[Jump Around]

These are little summaries of my two cases, by the way (and of the Dude's). They should come back soon, and I want them to answer and make it easier for them then the gigantic case posts I made. For details, go read them.

[Lisheo]

Vengeance, on Oct 23 2008, 03:51 AM, said:

Ok a quick post then I am off to Bed. I was thinking about obdi on the way home. He has hardly posted when I was on and when he did it was just a quick pop in and then he was gone. I am thinking that Obdi is scum.... Keeping below the radar and trying to only be mildly helpful is suspicious. If you new players haven't figured it out yet. I find most of everything suspicious. Since I am going to be and will not be on for the rest of the day or at least for my night... See you all in the morning

Vote Obdi

That was... random. He himself has been keeping below the radar and being helpful, is he just being hypocritical or what? And he's leaving a vote on a person who's got really no votes up to now, so as someone says, distancing? Or maybe trying to get us to vote Obdi as a kinda WIFOM measure.

Well, first off, he had a real problem with spamming about JA throughout the game, Its joking around and I know I myself am guilty of posting low-content posts, but its almost an obsession, and as JA actually seems to be playing seriously, I find that a little odd. Its almost a subliminal suggestion to see what people think.

And whoever accused me of symping JA, sorry if this seems to fit in perfectly with your "case"

From what I can remember standing out from his other posts:
He got really quite defensive over the Alt bit, where he voted for him and said he's innocent, but he'll vote anyway. He also mentioned pointing fingers and examining the other members of the train carefully, but that fizzled out.

That's all he's done in this game that stands out, tbh, and the first bit was cus it was a recent post, and the second bit because someone mentioned it earlier
He went after Lace, too, but that's almost understandable lmao. Lace's playing style was grating at first, I too voted him quite a bit, if you go back.

I don't see the link between him and Obdi, all I can see is they don't actually talk to each other, and then that Veng lobbed out that one vote, Obdi so far hasn't referred to Veng at all.

DK, what in your opinion makes him a safer lynch?

Oh, and thanks for the paired lovers info, they're essentially like innocent killers, I take it.

[Lisheo]

And actually, I think Lace did change, he started playing the game far more seriously and adding content to his posts. He even backed up his argument for Morgy.

[dktorode]

As soon as im dont with work, im gonna have a good look at the trains that have developed.
There is some good indication of who might be inno on some of these trains. Especially on the ones that we now know are inno.
Ofcourse this is exactly what some people might want us to look for ie. lisheo on voting morgy. But what the hell heh?

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4, 4 hours left
11 people still getting down: Baudin, Dktorode, Gavin, Jump Around, Lacedaemonian, Lisheo, Mocker, Obdigore, Silencer, The Dude, Vengence

6 votes for lynch, 5 votes for night

1 vote Lacedaemon: Obdi
3 vote Silencer: Lace, Lisheo, Mocker
1 vote JA: Silencer
4 vote Obdigore: Vengeance, JA, The Dude, DKt

Not voted : Baudin, Gavin

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 23 October 2008 - 12:06 PM

[dktorode]

Lisheo, on Oct 23 2008, 01:54 PM, said:

DK, what in your opinion makes him a safer lynch?

Oh, and thanks for the paired lovers info, they're essentially like innocent killers, I take it.

He has connections to Obdi AND silencer
Thats why.

He is either voting obdi as a distancing move, or he is voting obdi to try and get the heat off of Silencer.
In both scenarios he is the scum. So if its a "get the heat of silencer" move, then silencer is scum with him and obdi is potential inno, if its a distacing move then obdi is scum with him and silencer is inno.
Both scenarios Venge could be seen as scum.

Im thinking if this is the route we wanna go, then we should play the odds and go with venge.

I have a feeling that Venge and Obdi are the killers with perhaps Silencer as there symp.
It makes sense why they killed an unknown on night one instead of a strong player. They wanted the arguing between Morgy , dibs, lace, to continue. I was pretty non existent on day one because it wa weekend.
Why they didnt want to kill JA is perhaps they wanted to get a lynch on him simply because he is the weasel JA.

They then killed dibs to finger Morgy a bit more. As for as the yellow/ tapper kill last night. Could just be a no info NK.

Im putting up scenarios here that should by no means be seen as fact, but it does sort of fit.

edit- bloody spelling

This post has been edited by dktorode: 23 October 2008 - 12:10 PM

[Lisheo]

The Trains with innocents identified.

Morgy's train:
Lacedaemonian,
Yellow-Innocent
Tapper-Innocent
Silencer,
Baudin,
Jump Around,
DK,
Gavin.

Tapper posting the train on Alt(including switches)
Gavin (vote)
J_slr (vote)-Innocent
Lisheo (vote)
The Dude (vote)
JA (vote)
Gem announces willingness to swing (was on no-one),
Tapper announces willingness to swing (vote was on Yellow),
DiBs announces he is tempted to swing to alt146 (vote was on Morgoth) if Morgy doesn't go through,
Venge announces willingness to switch,
DiBs declares willingness to switch ,
Tapper removes vote, votes alt,-innocent
Venge votes,
DiBs votes, -innocent
Mocker (vote),
Gem votes.-innocent

[Jump Around]

dktorode, on Oct 23 2008, 03:08 PM, said:

He has connections to Obdi AND silencer
Thats why.

He is either voting obdi as a distancing move, or he is voting obdi to try and get the heat off of Silencer.
In both scenarios he is the scum. So if its a distancing move, then silencer is scum with him and obdi is potential inno, if its a distacing move then obdi is scum with him and silencer is inno.
Both scenarios Venge could be seen as scum.

Im thinking if this is the route we wanna go, then we should play the odds and go with venge.

I'm down with that. I had Venge in my sights for a while, and Obdi only since the strange vote this morning.

However, I have to say that re-reading Obdi's game because of that trigger made me realize how scummy his whole game has been (he basically contributed to no lynchl, and made no case except "get the Weasel!" and Obdi is not the shy type).

What I'm afraid, if Venge is inno, is that we'll dismiss both Silencer and Obdi after that. I agree to one thing: it makes Silencer less suspicious if Venge is inno, but not Obdigore, since the case on Obdigore is not related to the one on Venge. There is no conflict between the two cases, so they can be very well a pair, but they don't rely on each other.

But then again, I'm confident that Venge is a killer, so it's a little moot.

[Lisheo]

I think I see where you're going. Either way, we shoud lynch one of the three just to be sure, essentially? Harsh, but I can see the necessity, there seems to be some link there. And I certainly didn't consider the possibility Veng is trying to take the heat of Silencer.
I posted the trains above, btw. Make of them what you will, thought it was best to do it now.

Lol, you got's to feel sorry for JA, but if they did intend to get him lynched for being the Weasel, it would have been a good plan, I'd have voted him straight off the bat except he's taking this game seriously.

[Jump Around]

Lisheo, on Oct 23 2008, 03:14 PM, said:

Lol, you got's to feel sorry for JA, but if they did intend to get him lynched for being the Weasel, it would have been a good plan, I'd have voted him straight off the bat except he's taking this game seriously.

I'm always playing seriously. Except last game where I got unlucky (and made a small Barghast miscalculation) I don't remember anyone complaining about me if I'm on their team.

Notice the last part.

[Lisheo]

Small Barghast miscalcultion lmao?

[Jump Around]

minuscule

[Giles]

Well to the cases against Venge and Obdi i can definitely see the reasoning behind them and they do seem to make sense to me.
I dont have much time atm but have just gone through the lynches see if i can get anything from there votes
On the first day we have Obdi put a random vote on JA
Then puts a Vote on lisheo because hes apparently lynch happy
Venge put a vote on alt apparently knowing he would be innocent
Second day
Venge puts a vote on Lace saying he wont remove it
Obdi later adds to the Lace vote after it has died down a bit
We then get no lynch
Third day
Obdi sticks a vote on Lisheo and leaves it on all day
Venge doesnt vote
Today
Obdi votes Lace quite early i think
Venge votes Obdi after gavin points out a possible connection

Sorry for the lack of details in some bits got the details from path shapers posts so there may be a few votes missed. It doesnt look like either of them have been on many of the lynch trains apart from venge on day 1, The votes on LAce and Lish are a bit random and the reasons are not that strong iirc. They seem to be staying out of the main lynch trains, possibly to avoid detection upon analysing the trains. I will try and go back and look in more detail later but i need to go and do work now.
EDIT to make it easier to read

This post has been edited by baudin: 23 October 2008 - 12:40 PM

[Giles]

I am perfectly happy to vote for either of them will try and be back before the deadline at 5, and will decide who to vote for then

[Gavin]

Right well I am back, I got about 3 hours to decide where my vote goes before i'm off for the night, so if people are going to talk about switching or whatever then I'd like it done in the next 3 hours if possible as I won't be around for the lynch.

To be honest I am unsure at the moment, there is some merit in a vote for Vengy, Obdi or Silencer. It looks like its Odbi at the moment but I see some murmurings of the Veng move...

[Lisheo]

@Gavin: who do youn consider the best lynch?

[Jump Around]

when is deadline by the way?

edit: oh, 3 hours left. Hmm, that's little

edit 2: I'm around until the end

This post has been edited by Jump Around: 23 October 2008 - 12:58 PM

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4, 3 hours left
11 people still getting down: Baudin, Dktorode, Gavin, Jump Around, Lacedaemonian, Lisheo, Mocker, Obdigore, Silencer, The Dude, Vengence

6 votes for lynch, 5 votes for night

1 vote Lacedaemon: Obdi
3 vote Silencer: Lace, Lisheo, Mocker
1 vote JA: Silencer
4 vote Obdigore: Vengeance, JA, The Dude, DKt

Not voted : Baudin, Gavin

[Jump Around]

And if Baudin and Gavin are around, it means that so should the concerned parties.

[dktorode]

This 24 hours days are really hurting us, all the scum need to do is make sure the only possible lynch is some poor inno, and then promptly dissapear till the end of day.
Then we are forced to go for said inno becasue they know we "must lynch".

Bloody hell