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What's messing with your groove?

#17841 User is offline   Puck 

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Posted 27 August 2015 - 12:47 PM

View PostGredfallan Ale, on 27 August 2015 - 10:41 AM, said:

@Puckstein:

I started replying, but then realized I couldn't say much but that I relate to a lot of what you're sharing with us. The only thing I can say is that it might help to start talking to someone about how you feel, just to get it off your chest and maybe gain a bit of insight as well. It always helps me to talk about how I feel and what I'm experiencing as I have to arrange things, build a narrative and, often, have to confront myself with some of the irrational cognitions I'm having. (That latter part for me is mostly about irrational anxieties, I'm very anxious of confrontations.)

You might also want to talk about your future, start thinking about alternatives or other positive plans to undertake. Sure, you can try to make your dreams come true, but, let's face it, not everyone is going to end up with their dream job. One of my best friends was unemployed for almost two years after graduating, she was stuck and did not really see a future in her preferred profession. She experienced similar emotions as you are experiencing now. When she finally came to terms with that fact, she started looking ahead again. She went looking for alternative fields she might like, digging up information on home education courses and going back to university. Now she's in the process of getting another degree (distant learning courses) and already has a part-time job in that new field. She has plans again, motivation, and most of all, she's enjoying her outlook on life again. Another friend pretty much did the same, in his mid-30s, he couldn't get a job in his field (organisational psychology), decided to something totally different (highschool math teacher), picked up courses and is now working for a highschool as a math teacher.

They do have one thing in common, they started talking about their situation and how they felt. It took a while, but then they started seeing opportunities again, started making plans or looking for alternatives (courses, &c.) and started feeling like they had something to care about again. Something to work towards.


Thanks for your input, it's really appreciated. I just want to clarify some things.. Which got a but long again, but I can't talk to anyone irl, so ranting on the internet is my only outlet.

Call me starry-eyed, or naive, but I don't think I'm at a point where I have to pack it and realise that my so-called dreams are not realistic. Chiefly because I've been out of uni for just a few months, and because I am - and have always been - aware that it takes time and patiece and a lot of work to achieve what I want (which, actually, isn't particularly specific; I want to work in a particular field, but I'm not choosy about what exactly I want to do within it). It's not that I don't see any future in my preferred profession - quite the opposite, I think with enough time and patience it will work. The main trade fair of my field is in barely two months, and maybe, when every interview I may manage to secure there will end with "Sorry, but you're nowhere near good enough", THEN I will admit defeat. But really, why should I give up without even trying?

My problem is not bleak future prospects in what I want to do (at least for now), but the fact that I am stuck in a field that's related, but which I absolutely hate, every second of it. I have always hated it, but I have made the mistake to listen to people who told me I should be realistic, so I ended up working in it. Yes, be realistic, do something useful, don't pursue your dream (which never existed to begin with, unless being good at something and opting for pursuing it is a naive dream). Might as well just shoot myself, for all the good being realistic is doing me. I'm running mostly on anger now, and I'm angry at myself for letting people stir me away, and now I am bogged down doing the ONE thing I NEVER wanted to. It's related, but the field is big, and I'm doing the one thing out of it that suffocates me. I felt better during a part-time job cleaning toilets.

What's the worst about it is that it bogs down my mind and my will and my motivation, to the point where I can't get out of bed when I know that I have work to do that day. I am wasting time I could be using to build my website, my portfolio, arranging interviews, just DOING something. I have a TONNE of stuff I could be doing, stuff that would get me somewhere. Instead, I am doing things I hate, because they pay in the short term, and because I cannot afford to piss off my mother and the whole network of people she's got.

Maybe that sounds stupid and spoiled. There are people who can work under extreme pressure. I can't, at least not when that pressure comes from the outside, from things totally unrelated. I don't know how to explain it. I deal well with pressure like deadlines, I can work through nights and never even notice, but when the pressure comes from outside sources I just blank. I have anxiety problems, and the field I am in right now is a literal mine field of anxiety triggers. Every little thing has my mind shutting down. I say, no, I won't do that, I never learned this or that, I am not qualified. And it gets ignored. I get told that in that case I should put in the time to learn how to do something, because, after all, I studied it. When the truth is that no, I did NOT study that. Just because I made my own website does not mean I suddenly can make an online shop. I have never had anything to do with photography, I have zero interest in it. Yet I am expected to organize someone who can take pictures of whatever someone wants to sell, then build an online shop. WHY? What do I have to do with that? There are people who have spent years learning how to do that, there are students who are happy to do it because that's what they want to do, I can even give pointers regarding where to ask, so why should I do it? And what for? It doesn't even pay enough to warrant the mental stress that fighting down the anxiety means. Why can't people take no for an answer? Of course, I know why, because my mother is involved, and she thinks I should do it because it brings short-term money. But just because I know my way around Photoshop does not mean I can wave a hand and do magic.

If that's stupid and naive, so be it. If, ultimately, it turns out that I'm deluding myself and I'm utterly shit at what I want to do, that's okay, too. But I'd like to at least try, which I am finding myself mentally incapable of right now. And, in the end, that's what gets to me, not the fact that it might not work.

I have been telling myself for years that I just have to endure, and I will manage to break free of a life my mother basically controls. We were almost there. Then she got a new friend and said lady knows freaking everyone and thinks I totally need the work and it's totally okay to send people my way even when I say to her freaking face that I do not want that kind of work. Problem is, I like helping people. On the other hand, as I already mentioned in my last post, my life is not going anywhere, precisely because I FAIL at breaking free of my mother.

Right now, I am heavily engaging in evading tactics. I turn off my phone, and avoid my email inbox like the plague. I have started to pretend there's no paper mail in the mailbox. I do not like that tendency. My mother does it, and there's never been one good thing that came of that. I am perfectly aware of all of that. Yet being aware is not enough anymore to not engage in this behaviour. I need help. But I can't ask anyone. Or talk to anyone in person. Again, I am sorry to clog up the thread.

Anyway, sorry for ranting.


In other news, I had my doc give me a referral to a therapist. While I was at the doc's office, I saw the leaflets I did last month lying around. I had hoped to never have to see them again, but turns out my doc and my mom's cosmetician are best freaking friends. Beautiful.

This post has been edited by Puckstein: 27 August 2015 - 01:04 PM

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Posted 27 August 2015 - 01:49 PM

View PostCowboyYojimbo, on 27 August 2015 - 04:49 AM, said:


You've further cemented the impression I got from others being my worries are such a "young person problem" haha. I've come to realize I had all these sing-posts on my life. Career by 25 - Wife by 27 etc. etc. I'm definitely trying my best to enjoy the years while working towards things. The uncertainty of my career choices worry me but I guess I can take it in stride more.







Just to add. I changed careers at age 34 from being a fitness instructor/personal trainer to real estate/development/renovations.

I wasnt planning on it, just stumbled onto something i really enjoyed doing.

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Posted 27 August 2015 - 02:57 PM

From the outside looking in it seems like Cowboy and Puck's issues are very similar - a clear path of where you want to be but difficulty in getting the practicalities sorted to free you up to shoot for your dream. I don't have advice so much as a reflection of someone who was freaking miserable in their 20s and am now the happiest I've been in my life at 35 doing a job I would have looked down my nose at 3 years ago - not a huge amount of time and experience but my life observations so far are to never compare yourself against others or a "life plan". God knows how we all end up where we do but just work hard, take opportunities as they arise and be flexible when life circumstances allow. If you have to do a crap job to pay the bills figure out whatever way you can to compartmentalise it in your mind so that you save your mental energy for the things that are important to you (it may be as simple as learning to not give a shit about the quality of your work - I've done this in jobs in the past, I'm usually a perfectionist and it is amazingly liberating to just think "fuck it, I'll do the minimum required to not get fired"). The most important thing is to accept where you are now in your life, don't let your fears win and find ways to enjoy life because there's not much point otherwise! Think of yourself in 5 / 10 / 15 years time living your happy life in your dream job - you will look back and wish you hadn't wasted so much energy feeling shit about it now. Either it will work out and it will be great or it won't work out as you imagine and you'll meander into something else that is possibly completely different than your plans but is still great.
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Posted 27 August 2015 - 03:25 PM

View PostPuckstein, on 27 August 2015 - 12:47 PM, said:

Again, I am sorry to clog up the thread.

Anyway, sorry for ranting.

Please do not apologize for this. You have a groove, it is being messed with, and you are an upstanding member of this board. We'll listen to you.

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In other news, I had my doc give me a referral to a therapist.

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Posted 27 August 2015 - 04:28 PM

Puck, most artists have to find a way to make money from the commercial application of their art form in order to survive, while waiting for an opportunity to come along. It sounds like you already are well on the way to doing that - you have established clientele and are also working for a larger firm. I think you should use this to your advantage and begin to pursue serious self-employment. It will look good on your resume' in the future, when you might try to get a full time position elsewhere. It is also rewarding to your morale, to make your own money and keep it, instead of making money for an employer and taking a lesser share.

I think you are getting screwed by the company you work for, if they can hire full time then they should be able to pay you better or offer some accommodations. Also raise your rates slightly that you charge the referral customers - call it "covering your costs" - get some business cards, assemble a commercial portfolio and go for it.

The therapist sounds like it would helpful, as you describe several symptoms of depression.
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Posted 28 August 2015 - 07:14 AM

View PostGredfallan Ale, on 26 August 2015 - 06:27 PM, said:

View PostGavril, on 26 August 2015 - 05:59 PM, said:

Exams and women are messing with my groove. Ever since I started university exams completly messed up my groove. Women started doing that about a year later. Only one week to go and I can finally enjoy a month long holiday!

And then compared to al the other posts I can only realize how stupid I sound... :p


Don't belittle yourself or your feelings too much. Exams can be pretty pressing, psychologically speaking, and women, well, let me just say that they make life interesting.*




*) I broke up with my ex, what is it, three months ago. We enjoyed a very good friendship prior to our relationship and we're trying to continue that. It seems to be working, but it does not help me getting over her. However, I would feel even worse if our friendship had ended as well.



I don't belittle myself though... I just don't have it that bad. Just need to press through, and I wouldn't call it interesting... :p

If it were me I couldn't stay friends. Atleast not until I'd be over her. I had it happen twice and twice we tried to stay good friends but it only ended up us both fighting more because we couldn't get over eachother, but we couldn't get back together either. Now we don't speak at all anymore and I doubt we ever will after all that's said and done. That's really bugging me lately (although my girlfriend is very happy for it :p ).
I think it would've been better if we'd decided to not see and talk to eachother for some time until we'd be both over it. Maybe then try to start seeing eachother as friends again. Although I doubt that would've worked for me.

In the end you should do what's best for you so long as you don't stay hung up on her ( am I saying that right?).
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Posted 28 August 2015 - 10:22 AM

View PostGavril, on 28 August 2015 - 07:14 AM, said:

View PostGredfallan Ale, on 26 August 2015 - 06:27 PM, said:

View PostGavril, on 26 August 2015 - 05:59 PM, said:

Exams and women are messing with my groove. Ever since I started university exams completly messed up my groove. Women started doing that about a year later. Only one week to go and I can finally enjoy a month long holiday!

And then compared to al the other posts I can only realize how stupid I sound... :p


Don't belittle yourself or your feelings too much. Exams can be pretty pressing, psychologically speaking, and women, well, let me just say that they make life interesting.*




*) I broke up with my ex, what is it, three months ago. We enjoyed a very good friendship prior to our relationship and we're trying to continue that. It seems to be working, but it does not help me getting over her. However, I would feel even worse if our friendship had ended as well.



I don't belittle myself though... I just don't have it that bad. Just need to press through, and I wouldn't call it interesting... :p

If it were me I couldn't stay friends. Atleast not until I'd be over her. I had it happen twice and twice we tried to stay good friends but it only ended up us both fighting more because we couldn't get over eachother, but we couldn't get back together either. Now we don't speak at all anymore and I doubt we ever will after all that's said and done. That's really bugging me lately (although my girlfriend is very happy for it :p ).
I think it would've been better if we'd decided to not see and talk to eachother for some time until we'd be both over it. Maybe then try to start seeing eachother as friends again. Although I doubt that would've worked for me.

In the end you should do what's best for you so long as you don't stay hung up on her ( am I saying that right?).


It is hard to lose ones best friend, believe me I know. However, it is a terrible idea to try to remain friends with your ex when the feelings are still there. It will make it all but impossible to get over her. The best you can do for yourself, and for your friendship with the ex, is to cut contact until you're properly over her. Anything else will end in disaster.
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Posted 28 August 2015 - 02:00 PM

View PostMorgoth, on 28 August 2015 - 10:22 AM, said:

View PostGavril, on 28 August 2015 - 07:14 AM, said:

View PostGredfallan Ale, on 26 August 2015 - 06:27 PM, said:

View PostGavril, on 26 August 2015 - 05:59 PM, said:

Exams and women are messing with my groove. Ever since I started university exams completly messed up my groove. Women started doing that about a year later. Only one week to go and I can finally enjoy a month long holiday!

And then compared to al the other posts I can only realize how stupid I sound... :p


Don't belittle yourself or your feelings too much. Exams can be pretty pressing, psychologically speaking, and women, well, let me just say that they make life interesting.*




*) I broke up with my ex, what is it, three months ago. We enjoyed a very good friendship prior to our relationship and we're trying to continue that. It seems to be working, but it does not help me getting over her. However, I would feel even worse if our friendship had ended as well.



I don't belittle myself though... I just don't have it that bad. Just need to press through, and I wouldn't call it interesting... :p

If it were me I couldn't stay friends. Atleast not until I'd be over her. I had it happen twice and twice we tried to stay good friends but it only ended up us both fighting more because we couldn't get over eachother, but we couldn't get back together either. Now we don't speak at all anymore and I doubt we ever will after all that's said and done. That's really bugging me lately (although my girlfriend is very happy for it :p ).
I think it would've been better if we'd decided to not see and talk to eachother for some time until we'd be both over it. Maybe then try to start seeing eachother as friends again. Although I doubt that would've worked for me.

In the end you should do what's best for you so long as you don't stay hung up on her ( am I saying that right?).


It is hard to lose ones best friend, believe me I know. However, it is a terrible idea to try to remain friends with your ex when the feelings are still there. It will make it all but impossible to get over her. The best you can do for yourself, and for your friendship with the ex, is to cut contact until you're properly over her. Anything else will end in disaster.


I'm anti- 'friends with the ex'. Unless there are kids involved, there is no good reason for it, just bad ones, like making the breaker feel better about it at the breakee's expense. You have friends in common... fine, be nice to each other when you're both present. You work together... same thing. But 'friends'... as in talking about your lives and important stuff and specifically the other people you're dating... fuck that. No one needs that and no one needs to do that to someone else except for selfish reasons. I'm sure there are a handful of exceptions (that i've never witnessed), but drill down and they pretty much prove the rule.
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Posted 28 August 2015 - 02:06 PM

Burned my tongue on volcanic McDonalds Coffee this morning.

That's what I get for not going to Timmies.
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Posted 28 August 2015 - 02:09 PM

View PostQuickTidal, on 28 August 2015 - 02:06 PM, said:

Burned my tongue on volcanic McDonalds Coffee this morning.

That's what I get for not going to Timmies.


I can only assume this is some sort of euphemism.
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Posted 28 August 2015 - 02:15 PM

View PostMorgoth, on 28 August 2015 - 02:09 PM, said:

View PostQuickTidal, on 28 August 2015 - 02:06 PM, said:

Burned my tongue on volcanic McDonalds Coffee this morning.

That's what I get for not going to Timmies.


I can only assume this is some sort of euphemism.


Good thing he didn't spill the coffee in his lap.
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Posted 28 August 2015 - 02:23 PM

View PostMorgoth, on 28 August 2015 - 02:09 PM, said:

View PostQuickTidal, on 28 August 2015 - 02:06 PM, said:

Burned my tongue on volcanic McDonalds Coffee this morning.

That's what I get for not going to Timmies.


I can only assume this is some sort of euphemism.


Timmies = Tim Hortons (Canada's premier coffee outlet)....USUALLY better than McD's...but sometimes I branch out.

Which reminds me, it was hella hard to find decent coffee in Oslo...where do you go for it in case I come back to visit Norway ever again?

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View PostMorgoth, on 28 August 2015 - 02:09 PM, said:

View PostQuickTidal, on 28 August 2015 - 02:06 PM, said:

Burned my tongue on volcanic McDonalds Coffee this morning.

That's what I get for not going to Timmies.


I can only assume this is some sort of euphemism.


Good thing he didn't spill the coffee in his lap.


Heyo!

But seriously true. My junk would have been scalded by the molten lava McD's put in the cup.
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Posted 28 August 2015 - 02:26 PM

Oslo has actually been awarded best city for coffee in the world. Norwegians drink an absurd amount of coffee. Best to find a local coffee place though, and not an international chain - as with restaurants really.

I'll help you find one if you come here again, but only if you promise not to eat at Fridays!
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Posted 28 August 2015 - 02:45 PM

View PostMorgoth, on 28 August 2015 - 02:26 PM, said:

Oslo has actually been awarded best city for coffee in the world. Norwegians drink an absurd amount of coffee. Best to find a local coffee place though, and not an international chain - as with restaurants really.

I'll help you find one if you come here again, but only if you promise not to eat at Fridays!


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Posted 28 August 2015 - 02:48 PM

View PostMorgoth, on 28 August 2015 - 02:26 PM, said:

Oslo has actually been awarded best city for coffee in the world. Norwegians drink an absurd amount of coffee. Best to find a local coffee place though, and not an international chain - as with restaurants really.

I'll help you find one if you come here again, but only if you promise not to eat at Fridays!


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Posted 28 August 2015 - 03:53 PM

View PostQuickTidal, on 28 August 2015 - 02:06 PM, said:

Burned my tongue on volcanic McDonalds Coffee this morning.

That's what I get for not going to Timmies.


Serves you right for such an unpatriotic decision.

I had a glorious dark roast with those evil nutella churros things and my day has been AWESOME.
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Posted 28 August 2015 - 03:56 PM

View PostQuickTidal, on 28 August 2015 - 02:23 PM, said:

View PostMorgoth, on 28 August 2015 - 02:09 PM, said:

View PostQuickTidal, on 28 August 2015 - 02:06 PM, said:

Burned my tongue on volcanic McDonalds Coffee this morning.

That's what I get for not going to Timmies.


I can only assume this is some sort of euphemism.


Timmies = Tim Hortons (Canada's premier coffee outlet)....USUALLY better than McD's...but sometimes I branch out.

Which reminds me, it was hella hard to find decent coffee in Oslo...where do you go for it in case I come back to visit Norway ever again?

View PostVengeance, on 28 August 2015 - 02:15 PM, said:

View PostMorgoth, on 28 August 2015 - 02:09 PM, said:

View PostQuickTidal, on 28 August 2015 - 02:06 PM, said:

Burned my tongue on volcanic McDonalds Coffee this morning.

That's what I get for not going to Timmies.


I can only assume this is some sort of euphemism.


Good thing he didn't spill the coffee in his lap.


Heyo!

But seriously true. My junk would have been scalded by the molten lava McD's put in the cup.




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Posted 28 August 2015 - 04:04 PM

View PostAbyss, on 28 August 2015 - 03:56 PM, said:

Attn: Department of Canadian Genetic Purity of Canada
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Initiate Plan B.


Uh, Moose meat?

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Posted 28 August 2015 - 04:12 PM

View PostMorgoth, on 28 August 2015 - 02:26 PM, said:

Oslo has actually been awarded best city for coffee in the world. Norwegians drink an absurd amount of coffee. Best to find a local coffee place though, and not an international chain - as with restaurants really.

I'll help you find one if you come here again, but only if you promise not to eat at Fridays!


Oslo has now become the city I most want to visit
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Posted 28 August 2015 - 11:18 PM

View PostAndorion, on 28 August 2015 - 04:12 PM, said:

View PostMorgoth, on 28 August 2015 - 02:26 PM, said:

Oslo has actually been awarded best city for coffee in the world. Norwegians drink an absurd amount of coffee. Best to find a local coffee place though, and not an international chain - as with restaurants really.

I'll help you find one if you come here again, but only if you promise not to eat at Fridays!


Oslo has now become the city I most want to visit


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