[Mockra]

OK - for a start, symping? Really? You think I would be that obvious? That's just sad. It really is. I was voting Barghast for the same reasons, yes, but that a) means I have reasons, and tbh, if I don't really have any other reasons, why do anything else than say that I totally agree, and second, if I haven't had time to read up the thread, and don't put a vote in, then I get accused of being "non-confrontational", or "just sitting back and doing nothing".
Putting two votes on in four posts makes me stand out, yes? Why would I want to stand out? Tell me, please!
Second - we shouldn't discuss night actions. I know, it's not a normal game, but really, we start saying why the FM would do this, why this person somehow got picked to be killed...that makes it easier for people to discern roles and allegiances. Much as that's all well and good for other people to do, I was pointing out why people wouldn't do that, and found Tellan's request that we do a bit disconcerting, tbh.

[Mockra]

3 users viewing. No-one posting?

Oh, and Remove Vote

I don't think it's going anywhere (as I said last time).

I'm still re-reading, so I'll see who I want to vote for shortly.

[Hood's Path]

I'm wondering about things of the don's role:
1-If the don dies and his substitute also dies, what happens then?
2- If the don dies, does the substitute keep the "favours" of killing of dons?

[Korvalain]

Hood's Path, on Oct 9 2008, 09:09 AM, said:

I'm wondering about things of the don's role:
1-If the don dies and his substitute also dies, what happens then?

There is a chain of substitution down the hierarchy of the family, see the opening post for the order

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2- If the don dies, does the substitute keep the "favours" of killing of dons?

No, who ever gets the don role keeps the role he had before.

[Mockra]

Oh, and I want to know what's happening with the 12 or so people who haven't voted? That's a lot. Admittedly there was still a while left to go yesterday, but still.

I think I'll compare the lists of who votes first from the two days.

[Hood's Path]

I'm not voting yet until I see something that looks like a triad or FM since we'd be much better off with killing off those two. For the logic, those two either recruit, causing them to increase in number, or invade different alts, meaning it becomes a hard chance to hit them unless by a lucky lynch/poison.

[Mockra]

It's day 1. There's 15 hours and 42 minutes left of the day
Mockra, Omtose, Ruse, Serc, Fener, Galain, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Meanas, D'riss, Tellan,Tennes, Thyrllan

Meanas votes

It's day 1. There's 9 hours and 54 minutes left of the day
Mockra, Omtose, Ruse, Serc, Fener, Galain, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, D'riss, Tellan,Tennes, Thyrllan, Shadow

Ruse votes. D'riss votes. Tellan votes. Thyrllan votes.


It's day 1. There's 5 hours and 15 minutes left of the day
10 players have not voted: Mockra, Omtose, Serc, Fener, Galain, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Tennes, Shadow

It's day 1. There's 4 hours and 30 minutes left of the day
10 players have not voted: Mockra, Omtose, Serc, Fener, Galain, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Tennes, Shadow

Shadow votes. Omtose votes. Kaschan votes.
These 3 jump on straight after the 4 above. Quite literally less than an hour separates their votes.

Day Two
Korvalain votes. Ruse votes. Tellan votes. I vote. Barghast votes.
So...Ruse votes 'first' twice - last time he was followed.

it is day 2 You have 31.5 hours left.
18 players have not voted: Omtose, Serc, Fener, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Shadow, Barghast, D'riss, Emurlahn,Tellan,Tennes, Thyrllan

Gamelon votes. Kaschan votes.Emurlahn Votes

it is day 2 You have 25 hours lleft.
12 players have not voted: Omtose, Serc, Fener, Galain, Hood's Path, Liosan, Shadow, Barghast, D'riss, Tellan,Tennes, Thyrllan

Korvalain votes. Barghast Votes.

it is day 2 You have 23hours lleft.
12 players have not voted: Omtose, Serc, Fener, Galain, Hood's Path, Liosan, Shadow, D'riss, Tellan,Tennes, Thyrllan

Omtose votes. Tellan votes. Barghast votes. Emurlahn votes. Korvalain votes.



So...what can be drawn from this?
Day One
Meanas votes
Ruse votes. D'riss votes. Tellan votes. Thyrllan votes
Shadow votes. Omtose votes. Kaschan votes

Day Two
Korvalain votes. Ruse votes. Tellan votes. I vote. Barghast votes.
Gamelon votes. Kaschan votes.Emurlahn Votes
Korvalain votes. Barghast Votes.
Omtose votes. Tellan votes. Barghast votes. Emurlahn votes. Korvalain votes.

Day One - After Ruse, there are 6 votes inside of a couple of hours.
- Ruse is also one of the first to vote Day Two.
- Meanas is unlikely to be a leader, as no-one follows his vote for several hours (that being said, it's unlikely that a group jumped straight on).
Day Two - Korvalain jumps around. Barghast jumps around.

I'd say at this point, it's pretty hard to see any patterns, unless someone can see something I can't? I really look at Ruse, being one of the first voters on two days. And sitting with his votes. Barghast and Korvalain jump around a lot - they aren't really following each other, and they did sort of vote for each other. Just distancing? Possibly.
However, Ruse was voting for Korvalain yesterday. I suppose that he's voting for me today, as the majority are, but the case against me makes voting for me pretty fair.

[Mockra]

@HP - you do realize that a lot of people are calling my behavior like a FM symp or a Triad, right?

[Ruse]

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Day Two
Korvalain votes. Ruse votes. Tellan votes. I vote. Barghast votes.
Gamelon votes. Kaschan votes.Emurlahn Votes
Korvalain votes. Barghast Votes.
Omtose votes. Tellan votes. Barghast votes. Emurlahn votes. Korvalain votes.

Mockra, sir, you are (deliberately?) misinforming people here. And then, you are trying to build a case/an ordering of what happened on it.
Wooptie-fucking-doo, this way, you are digging your own grave by showing you are an unreliable git. Even if you survive today, no-one (outside of your own faction?) is going to trust you anymore.

The vote order was Korvalain, Mockra, Ruse.
I wouldn't even have been voting for you if there wasn't Korvalain and you voting on the same guy 6 posts into the new day.

[Mockra]

Ummmm.....yeah. I wasn't paying attention to order.
Some people did something called unvoting. And then some people changed their vote.

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This post has been edited by Mockra: 09 October 2008 - 07:48 AM

[Mockra]

And did you even read my first post just before? Would I be that stupid? Really? Because if you think so, then I'd have to say that you have a motivation to think that. You either want me dead - me, specifically, and no-one else - or you're just being obtuse.

[Ruse]

Mockra, on Oct 9 2008, 07:47 AM, said:

Ummmm.....yeah. I wasn't paying attention to order.
Some people did something called unvoting. And then some people changed their vote.

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Fixed code.

Heh. But if you try and develop a chain of who is following or leading whom, then order is important... you partly do:

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I really look at Ruse, being one of the first voters on two days.

[Tellan]

Ok, back for a post or two, then off to campus.

Mockra's back. Not an exceptional defense. Why would I draw attention to myself is always WIFOM territory. My vote stays for now. If someone makes a more convincing case I might switch votes, but I dont see that happening right now.

As for where I got 14%, to give you the exact math would be telling but you forgot to take into account that I removed myself, my don and one or two players I am fairly confident are in my team from my calculation. So it's 14% for me and me only. I highly doubt you can reverse engineer the numbers in order to tell you anything about me, I just stated it to show that I was confident I wasnt going to hit one of my own.

[Mockra]

Aha. Out of my entire response, you pick the one part where I said "why would I draw attention to myself".
How about the rest of it?

If you ask me, Korvalain is trying to get me lynched - that's surely a good reason to then vote the same as I did, yes?

[Mockra]

@Ruse - yes, because the people who voted first or who were followed quickly, were easy to pick out, and the most important. What does it matter if Ruse voted for me before I changed my vote? Does it make any difference? Was he following me, or another player? No.

[Ruse]

Mockra, on Oct 9 2008, 07:49 AM, said:

And did you even read my first post just before? Would I be that stupid? Really? Because if you think so, then I'd have to say that you have a motivation to think that. You either want me dead - me, specifically, and no-one else - or you're just being obtuse.

Oh, yes, I did read it. You could be, or you could pretend to be. If you feel you are going to die, you may take chances to bring stuff across. I do not believe that per se. But... I do think that lynching you or Korvalain will yield the information that is most beneficial to my faction and thus, to me. And I dislike your tandem with Korvalain (he's investing the most in it, right now).

Were I convinced you were Triad, I'd wait another day and see if the siamese twins become a threesome, though, as 'definate' proof.

Whether you live or die, the attention I draw to the two of you right now (and which I have consistently done, that is true, and has been my intention since you have been playing tag together) will at the least guarantee that your clanmates will not openly add to it, for fear of stepping too much into the open as a faction.

So yes, you could say that I am deliberately focusing on you and Korvalain with a strategic goal in mind.
Mathswise, it's quite beneficial, too. If your faction/ you/ anyone decides to remove me, it will show to all of us that my reasoning was correct, that there is a threat, and that will probably see you two killed/ lynched afterwards, and my faction comes out 1 guy ahead.

[Ruse]

out now to a meeting for a couple of hours.

[Korvalain]

Does anyone actually read the thread?

[Tellan]

The rest of your defense is pretty similar. Why would I make such an obvious symp? - WIFOM. And night actions tell us a lot I was shocked that Meanas got taken out as I didn't see anything he had done that was vig-worthy. Then someone else mentioned there was suspicion that he was a poisoner early in day one. Does that help the FM? Cant see how. Did it make me less confused. Definitely

And if a player turns up in an alt that he really shouldn't be in after tonight, I'm going to point it out and make a fuss. So I'm not saying we should discuss every night action to death, but we do have to look at them and on occasion throw theories out based on NA evidence. Ok, I'm late and have to go. I should be in just before the deadline later today.

[Mockra]

Ruse, on Oct 9 2008, 08:59 AM, said:

Were I convinced you were Triad, I'd wait another day and see if the siamese twins become a threesome, though, as 'definate' proof.

Whether you live or die, the attention I draw to the two of you right now (and which I have consistently done, that is true, and has been my intention since you have been playing tag together) will at the least guarantee that your clanmates will not openly add to it, for fear of stepping too much into the open as a faction.

So you don't want the rest of my "clanmates" (should they actually exist), to come out in the open? What? Surely you'd want them to reveal....
And right before this you say you'd wait to see if another player joins our act? Not only would the third player have to be a TRUE idiot to do so, that's exactly what you just said you didn't want to happen.