[Vengeance]

dktorode, on Oct 23 2008, 08:53 AM, said:

Vengeance, on Oct 23 2008, 03:49 PM, said:

dktorode, on Oct 23 2008, 08:43 AM, said:

Vengeance, on Oct 23 2008, 03:40 PM, said:

Jump Around, on Oct 23 2008, 04:46 AM, said:

I agree the altless setting changes many things.

Dibs kept saying that I was playing a "simple game", that because I was a roleless inno, I was "lost" (i.e. borderline useless). Whatever, what I did is make sure that, being altless, being an "experienced player" in a game with so many new ones, that I would play the best, cleanest game I could for my team and not act like an ass to get myself lynched for nothing (and god knows I've felt the love).

Obdi and Venge are either killers or playing a horrible inno game, and yes, the case might be less strong if we had alts, and I might have chosen different targets for my cases, but I made my effort, and they didn't. If they are inno, it's their fault.

Ok my day 1 and 2 games were miserable I admit. However my 3 day hasn't been that horrible. Obdi has not been playing his usual game and the more I thought about it the stranger it was. He hasn't gotten involved in anything really and has just been really quiet...

and Silencer?
He's not been much different.

Yes but silencer has had pressure on him several times. When I placed my vote on obdi nobody had really voted for him. Now he hasn't responded yet to the 4 votes that he has on him. So lets see what he has to say if anything.


Don't think that I haven't noticed that you haven't had very many votes on you Dkt...

I wouldn't say silencer has had any pressure on him.
He had votes, but he wasnt around and barely even answered to the trin on him, wich seemed to fizzle out.
He even had players like tapper defending him. Tapper came up inno but that doesnt mean he couldnt have been a symp.

Now you seem to be defending him, starting with the vote on obdi, and now you still dont really want to say anything bad about the guy.
Have you even looked at, spoken about, or to silencer at all?

edit - double word

I would be fine lynching silencer. What is there to say? I voted on obdi before I went to bed cause no one has looked at him. I didn't have time to go through all of his posts and make a case. Didn't have to Cause other people were willing to do it for me.

[Jump Around]

Obdigore, on Oct 23 2008, 05:02 PM, said:

I did not call Lisheo your symp, I said he jumped on any kind of train at any point. Doing whatever he thinks the general thought is so he blends in. He has the most posts, and almost the least game content.

I made a case on Gavin and just some thoughts on Lisheo, neither got commented on, and frankly I'm not sure of much at all right now, beyond the fact that you seem to be trying to railroad me based on the fact that I haven't said much to Veng and you think Veng is a killer...

You made a case on Gavin or you just said at some point "Gavin is hard to read..." ?

My case on you has nothing to do about Venge, only that I looked at you becasue of the Venge vote (ironically)

Read my case on you, the Dude's, and my comments about your voting so far.


edit: I'm going home, be back soon

This post has been edited by Jump Around: 23 October 2008 - 02:05 PM

[Obdigore]

You are right, I have not been on any trains on innos, I have defended those I thought inno, I have done some spam, and I have presented cases and thoughts which have been ignored.

Guess I should be hung for that.

If you people really think I am guilty, hang me. I mean we have 2nks every night and an inno dying daily, let the evil team railroad this lynch into a win.

And JA, just for the record, if your case on me has nothing to do with Veng, why is he quoted throughout your case on me, and one of the big things is that I have not attacked him and he had not attacked me until his vote early in this day?

Honestly, lie more.

[dktorode]

Vengeance, on Oct 23 2008, 04:03 PM, said:

I would be fine lynching silencer. What is there to say? I voted on obdi before I went to bed cause no one has looked at him. I didn't have time to go through all of his posts and make a case. Didn't have to Cause other people were willing to do it for me.

yea you say that now after we called you distancing bluff...

[dktorode]

Obdigore, on Oct 23 2008, 04:10 PM, said:

You are right, I have not been on any trains on innos, I have defended those I thought inno, I have done some spam, and I have presented cases and thoughts which have been ignored.

Guess I should be hung for that.

If you people really think I am guilty, hang me. I mean we have 2nks every night and an inno dying daily, let the evil team railroad this lynch into a win.

And JA, just for the record, if your case on me has nothing to do with Veng, why is he quoted throughout your case on me, and one of the big things is that I have not attacked him and he had not attacked me until his vote early in this day?

Honestly, lie more.

Why dont you vote for venge then...ill change to venge if you do...

[dktorode]

Or even silencer for that mater....obdi if you trully are innocent, surely a vote vore silencer or Venge is better than lisheo right now.
Because its gonna be one of you three as far as im concerned.



edit spelling

This post has been edited by dktorode: 23 October 2008 - 02:19 PM

[Obdigore]

dktorode, on Oct 23 2008, 09:12 AM, said:

Obdigore, on Oct 23 2008, 04:10 PM, said:

You are right, I have not been on any trains on innos, I have defended those I thought inno, I have done some spam, and I have presented cases and thoughts which have been ignored.

Guess I should be hung for that.

If you people really think I am guilty, hang me. I mean we have 2nks every night and an inno dying daily, let the evil team railroad this lynch into a win.

And JA, just for the record, if your case on me has nothing to do with Veng, why is he quoted throughout your case on me, and one of the big things is that I have not attacked him and he had not attacked me until his vote early in this day?

Honestly, lie more.

Why dont you vote for venge then...ill change to venge if you do...

Because if JA is willing to vote off Veng, then I don't want to vote for him at this time. I am going to go look at some stuff of JA's, with the_dude possibly symping him, but If I make a case on JA it will just be ignored as WIFOM.

Fire Drill (yes, seriously) Attention: Attention: Emergecny reported in this Building. Please cease operations and evacuate. Do not use Elevators, repeat, do not use Elevators.

[dktorode]

Obdigore, on Oct 23 2008, 04:18 PM, said:

dktorode, on Oct 23 2008, 09:12 AM, said:

Obdigore, on Oct 23 2008, 04:10 PM, said:

You are right, I have not been on any trains on innos, I have defended those I thought inno, I have done some spam, and I have presented cases and thoughts which have been ignored.

Guess I should be hung for that.

If you people really think I am guilty, hang me. I mean we have 2nks every night and an inno dying daily, let the evil team railroad this lynch into a win.

And JA, just for the record, if your case on me has nothing to do with Veng, why is he quoted throughout your case on me, and one of the big things is that I have not attacked him and he had not attacked me until his vote early in this day?

Honestly, lie more.

Why dont you vote for venge then...ill change to venge if you do...

Because if JA is willing to vote off Veng, then I don't want to vote for him at this time. I am going to go look at some stuff of JA's, with the_dude possibly symping him, but If I make a case on JA it will just be ignored as WIFOM.

Fire Drill (yes, seriously) Attention: Attention: Emergecny reported in this Building. Please cease operations and evacuate. Do not use Elevators, repeat, do not use Elevators.

please do not use cell phones either i suppose.

That answer is such horse shit, there is not going to be a lynch on anyone other than Obdi, silencer or Vengeance. Im not voting any other way today, there is soemthing here i can feel it. And your refusal to vote make me sure you are a symp.
So obdi pick one or play like you have always been playing...and that is in the background listening to elevator music.
Go ahead...as you were, place a vote on a nobody that no one will even consider lynching....again.

This post has been edited by dktorode: 23 October 2008 - 02:24 PM

[Jump Around]

Back (I live across the street )

So, Obdigore, you made cases? Where? Is this your case on Gavin you brag about:

Obdigore, on Oct 20 2008, 11:37 PM, said:

From Gavin:

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Well looks to me the case on Morgoth is because he has sent a message to spoilers? If thats the case and it apparently, then thats gayer than a night out with Dibs.

Whats worse people are jumping on it. Come on people seriously we're voting people for sending messages to Spoilers? While Morgy has come across as a bit dodge still don't think its a case for voting on.

Since night is upon us soon and I need to go...
Vote Alt146

For being a little suspicious before and now just jumping on any bandwagon that looks like it might be the lynch.

Then he goes to bed. And he shows up the next day with this

Quote

Ok I'm here. So J_slr was the kill and people actually lynched Alt. Interesting, I find it rather strange, I put a vote on Alt for jumping on a weak Morgoth case and
then suddenly everyone else jumped on Alt as well with hardly any reasoning at all, seemed they wanted to start a train.

Lisheo has been very lynch happy, I know he's a noob and all, but I'm wondering about letting people get away with the noob card and all on us. I'm pretty sure I need to reread Gem as well, something about her struck me yesterday, will go back and do that.

Gavin then made a case against Gem, which I am not going to re-post because it is long and empty.

Gavin then did some brown-nosing with JA, and pointed out that that JA isn't playing as he normally does.

And his vote post from 3.5 hours ago

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Well I am done for the day. Not sure what to make off Venges defence there but he's created some doubt for me.
Since i'm not around for the lynch and I was tossing up between Gem and Venge I guess I'll have to vote Gem. She didn't really seem to try or care about defending herself.

Vote Gem

I don't really see much there, either for him being innocent or guilty. I do see him saying JA isn't being his normal self, then later he brown-noses up. If this was a cult game I would think we had found a recruit.

Where's the vote then? If you don't believe in your own case, then why should we comment on them?

I don't find anything else, please quote yourself if you did.

And you don't want to read my case on Vengeance because he's afraid of evilWeasel mind-bending arguments that will affect your poor self? Give me a break.

Silencer refused to look at Obdigore when the votes appeared, he went "gnagnagna" and split
Obigore refuses to go for Vengeance even to save himself.
Vengeance is willing to sacrifice either one but then again he might be bluffing.

[Jump Around]

I have to say that based on their responses and reactions, I would prefer Obdi to Vengeance right now.

Vengeance plays like the option 3 people mentioned, i.e. his vote on Obdi was honest.

Obdi, I don't know what he's playing, but he's freaking out seriously.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4, 1 hour 30 minutes left
11 people still getting down: Baudin, Dktorode, Gavin, Jump Around, Lacedaemonian, Lisheo, Mocker, Obdigore, Silencer, The Dude, Vengence

6 votes for lynch, 5 votes for night

1 vote Lacedaemon: Obdi
3 vote Silencer: Lace, Lisheo, Mocker
1 vote JA: Silencer
4 vote Obdigore: Vengeance, JA, The Dude, DKt

Not voted : Baudin, Gavin

[Lisheo]

Yeah, Obdi doesn't seem to be able to deal with the pressure. At least Veng was on one train, and has contributed something. Obdi has just been lying low. Fot that:
Remove vote
Vote Obdi
Silencer gets a vote from me tomorrow, though, depending on how this goes.

[dktorode]

Jump Around, on Oct 23 2008, 04:27 PM, said:

I have to say that based on their responses and reactions, I would prefer Obdi to Vengeance right now.

Vengeance plays like the option 3 people mentioned, i.e. his vote on Obdi was honest.

Obdi, I don't know what he's playing, but he's freaking out seriously.

but why not want to vote venge?

I think venge is doing damage control, he is now willing to vote for anyone...even his own partner.
As the ship is sinking...
Obdi, who will not vote for his master and in so doing is willing to die and then show his inno CF to world which will vindicate his masters somewhat.
Or Obdi and venge have decided that obdi will take the fall.
I dunno this is all crazy and i do think we are onto something.

What i want to know is why, if obdi thinks JA is scum, he hasnt mentioned me?
Why does he have to go and look for a partner, if anybody has been on your side all game it has been me.
maybe in his haste to escape the fire he forgot that...

Thats what i see.

[dktorode]

remove vote

wooooaaaa there lisheo...there be time yet...

This post has been edited by dktorode: 23 October 2008 - 02:34 PM

[Vengeance]

Ok so earlier I said that there was something suspicious about Baudin so I went back to before Morgy's lynch and looked at his posts.

baudin, on Oct 22 2008, 04:52 AM, said:

Have just finished skimming through, have lectures now will read up properly later
right now
vote morgoth
because it was a choice between him and silencer and i dont think what people have said has really cleared him much in my eyes from the other days

Now he comes on and moves the train on to morgy making it impossible to lynch Silencer according to Dkt.

dktorode, on Oct 22 2008, 04:54 AM, said:

bauden voted morgy, so the only possible lynch at the moment is morgy....if you are gone till the end of day i suppose you should put your vote there then.

Path-Shaper, on Oct 22 2008, 05:12 AM, said:

its day 3, theres about 50 minutes left

8 to lynch, 7 to night
7 votes Morgoth (Lacedaemonian, Yellow, Tapper, Silencer, Baudin, Jump Around, DK)
3 votes for Silencer (Lisheo, Morgoth, The Dude)
1 vote for Lisheo (Obdigore)

This is a quick look at the Vote count right before Morgy got hammered.

baudin, on Oct 22 2008, 05:45 AM, said:

I hope we dont go another day without a lynch

Fluff

baudin, on Oct 22 2008, 05:56 AM, said:

And now i need to head off for another lecture, il be back in about an hour i reckon, after ive had lunch obviously

fluff

baudin, on Oct 22 2008, 07:37 AM, said:

Not about me, but i dont know about the others, not many really standing out apart from Lace on the first few days. And gavin and silencer for being low posters (yes yes i know i am as well )

Still more fluff. A quick post to point some fingers but nothing as far as content.

baudin, on Oct 22 2008, 11:53 AM, said:

ok well i wont be on now until the morning got taekwondo then a mates 21st.

still more fluff, bu he posted this right before the end of night scene. Now he hadn't been on since earlier that morning. A possible killer who forgot to put in his provisional? I don't know cause he was on when the lynch went down which would have given him time. Unless he had to confirm his partners hit and was waiting for his partner to come on.

Path-Shaper, on Oct 22 2008, 11:59 AM, said:

The night seems to have passed in a daze. Flashes of the dance that started the evening still seem burned in the back of everyone's eyes. People stand around the dancefloor, nervously eyeing the stain that used to be Morgoth. Suddenly two flaming figure run out of the darkest corner of the room, screaming in pain. The crowd backs away as the fiery apparitions make their way to the center of the dancefloor. They stand and face each other, and begin a synchronized jive the likes of which have never been seen. Even the flesh running off their bones and the smokes rising from their afros seems perfectly coordinated.

Tapper (Korvalain) is dead. He was innocent.
Yellow (Rashan) is dead. He was innocent


It is Day 4. There are 24 hours remaining.

11 people still getting down: Baudin, Dktorode ,Gavin, Jump Around, Lacedaemonian, Lisheo, Mocker, Obdigore, Silencer, The Dude, Vengence

6 votes for lynch, 5 votes for night

Not voted : Baudin, Dktorode ,Gavin, Jump Around, Lacedaemonian, Lisheo, Mocker, Obdigore, Silencer, The Dude, Vengence

baudin, on Oct 23 2008, 07:39 AM, said:

Well to the cases against Venge and Obdi i can definitely see the reasoning behind them and they do seem to make sense to me.
I dont have much time atm but have just gone through the lynches see if i can get anything from there votes
On the first day we have Obdi put a random vote on JA
Then puts a Vote on lisheo because hes apparently lynch happy
Venge put a vote on alt apparently knowing he would be innocent
Second day
Venge puts a vote on Lace saying he wont remove it
Obdi later adds to the Lace vote after it has died down a bit
We then get no lynch
Third day
Obdi sticks a vote on Lisheo and leaves it on all day
Venge doesnt vote
Today
Obdi votes Lace quite early i think
Venge votes Obdi after gavin points out a possible connection

Sorry for the lack of details in some bits got the details from path shapers posts so there may be a few votes missed. It doesnt look like either of them have been on many of the lynch trains apart from venge on day 1, The votes on LAce and Lish are a bit random and the reasons are not that strong iirc. They seem to be staying out of the main lynch trains, possibly to avoid detection upon analysing the trains. I will try and go back and look in more detail later but i need to go and do work now.
EDIT to make it easier to read

Ok first post with some content but basically just repeating posts that have been said before.

baudin, on Oct 23 2008, 07:48 AM, said:

I am perfectly happy to vote for either of them will try and be back before the deadline at 5, and will decide who to vote for then

Last post. Now in all of his posts since before the morgy lynch he has only posted one with any content and is willing to lynch just about anybody. He sees the questions that other people are making about people and jumps in to seem helpful. This is a scum move and why I became suspicious about him to begin with.

I am willing to leave my vote on Obdi for now but I think that Baudin might be a better lynch.

[Lisheo]

We're down to an hour and a half and five votes is better than four, I doubt anyone would throw the hammer in, yet.

[Vengeance]

Remove vote
Vote Baudin

See above case...

[Jump Around]

Let's remember that even if indeed my case has been on Vengeance, when Silencer split without a vote, the train was on Obdigore. If Obdi is the symp of the trio, then Silencer would have voted him to save Vengeance.

I don't know what to say, the dynamics between those three is complex and I don't quite see the whole picture.

edit: cross-posts. Well, that's something.

This post has been edited by Jump Around: 23 October 2008 - 02:38 PM

[Obdigore]

Jump Around, on Oct 23 2008, 09:27 AM, said:

I have to say that based on their responses and reactions, I would prefer Obdi to Vengeance right now.

Vengeance plays like the option 3 people mentioned, i.e. his vote on Obdi was honest.

Obdi, I don't know what he's playing, but he's freaking out seriously.

Freaking out because I'm watching the game get railroaded by you? I suppose so.

[Vengeance]

Lisheo, on Oct 23 2008, 09:36 AM, said:

We're down to an hour and a half and five votes is better than four, I doubt anyone would throw the hammer in, yet.

yes but you leave the possibility open for a symp to hammer him down...