[Sinisdar Toste]

... i think i found two more.

Pg. 742 TtH, monkrat and spindle

M:"Duiker?"
S: "the imperial historian-"
M: "i know who he is - was - whatever. it's just, that don't fit, him being there, i mean."
S: "Aye, he didn't fit well at all. He was on the Chain of Dogs."
Monkrat made a gesture. Fener's blessing.
Spindle's eyes widened. he sheathed his knife. "i've worked up a thirst, Monkrat."

only the last bit is significant. feners blessing is not spoken. its used to describe the gesture. spindle recognizes it and all of a sudden he's sheathing his knife and inviting the guy to have a drink.

what do y'all think? seems gesler was a little more than mistaken in his DG assertation that he stormy and truth were the last of the boar cult.

[Cougar]

That's a good spot, but I think it's fairly common for soldiers to pray to the god of war. Seems like another example of SE leading us astray with people believing their own perceptions to be the truth when in fact they are wrong.

[Urb]

RG, on bantam hardcover page 733, said:

'But what's the point of that, Look? The cult is dead. It's been dead for years.'
'Ain't dead for us, though, is it?'
'Mostly,' answered Shoaly.
'That's you all right, Shoaly,' Lookback said. Always seeing the dying and dead side of things.'
'So go ask 'em, Look. And they'll tell you the same. Fener cult's finished.'
'That's why I think we should kill them. For betraying the cult. For betraying us. And what's with that gold skin anyway? It's creepy.'

There are probably a few of them around. Wasn't there also a boar statue in a house in the first human village Karsa attacked? Nathilog?

[Abyss]

Gesler and co. may have just thought so and been wrong. Coastal marines seemed pretty isolated.

But that said, Fener is invoked about as often as say Beru and various other gods (save Hood who is near universally ref'd and whose descension is going to make swearing pretty frikkin complicated...) - it doesn't necessarily mean the person is a full blown swine cultist.


Urb - are you going clear back into HoC there?

- Abyss, sorry he missed the party where someone thought to start worshipping a big pig...

[L'oric]

I have to say that the sign is what seemed to convince Spindle to put away the blade and is a little more conclusive that Monkrat and even Spindle do have at least some connection to Fener's cult.

That being said nothing is proven with 100% certainty as of yet. When and if the two ever come across Stormy and Gesler and they confirm it by saying it or thinking it, then I will be 99.9% sure.

I like the idea of Monkrat and Spindle joining the group left in Darujhistan and then going off to war again. Who else might be out there I wonder. Iskar Jarak?....that would be too much, but I have hoped for shots just as long and been rewarded before.

[Urb]

Abyss;378363 said:

Urb - are you going clear back into HoC there?

Yup. A little statue mind. Part of a shrine or something, if I remember correctly (which is not always the case).

[Sinisdar Toste]

i agree it could more of that misdirection SE loves, but it still seems significant to me, enough to raise my suspicions. i guess we'll have to rafo

[Trenchgrave]

Maybe Gesler, Stormy and Truth were amongst the last active members of the cult, and that some of the other members renounced it during the purges or just drifted on as the leadership got demoted or drummed out of the army.

Or maybe they were more senior figures of the cult, maybe leadership level, with Truth as an initiate,and the other soldiers were just that.Soldiers in the cult. Without knowing more about the command structure (if there was one) and cult traditions and rituals it is hard to know.

Wasn't there a cult to Dassem as well? I can see soldiers worshipping their first sword, their iconic general who happens to be the knight of death. Mayhap this is a source of some of his power,and the seed from which the cult of that worships his aspect of tragedy today stems.Armies worshipping you and grieving for you may influence things considerably.

Just idle speculation and rambling.

[Trenchgrave]

True, I am just speculating that the armies may have been his original sources of power, enabling him to challange Hood, and formed the kernel of what the cult is now after what happened at the chaining

[bubba]

Now add this little tid-bit from Reapers Gale

US paper back page 1145

Stormy collected the flint sword and walked over to Legana Breed. 'You have been scaring a lot of people below.' he said.
"sensitive souls, you mortals.'
The marine held the sword out, hoizontally. 'Took your time getting out of that portal.'
Legana Breed grasped it. 'Nothing is ever as easy as it seems, Shield Anvil. Carry the pain in your heart and know this: you are far from finished with this world.'

[Abyss]

Urb;378400 said:

Yup. A little statue mind. Part of a shrine or something, if I remember correctly (which is not always the case).

Yep - Karsa smashes it when he's killing bounty hunters

Bubba;378840 said:

Now add this little tid-bit from Reapers Gale

US paper back page 1145

Stormy collected the flint sword...
Legana Breed grasped it. 'Nothing is ever as easy as it seems, Shield Anvil. ...'

This bit messed with us in a big way. My theory is that, like any good strategist, the Big Pig of War had a back-up Shield Anvil. If the Wolf Gods can have two shared between them (nowhere were the Grey Sword and Grey Helm MS/D/SA positions specifically to one Wolf god or the other, gender thing aside), if Heboric's post dead soul can switch between Destriant and SA because the situation demands it, if gods like Trake can just recruit MS/D/SAs without consent, and if, as Feather Witch tried to do, followers can almost insert themselves into those positions without even the gods' agreement, then why the hell shouldn't Battle Bacon have had a back-up SE just in case he needed one.

- Abyss, likes bacon.

[Mentalist]

hmm
well, 'byss we all know that I disagree about the wolves, since I believe the Grey Helms were called to replace the Gray Shields who got killed by the Letherii (TIMELINE IS NOT IMPORTANT)
also, the Legan breed thing was from tBH, no?

anywaaays.... where was I? oh yeah
the boar cult, if I'm not mistaken, involved a BOAR COMPANY (in one of the Malazan Armies--may have even been the First). it was later disbanded. as such, it's quite possible that there were former boar cultists floating around, BUT
since the BBs were part of the Second Army, and both Monkrat and Spindle were BBs, it's unlikely that they came from that company, since it presumably existed at the same time as the First Army.
also, I recall that the warpig's followers were strong on Falar--and as we all know there was only one Falari BB... so, another lack of connection there.

[Sinisdar Toste]

... i think i found two more.

Pg. 742 TtH, monkrat and spindle

M:"Duiker?"
S: "the imperial historian-"
M: "i know who he is - was - whatever. it's just, that don't fit, him being there, i mean."
S: "Aye, he didn't fit well at all. He was on the Chain of Dogs."
Monkrat made a gesture. Fener's blessing.
Spindle's eyes widened. he sheathed his knife. "i've worked up a thirst, Monkrat."

only the last bit is significant. feners blessing is not spoken. its used to describe the gesture. spindle recognizes it and all of a sudden he's sheathing his knife and inviting the guy to have a drink.

what do y'all think? seems gesler was a little more than mistaken in his DG assertation that he stormy and truth were the last of the boar cult.

[Cougar]

That's a good spot, but I think it's fairly common for soldiers to pray to the god of war. Seems like another example of SE leading us astray with people believing their own perceptions to be the truth when in fact they are wrong.

[Urb]

RG, on bantam hardcover page 733, said:

'But what's the point of that, Look? The cult is dead. It's been dead for years.'
'Ain't dead for us, though, is it?'
'Mostly,' answered Shoaly.
'That's you all right, Shoaly,' Lookback said. Always seeing the dying and dead side of things.'
'So go ask 'em, Look. And they'll tell you the same. Fener cult's finished.'
'That's why I think we should kill them. For betraying the cult. For betraying us. And what's with that gold skin anyway? It's creepy.'

There are probably a few of them around. Wasn't there also a boar statue in a house in the first human village Karsa attacked? Nathilog?

[Abyss]

Gesler and co. may have just thought so and been wrong. Coastal marines seemed pretty isolated.

But that said, Fener is invoked about as often as say Beru and various other gods (save Hood who is near universally ref'd and whose descension is going to make swearing pretty frikkin complicated...) - it doesn't necessarily mean the person is a full blown swine cultist.


Urb - are you going clear back into HoC there?

- Abyss, sorry he missed the party where someone thought to start worshipping a big pig...

[L'oric]

I have to say that the sign is what seemed to convince Spindle to put away the blade and is a little more conclusive that Monkrat and even Spindle do have at least some connection to Fener's cult.

That being said nothing is proven with 100% certainty as of yet. When and if the two ever come across Stormy and Gesler and they confirm it by saying it or thinking it, then I will be 99.9% sure.

I like the idea of Monkrat and Spindle joining the group left in Darujhistan and then going off to war again. Who else might be out there I wonder. Iskar Jarak?....that would be too much, but I have hoped for shots just as long and been rewarded before.

[Urb]

Abyss;378363 said:

Urb - are you going clear back into HoC there?

Yup. A little statue mind. Part of a shrine or something, if I remember correctly (which is not always the case).

[Sinisdar Toste]

i agree it could more of that misdirection SE loves, but it still seems significant to me, enough to raise my suspicions. i guess we'll have to rafo