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quote:Originally posted by Hetan:
These sound more like a Tiste race characterisitic?
True. Was it male or female ? Cant remember...
Phaed or Nimander perhaps ?
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Posted 08 May 2005 - 08:20 AM
What puzzled me about the jaghut jhenna who tries to escape from deadhouse is this... she is apparently the unwilling guardian of the azath, and tries to escape, yet as I recall gothos is the guardian of the deadhouse and I had assumed he had been there for a long time, but this seems to not be the case.
As to temper, he's just a man with moderate ability with the sword who is quite strong, he's not going to be able to stand up to Rood a hugely powerful hound of shadow, he only managed to stand up to the jaghut because of the help of the azath in my opinion.
And Temper wasn't rescued by dancer from the hound, he was rescued by the shadow acolytes, who may have recognised him due to the helmet, he is fairly famous after all to all those who watched the battle of Y'ghatan.
I wouldn't say that temper is now the azath guardian, seeing as he left the house, I think that role belongs to either jhenna still or someone else will take the role at another time.
I seem to remember a passing reference to something in the straits between malaz isle by kalam which were inhabited by the stormriders, something about the jakartan pirates, perhaps most people do not believe in the existence of the stormriders and don’t pass through the straits because of rumoured pirate activity.
As to tays knowing the power of osserc, he doesn't, osserc is just rumoured to be the most powerful of mages, and so he assumed that only the most powerful of mages would have been able to hold it off, as he didn't think he could.
And the guy who was holding off the storm was supposedly a simple fisherman, not kelanved, that guy intrigues me more than anyone else in the book who was he, why was he so powerful?
Agayla being jhess queen of weaving makes sense, but I don't think we can confirm that.
And there’s only one jaghut, jhenna the azath guardian who is trying to escape, and I think she has something to do with the stormriders.
Oh and tays seems to have a similar description, save his eyes are completely different, he has sunken black eyes, whilst banaschar has flaming eyes as I recall.
Oh and anyone else think that Faro balkat and Trenech are nameless ones? If not who are they? Oh and there seems to be a lot of swearing by the nameless ones... which we haven't seen in other books...
As to temper, he's just a man with moderate ability with the sword who is quite strong, he's not going to be able to stand up to Rood a hugely powerful hound of shadow, he only managed to stand up to the jaghut because of the help of the azath in my opinion.
And Temper wasn't rescued by dancer from the hound, he was rescued by the shadow acolytes, who may have recognised him due to the helmet, he is fairly famous after all to all those who watched the battle of Y'ghatan.
I wouldn't say that temper is now the azath guardian, seeing as he left the house, I think that role belongs to either jhenna still or someone else will take the role at another time.
I seem to remember a passing reference to something in the straits between malaz isle by kalam which were inhabited by the stormriders, something about the jakartan pirates, perhaps most people do not believe in the existence of the stormriders and don’t pass through the straits because of rumoured pirate activity.
As to tays knowing the power of osserc, he doesn't, osserc is just rumoured to be the most powerful of mages, and so he assumed that only the most powerful of mages would have been able to hold it off, as he didn't think he could.
And the guy who was holding off the storm was supposedly a simple fisherman, not kelanved, that guy intrigues me more than anyone else in the book who was he, why was he so powerful?
Agayla being jhess queen of weaving makes sense, but I don't think we can confirm that.
And there’s only one jaghut, jhenna the azath guardian who is trying to escape, and I think she has something to do with the stormriders.
Oh and tays seems to have a similar description, save his eyes are completely different, he has sunken black eyes, whilst banaschar has flaming eyes as I recall.
Oh and anyone else think that Faro balkat and Trenech are nameless ones? If not who are they? Oh and there seems to be a lot of swearing by the nameless ones... which we haven't seen in other books...
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Posted 17 May 2005 - 11:55 AM
Agreed on the timeline.
Just in relation to Y'ghatan, was that the place where there was a fire storm or something like it, and where Kalam and Quick Ben (probably as defenders) found out what happened to otataral when it get hot? Of course this info is from the Erikson novels; there was no mention of a firestorm (or the rat Diver's whose name I have forgotten) in NoK. (Gryllen that's it, "flushed out of Y'ghatan into the fire")
Just in relation to Y'ghatan, was that the place where there was a fire storm or something like it, and where Kalam and Quick Ben (probably as defenders) found out what happened to otataral when it get hot? Of course this info is from the Erikson novels; there was no mention of a firestorm (or the rat Diver's whose name I have forgotten) in NoK. (Gryllen that's it, "flushed out of Y'ghatan into the fire")
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Posted 08 May 2005 - 04:47 AM
quote:How is Dassem's physique described?
There is no idea of height given, although the idea is of stature by nature.
He is described as having long black hair, plaited back and tied at the neck, with blazing black eyes.
His helmet has a black horse-hair plume.
IMNSHO he is the coolest of cool dudes...
quote:The other characters like Temper etc, how are they described in terms of arms and armour, power etc.
Temper took on Rood.........and he managed to hurt it before shadow acolytes called the hound off.... He also took on the Jaghut...and lived
He was armed with sword, shield and heavy armour when he fought as Dassem’s sword.
His helmet is identified as black steel with articulated lobster tail neck guard and T-shaped vision slit.
Later he carries two swords belted across his back with daggers in hilts at his hips.
I get the idea that he’s a pretty big guy....
quote:Interesting about the Jaghut trying to escape from the Azath, any more info on that, a name and motivation?
Her name is Jhenna... she doesn’t seem to have accepted her incarceration at all.
quote:Who is this "Obo" then? Race, physical description, why would you consider him powerful?
He is described as an old man in shapeless brown robes, bald with a fringe of long white hair. Apparently the purge of talent in Malaz City ordered by Surly had serious repercussions. It’s a bit tricky to explain all that here. Anyways, Tayschrenn refers to Obo and Agayla as two powers facing annihilation under the heels of an enemy of incalculable might.... so that’s good enough for me.
quote:Re-Crimson Guard; Skinner again. He seems to be truly top notch. Is he mage or warrior, or both? Anything on the Prince himself?
“It was said the Avowed were unstoppable, but Dassem had slain every one who had challenged him, except Skinner”. Nothing on the Prince.
quote:Any thoughts on who the new major character might be, the one haven't met yet but who will feature in TBH, according to Patch..?
Did Patch say it was a character from NoK? I don’t recall. I suppose it could be Temper....it could be Kiska... it could be Ferrule who also escaped Surly’s trap.
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Posted 08 June 2005 - 01:14 AM
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Posted 04 July 2005 - 10:12 AM
I love that film...re: the patronship.. made me think of mortal sword initially..
I also remembered that one of QB's souls had a sword described as "blazing with the blessing of some unknown ascendant".
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Posted 21 June 2005 - 07:53 PM
i was under the impression that the stormriders were jaghut of a sort(dead, shades, spirits etc), what with all the ice lances n all. i could be wrong tho
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Posted 08 May 2005 - 03:41 AM
Sounds very cool Hetan, thanks for that.
In fact there is quite a lot on Dassem Ultor and it's going to revive the entire Dassem = Traveller debate again
How is Dassem's physique described?
The other characters like Temper etc, how are they described in terms of arms and armour, power etc.
Interesting about the Jaghut trying to escape from the Azath, any more info on that, a name and motivation?
Who is this "Obo" then? Race, physical description, why would you consider him powerful?
Re-Crimson Guard; Skinner again. He seems to be truly top notch. Is he mage or warrior, or both? Anything on the Prince himself?
Any thoughts on who the new major character might be, the one haven't met yet but who will feature in TBH, according to Patch..?
In fact there is quite a lot on Dassem Ultor and it's going to revive the entire Dassem = Traveller debate again
How is Dassem's physique described?
The other characters like Temper etc, how are they described in terms of arms and armour, power etc.
Interesting about the Jaghut trying to escape from the Azath, any more info on that, a name and motivation?
Who is this "Obo" then? Race, physical description, why would you consider him powerful?
Re-Crimson Guard; Skinner again. He seems to be truly top notch. Is he mage or warrior, or both? Anything on the Prince himself?
Any thoughts on who the new major character might be, the one haven't met yet but who will feature in TBH, according to Patch..?
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Posted 12 May 2005 - 06:01 AM
quote:Originally posted by Kamek:
The stormriders bothered me too for a while, they just didn't seem to fit in with the world we'd seen before. But then when their origins were revealed, I was much happier. Reminds me of the Crippled God.
Yes, their attack etc had that feel about them.
quote:Did we know Tayschreen used to serve D'rek, the Worm of Autumn, before whoever he serves now? Or maybe he serves no one now but the Empire. Anyway, he mentions D'rek as his "old master", and seems to even have stood before him in some form. Which I guess is no surprise given his power.
This has been mentioned before.
quote:I wonder if Shadowthrone truly doesn't know about whatever Edgewalker was talking about at the end, or if he does and doesn't care that he can't truly have the Throne of Shadow (as seems to be the case), as he and Cotillion have much more ambitious plans if hints are to be believed, and heading Shadowhouse is just a stepping stone. I guess the last person/thing to think they took the throne was a long, long time ago, as surely if it wasn't the House of Shadows would have kept appearing and disappearing in the Deck of Dragons and people wouldn't have expressed such surprise at the new house when Shadowthrone took over. Must have been before they could even remember.
Kellanved and Dancer don't know as much about their realm as they think... remember the excerpt with Apt and boy.... he could see things that Dancer couldn't...
quote:I thought it was very amusing how Dancer got into the Deadhouse as fast as he could, but Kellanved stayed cool and looked around first. I'm not sure if that's a sign of his arrogance, insanity or a mixture of both, but it was good.
.. and I thought he was looking around to make sure there were no observers left... hence his trying to get Kiska to cross the wall into the house..
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Posted 09 June 2005 - 07:32 AM
Korlat of Tayschren in MOI - This is High Tellas - the Warren of Fire - child of Tellan
It would seem his use of Tellas gives him access to Thyr too, if Thyr is a child of tellan also.
It would seem his use of Tellas gives him access to Thyr too, if Thyr is a child of tellan also.
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Posted 16 May 2005 - 11:27 PM
@ IH....
Have you any idea of timeline here?
I was thinking about how this fits in with the prologue of GoTM - always a dodgy subject I know.
Have you any idea of timeline here?
I was thinking about how this fits in with the prologue of GoTM - always a dodgy subject I know.
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Posted 08 May 2005 - 06:43 AM
quote:Originally posted by ceda:
so we can therefore conclude the long running debate of who is more powerful.. rake of tay..
rake = osserc.
osserc >>>>> tay
hmmm
I'm not sure I understood you there.... can you elaborate on your theory please
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Posted 11 May 2005 - 11:33 AM
correct, kalahinen
And i also would enjoy ICE writing a few novels about koreli and assail.
And i also would enjoy ICE writing a few novels about koreli and assail.
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Posted 09 May 2005 - 12:54 PM
Well the sides facing each other isn't really clearcut... there’s kelanved dancer and the talons fighting lasseen and her claws. Temper, exmember of dassems sword fighting pretty much everybody, a group of ex-bridgeburners who are going for lasseen, the hounds and various shadow creatures creating havoc everywhere, tays who gets in a fight with soem shadow cult members, and well there’s a few others floating around...
And then there's the ice spectres assaulting the entire island, with tays and some other powerful figures opposing that, and then a jaghut trying to break out of the azath being opposed by everyone.
So yeah... no real clearcut sides there... chaos sums it up nicely I think
And the ice spectres... well that’s sort of complicated and not fully explained, there is a hint that they have somethign to do with the jaghut, and may I have been released accidentally by them, they have icelike powers, swim aroudn in the sea, they generally swim in the straits next to malaz isle and sink ships, but in the book they mount a full out assault on the isle of malaz possibly to free the trapped jaghut
And then there's the ice spectres assaulting the entire island, with tays and some other powerful figures opposing that, and then a jaghut trying to break out of the azath being opposed by everyone.
So yeah... no real clearcut sides there... chaos sums it up nicely I think
And the ice spectres... well that’s sort of complicated and not fully explained, there is a hint that they have somethign to do with the jaghut, and may I have been released accidentally by them, they have icelike powers, swim aroudn in the sea, they generally swim in the straits next to malaz isle and sink ships, but in the book they mount a full out assault on the isle of malaz possibly to free the trapped jaghut
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Posted 22 June 2005 - 05:54 PM
i don't think thats right
all of lorn's family were killed in the mouse fire that happen the year previously to NoK. yet kiska's mother is still alive in NoK.
all of lorn's family were killed in the mouse fire that happen the year previously to NoK. yet kiska's mother is still alive in NoK.
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Posted 26 July 2005 - 02:55 AM
Yup. That was me 
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Posted 20 June 2005 - 07:05 PM
this was the first time that we have met ferrule, but he may turn up later. someone earlier in this thread suggested that he may be banashar(a character from the bonehunters prologue).
however one of the captains on the chain of dogs was the son of someone in dassem's sword. chenned i think?
however one of the captains on the chain of dogs was the son of someone in dassem's sword. chenned i think?
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Posted 03 July 2005 - 02:25 AM
re: aragan- aragan is a character that erikson was going to include as a bit part in every book but couldnt place him in HoC so it died there. he was sorry's recruiting sargeant in GotM, a captain that kalam met in mock's hold in DG, and the ambassador at Coral in MoI. He was the soldier who accosted kiska's aunt during the prohibition on magery.
re: jhess- jhess in the queen of weaving, a minor ascendant and whenever is seen weaving or knitting, someone on this board wants to name tham as jhess
re: riders - i still think that the riders are trapped souls of jhagut. i dont think that they are alien to the realm, not in the same way as the crippled god and the jade statues.
re: fisherman - i like the idea of the fisherman being chem, that sounds right!
re: temper- i think that the guardianship part is confusing, temper was only a gatekeeper, with a temporary alliance with the nameless ones in the heat of the moment. he never entered the house. he is different to gothos and moby. btw moby replaced a dead forkrul assail who's body was found in tremorlor.
re: patronship - i think that patronship just means that they worships the god significant to their profession. for soldiers this is fener, togg, hood etc.
re: cultists - i'm pretty sure that the shadow cultist are all talons, maybe they turned into a shadow cult to copy their master's desires.
re: jhess- jhess in the queen of weaving, a minor ascendant and whenever is seen weaving or knitting, someone on this board wants to name tham as jhess
re: riders - i still think that the riders are trapped souls of jhagut. i dont think that they are alien to the realm, not in the same way as the crippled god and the jade statues.
re: fisherman - i like the idea of the fisherman being chem, that sounds right!
re: temper- i think that the guardianship part is confusing, temper was only a gatekeeper, with a temporary alliance with the nameless ones in the heat of the moment. he never entered the house. he is different to gothos and moby. btw moby replaced a dead forkrul assail who's body was found in tremorlor.
re: patronship - i think that patronship just means that they worships the god significant to their profession. for soldiers this is fener, togg, hood etc.
re: cultists - i'm pretty sure that the shadow cultist are all talons, maybe they turned into a shadow cult to copy their master's desires.
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Posted 03 July 2005 - 05:34 AM
I'm not sure about Edgewalker being an Imass..he's not quite right is he? a Tiste sounds better as has been suggested...
I want to know why he is referred to as the Elder One..with a capital E
IIRC K'rul was referred to as Eldering One in GotM
I want to know why he is referred to as the Elder One..with a capital E
IIRC K'rul was referred to as Eldering One in GotM
