vote for him today happily.

5) Mocker. Well, he's playing the classical killer game, new or not: laying low, many lol posts, asking lots of questions, asking others what we should do, laying low in intense moments. All this, however, I have seen in new player playing inno, which is why I didn't raise it before. But if we are to look in new directions and look somewhere else, my choice would be him.

So, assuming Obdigore and Silencer are not scum (which is highly improbable)

vote Mocker

JA why don't you vote obdi then If you are so sure? Also, you state mocker is doing all the things you have seen new players do when playing inno... But you just randomly put him at the top of your because you want to look in new directions? He is doing everything a noob would do, but... you want to look in a new directions. Your #2 suspect you seem much more unsure about, yet he is #2 to a person that is playing like an inno. AND your #3 person is someone who you said might be a killer... you have thought about it... but you are going to vote for the person who, according to you has acted as new players play acting inno. Granted, I suspected Mocker for a bit... but he is very new, he could have helped hammer on day 2 but didn't. Hell, he wasn't even here on day three. Not saying you are scum but I don't like your logic for your vote.

In your favor though, and this is very meta and might be in bad taste... think I read this on the forums somewhere, so if it is I will remove it if you let me know. Clearly mocker is roled. good or bad. he is roled.

Man I need to sleep.

[The Dude]

@ Silencer, are you doubting that DKT is a vig? maybe I am to trusting.... but the real vig would have come forward right???

[dktorode]

mocker, on Oct 23 2008, 11:37 PM, said:

DK btw is that the wizard offa those diskworld point n click games? its been buggin me lol i no ive seen it before!!

that would be Rincewind