[Vengeance]

Lacedaemonian, on Oct 22 2008, 12:42 PM, said:

I am willing to listen to any cases (if you want my vote for a train). However, I am so full of doubt that I am keeping my vote with Veng who has been scummy in his voting for me. Which I have said looks like a cover. I am grasping at straws beyond him though. Yes Lisheo's fence sitting is very iffy. But after that, I really have nothing on some of the other lads who have managed to stay under my radar.

So what you are saying is that you don't have shit. Nobody other then Morgy (who when he died was going to allow you to be able to look at other people cause all you could do was to look at morgy) and me have peeked your interest enough to vote for. Not Silencer's or Baudin's drive bys, Not Gavin's sliding through the game, Not the fact that the Dude hasn't been on anyone's radar, not the fact that Obdi has been hiding.

[The Dude]

Honestly Lace: if anyone has muddied the waters it has been you with your Morgy vendetta.

[Lacedaemonian]

Why do people keep saying I had no case on Morg? And now you are saying I had no case on Veng?????

I had a strong case on Morg - even he said so.

Veng said he was going to keep his vote on me until I was lynched. I have made a case based on his possible motives for keeping the vote on me.

My case On Vengeance:

• He kept his vote on me - his reason being that I made an abusive comment about his wife.
  
• Even after I apologised he kept the vote on me.
  
• He has tried to maintain a case on me based on very little and has always displayed that extra anger. I guess he was hoping people would accept this due to my abusive joke. But is it acceptable? Is the anger relevant to the situation? I don't think so.
  
• So why the anger?
  
• He gets to spend his votes cheaply on me without attracting suspicion. Even I was lynched, people would ignore him as he has a motive.
  
• Seems too convenient for me.
  
• He has also wasted far too much of my time (and maybe others) arguing over an issue not necessarily specific to the game.

I am willing to listen to other cases on other people and agree with Veng that there are one or two people who have escaped scrutiny. I have voted but unlike the Morg situation, I am willing to change my vote.

[Lacedaemonian]

Sorry I am slow posting still....

I have been suspicious of:

Morgoth
Tapper
Gem
Veng
Lishoa
Yellow

I have named these people several times.

Nobody else has made me that suspicious, really. I have also said several times that there are a few people slipping under the radar. Whether this is because of the time zones or because they are playing a game, I really don't know. I dont know how they usually play either.

Honestly, build some cases and I will give them my fullest attention. I will also be re-reading as much as I can and will try and present some new cases (for me).

[Vengeance]

Lacedaemonian, on Oct 22 2008, 12:56 PM, said:

Why do people keep saying I had no case on Morg? And now you are saying I had no case on Veng?????

I had a strong case on Morg - even he said so.

Veng said he was going to keep his vote on me until I was lynched. I have made a case based on his possible motives for keeping the vote on me.

My case On Vengeance:

• He kept his vote on me - his reason being that I made an abusive comment about his wife.
  
• Even after I apologised he kept the vote on me.
  
• He has tried to maintain a case on me based on very little and has always displayed that extra anger. I guess he was hoping people would accept this due to my abusive joke. But is it acceptable? Is the anger relevant to the situation? I don't think so.
  
• So why the anger?
  
• He gets to spend his votes cheaply on me without attracting suspicion. Even I was lynched, people would ignore him as he has a motive.
  
• Seems too convenient for me.
  
• He has also wasted far too much of my time (and maybe others) arguing over an issue not necessarily specific to the game.

I am willing to listen to other cases on other people and agree with Veng that there are one or two people who have escaped scrutiny. I have voted but unlike the Morg situation, I am willing to change my vote.

Did I vote for you again after you apologized??? I have maintained that your behavior and actions were suspicious and frankly I still think so. I have also said that after reading through your posts yesterday I felt that you had dropped down on my list. But then you came right back up. I have never said that my vote was based off of one comment about my wife. In fact I don't think that I have said that at all. Other people have spoken about it but not me not in thread.

This post has been edited by Vengeance: 22 October 2008 - 06:12 PM

[Lacedaemonian]

Lol.

[Vengeance]

Lacedaemonian, on Oct 22 2008, 01:07 PM, said:

Lol.

Find it and quote it if I did....



Anyway back to topic... As I reread the thread I am becoming more suspicious of Baudin.

[The Dude]

@ Venge- I Was just looking at him as well. One thing I noticed was that yellow looked into him and voted for him. His only defense was that everyone already thought what he thought and he didn't want to sound like a Parrot. Yellow then told him to
"grow a pair" Now Yellow is dead. WIFOM i know, but still you attack a guys manhood and then you die... suspicious.

But really the extent of his posts have either been

A. Summary of other Posts.
B. Saying he agrees with other Posts
C. Saying he doesn't want to sound like a parrot of other peoples posts.

Not a lot to vote on. But still looks suspicious. I am going to go back and look at Mocker.

P.S. I am going to dare to draw the "Wrath of the Weasel" here.... Other than opening day banter... JA has completely escaped any kind of scrutiny what-so-ever. I always deferred to the community that their meta reasons were keeping them from looking at him. I guess I still trust that, but still....he is a known weasel.

[Lacedaemonian]

Vengeance, on Oct 22 2008, 07:16 PM, said:

Lacedaemonian, on Oct 22 2008, 01:07 PM, said:

Lol.

Find it and quote it if I did....



Anyway back to topic... As I reread the thread I am becoming more suspicious of Baudin.

I have just looked through 32 pages. I am taking the dogs out now and will look through the other 60 odd pages when I get back, though I might not have much time as I have a Cod4 match.

I was just looking at your argument/case on me Veng (the early/first case against me).

This was it:

• I posted nonsensical all day. I managed this for a full day.
  
• I removed my vote on Morgoth after the event.

Eh that was it.....


I started posting at 4pm and made a number of spammy posts. I wont play the nab card here. I reckon most of you were doing the same at this time. You might think that people were making interesting or clever arguments - I assure you this was not the case.

You removed your vote on Alt after the event. This was actually the very next post after me!! I did not realise this until a couple of days later which was maybe one of the reasons I did not get lynched. One of your main points was that I was SOOOO SCUMMMYYYY for removing my vote. Like I said, nobody noticed this until I posted two days later. However, you knew this. So what does that make you??? TOTAL SCUM.

I have no issue with taking the fall over the Morgoth lynch. Vote me now if you think the lynching of Morgoth was not worthwhile.

Otherwise build a new case against me or jog on. I have outed you already as a liar. Why should anybody trust you?

[Obdigore]

So its either

Lace
Lisheo
Veng
JA
DK

im not sure about the_dude or baudin....

Know what lace, im going to vote for you.
Lacedaemon

[Vengeance]

Lacedaemonian, on Oct 22 2008, 01:30 PM, said:

Vengeance, on Oct 22 2008, 07:16 PM, said:

Lacedaemonian, on Oct 22 2008, 01:07 PM, said:

Lol.

Find it and quote it if I did....



Anyway back to topic... As I reread the thread I am becoming more suspicious of Baudin.

I have just looked through 32 pages. I am taking the dogs out now and will look through the other 60 odd pages when I get back, though I might not have much time as I have a Cod4 match.

I was just looking at your argument/case on me Veng (the early/first case against me).

This was it:

• I posted nonsensical all day. I managed this for a full day.
  
• I removed my vote on Morgoth after the event.

Eh that was it.....


I started posting at 4pm and made a number of spammy posts. I wont play the nab card here. I reckon most of you were doing the same at this time. You might think that people were making interesting or clever arguments - I assure you this was not the case.

You removed your vote on Alt after the event. This was actually the very next post after me!! I did not realise this until a couple of days later which was maybe one of the reasons I did not get lynched. One of your main points was that I was SOOOO SCUMMMYYYY for removing my vote. Like I said, nobody noticed this until I posted two days later. However, you knew this. So what does that make you??? TOTAL SCUM.

I have no issue with taking the fall over the Morgoth lynch. Vote me now if you think the lynching of Morgoth was not worthwhile.

Otherwise build a new case against me or jog on. I have outed you already as a liar. Why should anybody trust you?

Obviously you didn't read later on. I explained that I found the fact that you removed a vote off of morgy after another lynch had already happened. I was in a conversation with Dibs and then decided to remove my vote on the person who had/was about to be lynched. I removed my vote on alt cause I wasn't sure of the vote count at that time. There was no reason for you to remove your vote from morgy cause he wasn't close to being lynched. You really have a one track mind don't you. First you went all in on morgy and now you are trying to go all in on me. It makes me a Mafia player that is what it makes me....

[The Dude]

Obdigore, on Oct 22 2008, 11:38 AM, said:

So its either

Lace
Lisheo
Veng
JA
DK

im not sure about the_dude or baudin....

Know what lace, im going to vote for you.
Lacedaemon

What do you feel gets Mocker/gavin/silencer off the hook? I just spent 30 minutes looking at Mockers posts. There is nothing there. just banter. Hard to gauge anything, but the fact that he wouldn't join on the Gem Lynch bandwagon at the end does make me think he is inno.

Gavin I don't think either, he has brought some good content and insight on the few times he has posted.

Silencer is still on my list. He was about to be lynched, came on, said : "Thats how I play unless I am roled" , said "I voted Tapper cause I wanted to", voted Morgo and took off when he realized that he was off the hook. Idk, he has my hackles up, the problem, once again is there is hardly anything to go on.

Anyway, Obdi, why did you not include those 3?

[Jump Around]

It annoys me that two of my three candidates to be killer are at each other's throats (Lace and Vengeance), if that's distancing, give them an Oscar

The third one being Silencer.

Anyways, with the new CFs of both Morgoth and Tapper (Yellow to a lesser extent, he was less connected from what I remember), the intelligent thing to do would be a good re-read. I don't agree with Gavin, today is not lynch well or die even if we didn't hit any symp already (assuming 4 scums), but it's still worth the effort of a second look and proper cases.

Now it's by bedtime, though, and shitloads of hours left, I'll do that tomorrow with my morning coffee.

vote Silencer

just to piss him off for now and remind him I'm not happy he weaseled out of yesterday's lynch

This post has been edited by Jump Around: 22 October 2008 - 07:03 PM

[Jump Around]

The Dude, on Oct 22 2008, 10:00 PM, said:

Anyway, Obdi, why did you not include those 3?

Indeed, according to his post, he's "sure of them".

Lucky bastard, the only one I truly think is inno so far is dktorode, and even for him I'm afraid of the "spoiler board humiliation"

[Obdigore]

This way I have mentioned everyone in the game as being on the list.

Fear me, mortals, for you cannot escape the all-knowing Discogore.

Bah... at this point I will vote for nearly anyone, but I think it would tickle my fancy to lynch Lacy today.

[Lacedaemonian]

Vengeance - I promise you I am looking at other players. I have never focussed my suspicions on just one person and my circle of suspicion has usually been about six people. I am building cases in my head against about four people now. Without saying more..... I give the floor to the:

Absent folk!

I wont post again until I feel these lads have made a valid contribution.

[dktorode]

Ugh... Trying to post with my phone. Giving me a hard time. If this one goes through. Its just to say im done trying. Good night.

[Lisheo]

Hey, I'm back... Ugh, tired, and confused.

[Lacedaemonian]

remove vote.

vote silencer.


Noticed he was online and posting elsewhere but not here. wtf??

[mocker]

hey hey hey

sorry its been a bugger to get online today, got on a wee bit earlier but internet fucked up agen boo!!