[Mrs Savagely Wishy Washy]

QuickTidal, on 13 February 2012 - 02:50 PM, said:

Strangely enough AIJ, the most sound advice comes from Macros, whom I agree with entirely.
[......]

this whole issue.....smells like teen spirit!

This post has been edited by Miss Savage: 13 February 2012 - 03:45 PM

[Loki]

Question - how accurate are visual genetic signs? Let me explain what I mean -

I couldn't get to sleep so I was absently looking at things on Facebook when I suddenly noticed that my friend has brown eyes but both his parents have blue eyes. Now, from what I recall from biology two blue-eyed people always have blue-eyed children but I know high school genetics is simplified so that may not be completely accurate. I tried googling it but I got too many differing results. Either way, it made me take a closer look at his photos and I noticed that his dad has a cleft chin but my friend doesn't - now I remember cleft chins being a dominate characteristic. Now, I know it could all be nothing and it's just circumstancial but I can't help looking at my friend's mum now and wondering........

This post has been edited by Loki: 13 February 2012 - 04:24 PM

[QuickTidal]

Loki, on 13 February 2012 - 03:08 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 13 February 2012 - 02:50 PM, said:

- It's just a formal, not her wedding. It's NOT as big a deal as folk seem to say it is.

Does Mrs QT think her prom wasn't a big deal? Maybe you guys don't think that your Formal or your Prom means much but most of the guys and girls I know would say otherwise.

I've asked her. She remembers who she went with, but the specifics of the night are entirely lost 15 years later. She can't even conjure up the dress she was wearing (without referring to pictures). To me a wedding is a big deal since it's about who you choose to spend your life with, and thus ought to be memorable. A high school prom or formal is almost never going to include someone with whom you will share any life past HS (unless you are a rare case who marries your HS sweetheart ect.), and is essentially a school-crafted, chaperoned party to celebrate the fact that you are nearing the end of or have reached the end of highschool. In the long run it is of very little importance, and I think the adult women I know would all agree with me. Sure, it SEEMS like a big deal at the time, but it's not really, and all it takes is time to see that. If I ask Mrs. QT to name her top things she looks back upon most fondly in life...I doubt that her formal would crack the top twenty. In fact, I'd wager that's true of many adult women.

[Loki]

That's how she feels about it now. I meant how DID she feel about it at the time?

It genuinely surprises me that the prom is of such low-level importance especially given how it is portrayed in the media, films, tv etc.

[Abyss]

Ain, on 12 February 2012 - 01:50 PM, said:

Well, pursuant to my previous post, I now have roused the ire of two of my female friends....

JLV, on 13 February 2012 - 01:03 AM, said:

I would argue that you should do exactly what will get you laid, and nothing more.

Yep.

Loki, on 13 February 2012 - 12:52 PM, said:

My ear is bleeding...... :S

Sorry. Aim was off.

[QuickTidal]

Loki, on 13 February 2012 - 05:02 PM, said:

That's how she feels about it now. I meant how DID she feel about it at the time?

I'm sure it was a big deal at the time. That doesn't make it any more or less rational. It just doesn't matter in the long run...at all.

One could argue that EVERYTHING is/or seems important at the time. Hindsight and all. I just think that getting worked up over a HS formal is silly, since most people won't remember it anyways.

My advice to AIJ stands. Take the girl to the formal, show her a good time, make sure she gets home safe afterwards and then head off to party number 2. I just don't see what's wrong with that at all. She's not his GF, I think if he does the above he ought to be commended for the favour of accompanying her and seeing she has a good time. What more is expected here?

Are the girls here under the impression he owes her something else that night after the festivities wind down? Because he doesn't.

[Loki]

Meh, I don't care. I was just curious as to the level of importance teenagers in Canada and the States give to the prom

[QuickTidal]

Loki, on 13 February 2012 - 05:39 PM, said:

Meh, I don't care. I was just curious as to the level of importance teenagers in Canada and the States give to the prom

I can't speak for the States, but here we don't do proms persay...we do Formal's though and while they are a made a biggish deal, they are in no way treated as anything other than a swanky dance.

My niece is almost 16, for example, and she (nor her friends) are at all excited about the prospect or a glorified dance that is her Senior formal.

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 13 February 2012 - 05:49 PM

[Abyss]

QuickTidal, on 13 February 2012 - 05:47 PM, said:

...My niece is almost 16, for example, and she (nor her friends) are at all excited about the prospect or a glorified dance that is her Senior formal.

And you believe her?

[Lusipher]

Loki, on 13 February 2012 - 05:39 PM, said:

Meh, I don't care. I was just curious as to the level of importance teenagers in Canada and the States give to the prom

In my part of the US, Philadelphia suburbs, the junior and senior proms are pretty big. I hate them now and I did when I was in high school and have no regrets for skipping that crap back then. They're stupid wastes of time and money, but to each their own (except my daughter, she's not going to any of them and has no say in the matter!). Just don't bang other people over the head with it. I got the feeling that in Southern California, where I lived for eight years, proms were a bigger deal, but I don't have any firsthand knowledge of that, outside of what I observed in department stores.

[Anomander]

Tapper, on 13 February 2012 - 03:28 PM, said:

(well, maybe they do nowadays, we now also have Halloween )

You're mad! Halloween/Samhain is one of the best times of the year!

Loki, on 13 February 2012 - 05:02 PM, said:

It genuinely surprises me that the prom is of such low-level importance especially given how it is portrayed in the media, films, tv etc.

It's the after-party that most look forward too, and said party is usually what everyone will remember about the night.

[Loki]

Abyss, on 13 February 2012 - 05:11 PM, said:

Loki, on 13 February 2012 - 12:52 PM, said:

My ear is bleeding...... :S

Sorry. Aim was off.

[QuickTidal]

Abyss, on 13 February 2012 - 06:06 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 13 February 2012 - 05:47 PM, said:

...My niece is almost 16, for example, and she (nor her friends) are at all excited about the prospect or a glorified dance that is her Senior formal.

And you believe her?

Sadly, I do. My niece is more concerned with her own partying with her friends than any dance the school will put on.

[D'rek]

QuickTidal, on 13 February 2012 - 05:32 PM, said:

Loki, on 13 February 2012 - 05:02 PM, said:

That's how she feels about it now. I meant how DID she feel about it at the time?

I'm sure it was a big deal at the time. That doesn't make it any more or less rational. It just doesn't matter in the long run...at all.

One could argue that EVERYTHING is/or seems important at the time. Hindsight and all. I just think that getting worked up over a HS formal is silly, since most people won't remember it anyways.

My advice to AIJ stands. Take the girl to the formal, show her a good time, make sure she gets home safe afterwards and then head off to party number 2. I just don't see what's wrong with that at all. She's not his GF, I think if he does the above he ought to be commended for the favour of accompanying her and seeing she has a good time. What more is expected here?

Wait, when did rationale come into this?

QuickTidal, on 13 February 2012 - 05:32 PM, said:

Are the girls here under the impression he owes her something else that night after the festivities wind down? Because he doesn't.

No, but he doesn't get entitled to leave early either!

[Macros]

So he now has no free will?

[Adjutant Stormy~]

God damn it I've been on such a losing streak...

[D'rek]

Macros, on 13 February 2012 - 11:51 PM, said:

So he now has no free will?

If this is in reply to what I said --> (I'm going to try and be delicate with my wording here!) IMO, by agreeing to escort his friend to her prom he agreed to escort her to ALL of it, even the part that other people earlier have said is crappy because it is winding down and half the people have left (it wasn't like that for me so I have no idea what you're all talking about!). If he couldn't escort her to all of the event he should have said that up front when they arranged this in the first place. What if she really wants her escort to be there right until the end, and now AIJ says he has to leave early? For this kind of event it is very hard now for her to find someone else to take to the prom who will stay to the end.

[MTS]

Oh, he has free will, but there's a difference between exercising that free will and leaving or staying and being a good friend. From the start I've never understood why he has to leave early to make this party anyway. There'll be an after-party anyway, why does he have to leave early in the first place? Most of you have said parties don't really start until later regardless, and the formal won't go that late.

[Macros]

I think ours quit about 3am

[Silencer]

ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!


There's a whole new, separate thread for romantic advice/relationship discussion now. Can we please stop cluttering the Groove thread with a DEBATE about the finer points of formal/prom importance and etiquette? XD