[Gavin]

I'm around as well... waiting till closer before I decide. I notice Silencer is on even now viewing the thread so I'm expecting a post soon.

Why would it look bad The Dude? Or why do you think it does?

[Silencer]

 Tapper, on Oct 22 2008, 08:58 AM, said:

Well mate, so far, I haven't been dancing like a moth between a gazillion different candles

On the why of my vote and its wording: I've seen Silencer play games where he has 15 posts in a single game. It's how he rolls, he won't suddenly triple his posting if the pressure mounts. He probably wouldn't know what to say if he did, and a talkative Silencer would be such a novelty that we'd probably lynch him out of shock.

I want an answer for his votes, if they make sense, then I am personally satisfied. I do not aim higher than that.

Now that's just mean! As for how I roll...I tend to play quietly, right up until the end game. If I have a vendetta...well, I have been know to push occasionally. :snigger:

Reason for the vote? I picked you as my target to get lynched this game, Tapper. That's the truth. I even sent a PM to Path-Shaper that said so (it's irrelevant in-game, but it's up there for afterwards). Hence why I voted for you two days in a row. Why did I switch to Gem later? I wanted a lynch. And, if Gem was evil, you were next on everybody's hit list. Hence furthering my goal to get you lynched. Happy?

[Gavin]

 Silencer, on Oct 22 2008, 03:17 PM, said:

 Tapper, on Oct 22 2008, 08:58 AM, said:

Well mate, so far, I haven't been dancing like a moth between a gazillion different candles

On the why of my vote and its wording: I've seen Silencer play games where he has 15 posts in a single game. It's how he rolls, he won't suddenly triple his posting if the pressure mounts. He probably wouldn't know what to say if he did, and a talkative Silencer would be such a novelty that we'd probably lynch him out of shock.

I want an answer for his votes, if they make sense, then I am personally satisfied. I do not aim higher than that.

Now that's just mean! As for how I roll...I tend to play quietly, right up until the end game. If I have a vendetta...well, I have been know to push occasionally. :snigger:

Reason for the vote? I picked you as my target to get lynched this game, Tapper. That's the truth. I even sent a PM to Path-Shaper that said so (it's irrelevant in-game, but it's up there for afterwards). Hence why I voted for you two days in a row. Why did I switch to Gem later? I wanted a lynch. And, if Gem was evil, you were next on everybody's hit list. Hence furthering my goal to get you lynched. Happy?

I'm curious as to what you mean by picked a target to get lynched? Did you randomly decide Tapper is the guy I wanted to lynch pre game? Or you have some case on him ? If so would you like to share?

[Silencer]

And thank you, JA, for pointing out the infamous 17.
I was free in that game. Why? I was leader of the largest surviving faction, I'd killed the leader of another faction, we were doing well.

This game...well, Inno means I just cruise for a while.

Oh, and although I'm "around" viewing the thread all day, that's only because I'm logged in, and have this open. I haven't looked at this thread in hours. I've got exams, guys. I don't have the time to play all day.

[Silencer]

@Gavin. I thought he may be evil. Maybe a symp, maybe a killer. Just based on the day one stuff. But in general, I just wanted to lynch him. No real reason.

[dktorode]

 mocker, on Oct 21 2008, 09:27 PM, said:

and DK, its not hard to make an inno look bad, look at wat you guys are doin layin waste to each other with pants reasons as your back up. thats why ive been pretty quiet. i'd rather be sure. if i have something to add to the game i will, but i'm not gona do wat loads of ppl are doing and just repeat each others ideas and accusations to absolutely no avail other than yet another inno lynch

altho sayin that Silencer does worry me

EDIT: grammaaar

Hahaha just for that statement ill remove my vote, if you WERE a killer...you would KNOW how hard it is to make shit up knowing full well that someone is innocent.
hahaha...

remove vote

[dktorode]

 Obdigore, on Oct 21 2008, 09:34 PM, said:

And don't confuse me with DK. He is an evil south afrikaan man!

Sonava....

This post has been edited by dktorode: 22 October 2008 - 07:31 AM

[Tapper]

Hmm. What a dull night vote-wise. I had expected to see 3 or more against me. More on that later.

To counter Morgoth's quoteless case, I'll provide quoteless case against him, myself, based on how a killer-Morgoth (and his partner, who I think is Gavin) would think. Usually, this is an end-game analysis, and not done with 14 people still alive, so Morgy's the sole one I made this for.

It's day 1, and there's a train of L-5 against you. You're a killer, and you've got DiBs against you, with a lot of people around who know him by reputation only and are willing to agree with him, time is running out. You need a diversion or you're going down 'cause this is day 1 and every attack is feeble, every defense also, so the one who creates momentum is the one who gains the lynch. Luckily, Yellow makes a meta-based case that can be used as a diversion to start a second train.

Gavin reacts on that by targeting alt146 instead of Yellow. Alt146 was influenced by the meta-case, probably scaring off others who intended to do the same, sensible people agree that voting for this kind of meta sucks, and maybe a few agreed because they're ashamed of themselves.
Surprisingly starts a train that goes to lynch.

It is now night, and Morgoth and his partner have a problem. Morgoth lives, but there's this huge train that came to his rescue. They have to make sure that the innocence of one of the trainstarters is revealed to take the heat of, so they NK the guy who was the first known innocent on that train: J_slr, the second poster. This is done either because Gavin is Morgoth's partner or because they suspect him to be (one of their) symp to them.

It is day 2, and DiBs renews his assault on Morgoth, adding tiny tidbits to his case to flesh it out.
The killers have a problem; one of them is handicapped, is attacked on his every post and this has got to stop soon.
We all know that one of the traditional formations (but certainly not the only one) for killers to employ is a silent one and a vocal one.
Morgoth's pretty persuasive, so I guess he's to be the vocal one in the partnership. Except that he can't, for there's an even more vocal DiBs picking him up and throwing him around, asking his opinions without being swayed by them.

Morgoth ends at 4 votes and DiBs shows no signs of quiting, as he is willing to change to a compromise-candidate if that gets a lynch.
Then, there's a leftover train from the weekend break on Lace.
There is a train on Gem for being unconstructive based on another case by Gavin, on which Morgoth ends up. JA later says he thinks that this train was scum-heavy and that they didn't dare to go all in. If Gavin is a symp, it makes sense as a diversion, if he and Morgoth are partners, less so for them both to be on that train. All in all, there is no lynch.

It is night 2.
DiBs has to go. Luckily, he has been attacking other people as well, has an extensive suspect list that changes, so his kill, as Venge pointed out, is completely WIFOM and cannot be constructed as a kill just to free Morgoth. Actually, during the night, Morgoth remarks that he doesn't expect that DiBs can drive a train against him for three days in a row. Conveniently downplaying the effects of the impending death of DiBs? Maybe, maybe not. DiBs dies.
Gem dies. Morgoth has his hands free now to be the vocal player.

It is day 3.
Time for Morgoth to flex his muscles and start establishing a measure of control over the game. The most ideal situation would be if the lynch train would drive itself on inno-votes to its destination after only a nudge, not requiring interference from the second killer or, preferably, the symps. Because, what is going to happen is this: your target is going to turn up inno, so you can expect the train being picked apart and fingers pointing at you.

What you want is a player that's appearing on several suspicionmeters already, who has few friends willing to aid in defense, and who didn't leave a very strong impression so far. (That's me; and I'll make no secret of the fact that I'm well disgusted with the quality of my play so far).
Encourage the existing suspicion, and people will jump on, and if the target is weak, his defense will be feeble, which will encourage the enthusiasm for the lynch, and will make everyone feel less of a fool if the deceased comes up inno, and less willing to go after the OP, for you too thought he was scum, didn't you? And his defense sucked... besides, the OP wasn't exactly saying something new; hints were all over the topic already.

It was a reasonably good play towards establishing a flock of Morgoth-led sheep and get a killer-driven lynch that would not arouse too much suspicion. I think the sole mistake Morgoth made, was attacking Yellow while I was writing my reply to Morgoth's case, probably because he thought I was going to bed without replying. It netted him three votes and made him lose focus.

A second side-effect that he couldn't be aware of, was that I had decided during my conversation with Dkt to play sitting duck. Bait.
I've sucked pretty badly so far in this game, and I decided to use that as my redeeming feature in a gambit over my own corpse.
A freed Morgoth would seek a way to push his stamp on play and the best way to do so, was push a lynch on an easy target, doubly so if he was a killer, counting on the lack of a rallying point against him that is DiBs. I decided I was the best there was available, and had no problems playing the part. More, I knew I'd come up inno and I thought that it would primarily be inno's who would jump on my train, see the reasoning above; I could then make a version of this post and direct everyone back to the day 1 trains, which for me, are still an attack on a killer and a succeeding diversion by either his symp, or a partner.

Now, a great lot of this is WIFOM and speculation. I don't think that in and by itself it is enough to see him lynched, but Morgoth is the lynchpin around which play revolves. I want to see him gone. If he's inno, I'm accepting I could be next. But I don't think he is, to be honest. The above is all reasonable, collected play, doing what is necessary. None of it stands out as extremely odd.

Remove vote.
Vote Morgoth

[Tapper]

 Silencer, on Oct 22 2008, 09:17 AM, said:

 Tapper, on Oct 22 2008, 08:58 AM, said:

Well mate, so far, I haven't been dancing like a moth between a gazillion different candles

On the why of my vote and its wording: I've seen Silencer play games where he has 15 posts in a single game. It's how he rolls, he won't suddenly triple his posting if the pressure mounts. He probably wouldn't know what to say if he did, and a talkative Silencer would be such a novelty that we'd probably lynch him out of shock.

I want an answer for his votes, if they make sense, then I am personally satisfied. I do not aim higher than that.

Now that's just mean! As for how I roll...I tend to play quietly, right up until the end game. If I have a vendetta...well, I have been know to push occasionally. :snigger:

Reason for the vote? I picked you as my target to get lynched this game, Tapper. That's the truth. I even sent a PM to Path-Shaper that said so (it's irrelevant in-game, but it's up there for afterwards). Hence why I voted for you two days in a row. Why did I switch to Gem later? I wanted a lynch. And, if Gem was evil, you were next on everybody's hit list. Hence furthering my goal to get you lynched. Happy?

yeah, I am satisfied. And sorry about the remark, but I really think you honour your name, usually

[Silencer]

I try, I really do.

Well, I love your case on Morgoth. And besides that, it's the only case other than the one on me (is it really a case?) that looks like it's going anywhere.

Vote Morgoth

[dktorode]

 baudin, on Oct 21 2008, 10:48 PM, said:

Who hasnt really been pointed at then? It seems to be just JA and Dkt that havent really been fingered yet

Jeeezuz...hope i NEVEAAR get fingered... O_O

And just as a little deterrent...i didnt wipe properly this morn, so dont even consider it you slags

[dktorode]

 mocker, on Oct 21 2008, 10:53 PM, said:

the only reason to vote JA right now would be coz of his general rep lol, he seems pretty clean

same with dkt really (even if he did vote me grrr)

altho it mite just seem that way to me coz i'm never able to get online properly the same time as them and so canny question directly. hmm duno

EDIT: spelling. and i think dkt shud join me on that list lol, we're both under the radar

Im under the radar??

Thats a bold statement my friend...My posts have content, i dont just go with the flow. hmmf

[dktorode]

 Tapper, on Oct 21 2008, 10:58 PM, said:

Well mate, so far, I haven't been dancing like a moth between a gazillion different candles

On the why of my vote and its wording: I've seen Silencer play games where he has 15 posts in a single game. It's how he rolls, he won't suddenly triple his posting if the pressure mounts. He probably wouldn't know what to say if he did, and a talkative Silencer would be such a novelty that we'd probably lynch him out of shock.

I want an answer for his votes, if they make sense, then I am personally satisfied. I do not aim higher than that.

This is very true, silencer hardly posts in most games...he's the silent type...hence the name

[Jump Around]

OK, I didn't expect the Duuude, I don't know what it means vote count-wise.

I'm around until deadline, and will switch to Morgoth if needed. Like I said, no many little things point to him, from so many different players and different circomstances, that I think he might be a killer.

Nice try, Silencer, but if you're only "logged in" you don't appear as "reading the thread", which is what I was referring to.

[Silencer]

I said JA - I have the thread OPEN. Which makes it like I'm reading.

[dktorode]

 Yellow, on Oct 22 2008, 12:20 AM, said:

Some thoughts.

Yesterday, I thought that Gem and Morgoth were killers, with Venge plus one as a symp. Obviously, I was wrong about Gem. I have been wary of Lace ever since the beginning (i.e. the moment I met him), as he is a canny fucker who, despite what he may lay claim to, has already mastered this game and everyone in it. I notice that Morgoth yesterday did not jump to a Lace lynch train when he was diverting away from himself, but instead turned to Gem, who we now know was inno.

Morgoth also came to Lace's "defence" over the female remarks. That's in quotes because really there was not a lot going on except for people trying to make out that Lace had been making obusive comments towards Morgoth, when in fact they had been made towards Venge's wife (who we all know is fair game).

Only problem with this is Lace is voting Morgy....has been the whole game.

[Silencer]

Amateur distancing?

Doubt it...but possible.

[Jump Around]

If Morgoth turns out guilty that Lace will have some serious bragging rights

[Morgoth]

I am back again. Going to read comercial law once more..

Hm, yes I do believe we need a lynch as the day is running towards is end and another no-lynch would be very bad. Naturally, I do not think I'm a good target since I'm innocent but there you go.

so Silencer

[Silencer]

Haha! Great...

So. Who finds my non-existence more suspicious than Morgoth's actions? Raise hands, please!