[Omtose]

@ Tellan just hit reply now

[Emurlahn]

Quick, get Barghast! Hes not from round hereabouts...A foreigner eh...Therefore not italian...Therefore....Triad or Cartel!!!

I dont want to get Tennes atm, because it is meta. If I lynch him, it will not be for that reason. If it comes up in spoilers, that we should have hit him for meta reasons, I will still think I have done the right thing. Meta should have no part in it. I will trust what the mod says, otherwise things could just fall apart. If PS says an important role has nothing to do with it, I'll believe him. And if it does, he's for it next game...
Doesn't mean he doesnt have an important role. The meta doesn't prove it however.

Edit: Also, since I reckon the FM/Triad will be hiding as inconspiciously as possible, what has happened to Liosan, Thyrllan and HP?

This post has been edited by Emurlahn: 08 October 2008 - 09:15 PM

[Omtose]

Emurlahn, on Oct 8 2008, 05:10 PM, said:

Quick, get Barghast! Hes not from round hereabouts...A foreigner eh...Therefore not italian...Therefore....Triad or Cartel!!!

I dont want to get Tennes atm, because it is meta. If I lynch him, it will not be for that reason. If it comes up in spoilers, that we should have hit him for meta reasons, I will still think I have done the right thing. Meta should have no part in it. I will trust what the mod says, otherwise things could just fall apart. If PS says an important role has nothing to do with it, I'll believe him. And if it does, he's for it next game...
Doesn't mean he doesnt have an important role. The meta doesn't prove it however.

I feel the same way.

The OMGUS vote was just to make a point. point being I didn't just do it. I defended, then I looked at the accuser, they tend to have things that cased can be made on also. So I point them out, still don't throw a vote out, then wait for a response.

Don't cry no time to me. I am the king of no time. But I try to play and I don't use it as a defense.

But anyway, point made remove vote

[Kaschan]

yeah, I agree that hetting tennes based on meta would not be fair to the player--not his fault, it's Khell's fault.
Find me a reason to vote for Tennes based on what he SAID, and I'll consider it.
Till then, I'm happy with my vote on the oh-so-silent-and-unopinionated HP.

Gotta run for a couple of hours, you all play nicely now!

[Emurlahn]

No time is gay. Still, if me and you have little time, and I know I do, what about most of those below us in the post count? I reckon at least one of them is lurking. Now, I doubt it's the lowest poster. Why? If it is lurking, you probably have time to post a bit, but choose not to. Most people know the lowest poster is a target, so I suggest we look at everyone reasonably low, instaed of just the lowest.

[Tellan]

Mockra, on Oct 8 2008, 10:40 AM, said:

Also avoiding the mod kill.

Vote Barghast

-I agree with Korvalain here.

Haven't had the time to do stuff today - full plate. My sincere apologies.

And the Kiwi's should all be on by now. Some have even been on all day. Silencer.

Mockra, on Oct 8 2008, 11:15 AM, said:

Aaaaaaaah. NO DISCUSSING THE REASON FOR THE KILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Unvote
Vote Tellan

Mockra, on Oct 8 2008, 11:19 AM, said:

Oh, and yes I was jumping on the bandwagon for Barghast. But as I said, I don't really have that much time. For example, I'm off to sleep now. Will get up tomorrow, have maybe an hour or two all day. And I like my free time.

Anyway, I can't see Tellan getting lynched, so my vote for him is easy, but the reasoning is fair - we should hardly ever (more like never) discuss the reasoning for night actions. Just leads to WIFOM and aides the killer/s.
See? Using my own brain. But I'd still like to vote for Barghast, if I get to read the full thread, maybe I'll change my mind. And we'll see how this is going in the morning.

Night all.

Aah, there we go. These are the three posts mockra made today. His first one basically just says he's on the forum, dont feel like sifting through the first 10 pages for it. So two votes in four posts. Coupled with the fact that him and Korv seem linked, but noone else has reacted to them. I think Korv called me triad once or twice as well, will need to look through all 80 something of his posts to check.

There's also only a 14% chance that one of them is my teammate, so I'm feeling reasonably safe with the following:

vote Mockra

[Shadow]

@Tellan: you just have to click add reply at the bottom of the page

@Barghast: To me its not fair to vote tennes just because he got replaced while serc got deaded..... If you want him dead make a case, build it up on logic and sound thinking and.... um scratch that, just give us a good reason and some of us might be inclined to vote him. (and using the reason that the mod replaced him is not going to do it for me)

At the moment, I see the votes are rather spread out. With omtose's self confessed lurking tactic (yes I am calling it lurking, even if it is in plain site), I would be inclined to vote there, but not yet, you know us having like 20 hours of day left.....

As to the Tellan train, I need to re read and see where that came from.
actually the same goes for the other votes too. I defintely need to read the last few pages again.

Edit: we really do need that "warning cross post" button....

This post has been edited by Shadow: 08 October 2008 - 09:26 PM

[Emurlahn]

I would be happy enough to vote Mockra. He has 4 posts. Thats the same as HP.
HOWEVER:

He is linked to Korvalain. It seems obvious enough. Now, that means he's almost certainly a family. Korvalain seems corleone.

My problem:
If they are linked they are family.
As I have said, i would prefer to go for someone I think is not family, but rather Triad/FM.

However:
He seems lurky-ish, with only 4 posts.
It's possible that he's being very clever, and pretending to be obviously on someones team, therefore, people wont think he is FM/Triad.
After all, he is probably the only person so obviously linked. Has anyone else done what he has, and sheeped so massively? I dont think so.

[Shadow]

Hmmm.... if mockra and korvalain are linked, then one of them has to be the worst symp in the world, because the connection is way too easy to see.

And yes Tellan we should have picked up on it earlier
Will be interesting to see what they have to say about things.

Edit: Cross post with Emur

Still edit: Emur I agree that mockra might just be sticking close to seem family....

This post has been edited by Shadow: 08 October 2008 - 09:31 PM

[Emurlahn]

Thats why im not sure they are really linked. It just seems too obvious.
Time check please?
I have to begone soon, and would like to know if I will make it back in time tommorow to catch the day.

[Tellan]

Didnt make myself clear then, I think they are triad actually. They seem to know about each other, so one must be a don, or the first triad member. If they were in a family, a couple of other people would know about at least one of them. I've been suggesting Korv and Mockra all day(mixed in with other people) and noone else has even subtly defended them. I admit, it seems like stupid play on their part, but the fact that noone else has defended them or put more pressure on me is what's making the real difference I think.

[Emurlahn]

Triad? Hmm, I suppose it's possible. Not sure what the chances of the triad hitting a grunt day one are, but its possible. I think one of them may be either Triad or FM. Its definetely possible.

[Tellan]

Mockra may just have been symping Korv, who seems to be a strong player. The fact that he made it so obvious is suspicious. But then why did Korv go and follow Mockra's vote? He waited a while before he did it, but he did do it.

[Fener]

Emurlahn, on Oct 8 2008, 09:26 PM, said:

I would be happy enough to vote Mockra. He has 4 posts. Thats the same as HP.
HOWEVER:

He is linked to Korvalain. It seems obvious enough. Now, that means he's almost certainly a family. Korvalain seems corleone.

My problem:
If they are linked they are family.
As I have said, i would prefer to go for someone I think is not family, but rather Triad/FM.

However:
He seems lurky-ish, with only 4 posts.
It's possible that he's being very clever, and pretending to be obviously on someones team, therefore, people wont think he is FM/Triad.
After all, he is probably the only person so obviously linked. Has anyone else done what he has, and sheeped so massively? I dont think so.

Ok, see I don't see Korvalain as being Corleone and even if he is so what. That isn't my family so I don't have a problem killing Corleone off. But you are talking about Mockra and his low posts and quick votes. I could see Mockra being either the FM/Triad, and symping Korvalain to try to get through another day. A lot of us played in 17 when we went after one tribe while killing off the other tribe at night. It ended up being a fantastic example of railroading. Now with Corleone having lost two members they are obviously hurting and in a easy position to be taken out. I say we finish the job and them. There has only been one other loss from another family and that was a Mod Kill. The other families are still pretty even (If they started out that way) so really we can kill off a suspected Corleone, and not worry about losing ground (members) to one of the other families.

Also a couple of games ago we did hit a low poster (I think that it was Kell) and it turned out that he was a bad guy. So once in a while it does work. Kind of like the odds of hitting a scum (in a normal game) on day one. But low posting is irritating and when you add that to the fact that Mockra is either trying to symp korvalain or is in the same alliance as him then it adds up to a good vote.

There is still lots of time left in the day so I will vote when I get back. Perhaps Mockra will post a brilliant defense (it has happened before).

[Tellan]

Barg, just so you know, it's common practice on this board to put your vote on a seprate line with the word vote in front of it. Not 100% necessary, but it makes the mod's lives easier and makes it easier to spot a vote when you're looking back through posts.

[Emurlahn]

Korvalain, on Oct 8 2008, 09:39 AM, said:

Well, how appropriate

vote Barghast

He supported Telas against me when it was thought Telas was on a Corleone hunt, so he's not Corleone. Time to level the field, people.

Also, added bonus: I have a feeling he's the FM, although dibs showed me I have a lot to learn about reading into other's play. Then again there's only one dibs.

You think he's not corleone fener? Did you, perhance, miss this post? He votes Barghast for not being corleone. Then he talks about levelling the field. This is a merc game. Last group standing. The corleones are severely weakened, as you say. WHy the hell would any other group want a level field? The others would be happy for corleone to have problems. Levelling the field would just be giving a chance for corleone to recover. In a last group standing game, why would any other group be interested in this?

My only objection to hunting down corleones, is that it gives the FM more time to kill people, and, to my mind the bigger risk, it gives the triad more time to be recruiting.

[Tellan]

Ok, I have to be off to the sleepyland. I am interested to see what Mockra posts in his defense. I doubt it will be anything good though, as he has no previous posts to work on. If he has RL issues, he shouldn't just drop votes then disappear, especially not suspicious ones like that, even more especially two hours into the day. Will be around for like 10 more minutes while I get ready for bed.

[Fener]

Emurlahn, on Oct 8 2008, 09:52 PM, said:

Korvalain, on Oct 8 2008, 09:39 AM, said:

Well, how appropriate

vote Barghast

He supported Telas against me when it was thought Telas was on a Corleone hunt, so he's not Corleone. Time to level the field, people.

Also, added bonus: I have a feeling he's the FM, although dibs showed me I have a lot to learn about reading into other's play. Then again there's only one dibs.

You think he's not corleone fener? Did you, perhance, miss this post? He votes Barghast for not being corleone. Then he talks about levelling the field. This is a merc game. Last group standing. The corleones are severely weakened, as you say. WHy the hell would any other group want a level field? The others would be happy for corleone to have problems. Levelling the field would just be giving a chance for corleone to recover. In a last group standing game, why would any other group be interested in this?

My only objection to hunting down corleones, is that it gives the FM more time to kill people, and, to my mind the bigger risk, it gives the triad more time to be recruiting.

Yes actually I did miss that post.

I thought that the only clue that he might be a Corleone was that time that telas got him to reveal which didn't seem like hard evidence to me. However that post is hard evidence. You can't ignore the two posts. The only question is if Korvalain should go or Mockra. I want to see if Mockra pips up and tries to distance himself from Korvalian or if he will try to explain away the obvious connection. I would be happy to vote for either one but much closer to the end of the day then now. There is what 20 hours left. Lots of time for people to get on.

Now I have to leave. See you in 6 hours or so