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Mafia 27: The Escape of the Benses (Game Thread)

#441 Guest_D'riss_*

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 06:08 PM

cross-post, mister.
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#442 Guest_D'riss_*

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 06:10 PM

Also, if I have your permission, good sir, I'd like to the dishwashing right now.
If not, I suggest you vote me down for the cowardly dog that I clearly am for not being able to stick to the demands of the heavenly Serc.
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Posted 26 August 2008 - 06:17 PM

Here is Tennes' post 377

Tennes said:

Serc said:


This is true. No healer should ever reveal, unless there are like 3 people left and you need to to win the game. At this stage, there is NO point in any kind of healer reveal, even if you are going to die.


That is just such horse shit as to not even warrant a response but seeing as people love fucking spouting such crap on this board i feel it does deserve at least my FUCKING scorn.

We have two exposed Roled Innocents at the moment.

ruse reveals as healer and survives lynch, becomes target for nk.

tomorrow we have two exposed roled innos and ruse is still dead.

is that better or worse than what just happened?


That is the post that I disagreed with. He DID advocate for a healer reveal, if Ruse was a healer.

There was some more discussion between Tennes, Mockra, and Myself, and we got to the bottom that Tennes was saying IF Ruse was a healer, he should reveal, but noone else should (obviously), which I still disagree with.

Get it?

Now, I am happy you have real life reasons for avoiding a discussion and lynch you then return to comment on, good for you. Do you have anything else 'on me' you would like me to respond, or shall we take a look at some of the other cases and not start a giant pissing contest?
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#444 Guest_Serc_*

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 06:19 PM

D said:

Also, if I have your permission, good sir, I'd like to the dishwashing right now.
If not, I suggest you vote me down for the cowardly dog that I clearly am for not being able to stick to the demands of the heavenly Serc.


Sarcasm is an extremely poor rhetorical technique.
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Posted 26 August 2008 - 06:21 PM

Kaschan;374994 said:

Here are some Tennes quotes, in order to try and find a reason why he would be killed. Unless people think it was random?

Tennes main call was for people to give Ruse some time to reply, and explain. He was being reasonable, which in itself could be cause for a nk, eliminating a player he thinks things through.

His main conflict was his aruments with serc, many of which are quoted above. I doubt that serc(if he was the killer) would be stupid enough to kill the person that he had been fighting with, as it seems rather obvious,but you never know, I could very easily be wrong.

Also, we have to consider the possibility of someone inactive being evil. The problem is, we cant lynch all of them in the hope of hitting an evil. There are so many of them, so its entirely possible at least one, and wouldnt even be that surprising. What do people think?


There is also the strong possiblity that DIBs was killed due to being alted. There are several players who wouldn't hesitate to do something like that especially if it furthered their over all agenda.
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#446 Guest_D'riss_*

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 06:27 PM

to be nitpicking: advocating that a healer reveal isn't as bad as generally believed isn't the same as asking for it. That's where you and I disagree.

I have nothing 'on you'. Like I said, I think you are an inno playing aggressive on purpose, trying to harry the field after an uneventful day. That's cool and might be what we need. You also need be aware of collatteral damage you cause in your quest for clues to apply pressure with.

On a different note:
Tennes was the one to enter a discussion with you. Has it crossed your mind that he might be killed because he was very vocally representing a different course than the one that had been dominant up until then?

I do not doubt Mockra and Omtose being CI, but if their playstyle somehow suits the killer, it suits the killer to shut up people who are disagreeing with our CIs as well.

Now I'm going to do some dishwashing.
Oh, and I do agree: pissing contests are overrated.
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Posted 26 August 2008 - 06:28 PM

Serc;375052 said:

Sarcasm is an extremely poor rhetorical technique.

About the same level as making demands on people's time because X minutes have passed when a new 36 hour day is barely under way.

let's leave the sniping at that.
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Posted 26 August 2008 - 06:37 PM

OK here is the first post. I think I am going to post all of Barghasts quotes, because they are pretty minimul.

Barghast;374204 said:

So finally made it on bit of a late checking in here. Reading through I see its the usual Day 1 stuff. And as usual nothing worth voting on but some very nice pictures. Really glad its not me doing the pictures, I don't think we can vote for them if they have been silenced though, as someone said its too much WIFOM.

Everyone hasn't check in yet of course, but I'll be around for a while I hope.

Hoods Path, I think its 2 votes on Galain and as a guess, ages (30+ hours) till Night.


HP thought Ruse was silenced Barghast helped here.

Barghast;374211 said:

I'm not sure what your saying? Kaschan is silenced.


7 hours of posts later this is what Bargy has to say.

Barghast;374303 said:

Well back on now. Seems strangely quiet so far. Where's Kaschan to amuse us with pictures?


4 and a half hours later we get this.

Barghast;374429 said:

Damn didn't get a chance to post this evening, will be around in 8 hours or so, should be able to contribute more.

This Fener thing, I have to agree with Serc there and I think your barking up the wrong tree. I think what you have in fact discovered is that Fener played in the last Benses game and remembered Kaschan as silenced. As does Mr Mod naturally.

Be interested in hearing from Fener though. And of course its always nice to see who is willing to jump in and vote on any hint of a case.


11 hours later, but hey he's trying. the next 2 posts are back to back posts.

Barghast;374638 said:

Sorry I am here as well. Just catching up on what I missed.


Barghast;374639 said:

Well I see Fener has posted his defence.

I can't say its the strongest defence i've seen, but the whole case is just so laughably bad that I can't really blame him. I know its Day 1 and everything, but come on theres got to be something behind it we shouldn't just lynch people on nothing.


Now he starts to pick up steam.

Barghast;374670 said:

How is pointing out a probable pair of roled innocents a nice find?

Why would we be hanging Omtose first? If Omtose confirms that he and Mockra are partners and their role then the person we will be hanging will probably be Ruse, or perhaps you for pointing out what a great find it is.

If Omtose has no clue about Mockra then we lynch Mockra for coding some elses name in when they're not paired and then see what the CF tells us from that.

I'd say its pretty far fetched that Team Evil would waste their time with a code or pretending to be a roled pair when it can be so easily refuted. I could be wrong, but its rather unlikely.


After this the contributions improve, but wow, kind of a slow starter eh? By then we had pretty much fingered Ruse for the lynch, so I guess you felt safe enough to post more maybe? Just a thought. I am going to look at D'riss next, if no one objects to this kind of postiong, and doesn't feel that I am being a scarecrow(straw man get it?).
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Posted 26 August 2008 - 06:39 PM

Damn you D'riss and your having the last word!

Telas, 3.5 hours ago you pushed a case on Galain being UB, and said you were going to look for a BB that would fit with that. Have you found anyone/anything?

I am going to take a look at Gamelon, as I am not convinced he has said anything in the thread that is not parroting what someone before him said...
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Posted 26 August 2008 - 06:52 PM

D said:

Someone has been delving... nice find, but it'd been probably better if you had kept it a secret (a bit/quite some time) longer until there was more to tie it to.
All we really have is a one-way connection between 2 people, one of whom has adopted a playstyle which is rubbing several of us the wrong way, and that's all... Still, if one of the two is going to be lynched, then I'll agree with hanging Omtose first.


Ths is really the only scummy thing D'riss has said but he explains himself nicely , when questioned by Barghast. So really nothing much on D'riss.

D said:

The pointing out is no nice find. Nor did I say that. Stop making a bogus argument on what you preceive as the general gist of my argument.

Finding extra information is a nice find, and I'll stand by it.
But that's all, for I disagree with what happened next (revealing it). What Ruse should have done is keep it secret (as I said), analyze it, and try to determine what the relation/ role is. If he became convinced they were Finders, our most powerful tool, well, Ruse (assuming he's an inno) could then follow their lead and support them, or divert attention away from them when they came under fire. Wouldn't be the first time an inno who has decrypted a Finder code acted as their symp (or rather, helpful innocent bystander, to steer away from scummy role names).


Sure. And if he is guilty, Omtose will (90% chance) also say he hasn't got a clue why his name was coded, just to avoid becoming a target. When they are partnered, they may do the exact same thing to distance.


I agree with the first part, especially how team evil knows each other from the outset, however, all we have is a one-way-connection. Since there's no real clue in the game's description which inno roles are paired and which aren't, I'd say the scum might try it or keep it open as an escapehatch.

Also because BB will survive his first lynch/vig-kill, a fake reveal followed by a counter would give him a great deal of information at a relatively low price - far lower than in a normal game.



Next is HP
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Posted 26 August 2008 - 06:56 PM

Ok, Gamelon.

His first 10 or so posts are fluff. Nothing there, nothing talking about anyone, just 'noone is around' 'im off for breakfast' 'lol noone here'...

His next 6 posts are trying to guess what Kaschan was attempting to convey.

Then a vote on Fener with no reason and ... well nothing....

Gamelon said:

I will toss my vote in on fener for now.

Vote Fener


Then 3 more posts of crap, one is 'ahahahhahaa', the second is a guess on Kaschan's post, and the last is 'I am here'.

Then we get this

Gamelon said:

But not unheard of. However I am willing to believe your reveals for now. Since I don't want this day to end with out a lynch I will drop my vote on Ruse right before the end of day.
That was in response to Mockra claiming that scum coding is 'daft'.

Gamelon then corrects the vote count, he is obviously watching it very closely...

Gamelon said:

I can see almost as many reasons for keeping Ruse alive as I can for killing him.
But what is comes down to for me is why did ruse reveal the code. I have found codes before but never revealed them cause I figured the risk v reward ratio wasn't in my favor enough to for a reveal. I don't understand why he choose to reveal the code on day one and I would really like to hear his reasoning before I am forced to vote for him.
Noone Asked Gamelon what is thoughts were. Noone was putting pressure on him to vote, or to not vote, or explain himself in any way...

2 minutes after I hammer Ruse, he posts this

Gamelon said:

and hammer time. oh beat me to it.
With no edited tags or anything... waiting for someone else to do it?
Mockra calls him a bloody lurker, and here is Gamelon's reply

Gamelon said:

Did you miss the part that said that I would vote for him right before the end of the day.
yes, 2 or 3 other people said the same thing, and you were the only one to try to make it look like you were actually going to do it after I had hammered Ruse.

His next post he is Happy Yellow (Ruse) is dead... but mainly a fluff post, although I enjoyed the sexual bananas. His post after this (392) is a joke post, in the middle of a discussion. He dosen't comment on the somewhat heated debate, he just makes a joke.

Then we get to his last two posts.

Gamelon said:

That sucks.
is one, and right after D'riss said basicly the same thing.

Shadow then posts this

Shadow said:

Ok, I'm back, but may be on and off, due to bad weather. I think I am gonna take a look at non-contributers today, not low posters, but those of you who appear to be helpful, while just adding fuel to the fire. If Omtose ever comes back, I will be more than happy to continue our pissing contest, but for now, I am going to try and do something constructive with my time. By the way, I think DiBs ding was probably meta based, but thats just my look on why Tennes. I think I will take a look at Barghast first. Back in a litle while.
I added the bold so we note it.
Gamelon then says, 15 minutes later,

Gamelon said:

There is also the strong possiblity that DIBs was killed due to being alted. There are several players who wouldn't hesitate to do something like that especially if it furthered their over all agenda.
This was once again in the middle of an argument (between me and D'riss), which again he avoids and does not comment on at all.

And that is all of Gamelons posts, and the best case I can make on him. The case is based of his seeming Inability to post anything constructive, his avoidence of any kind of heated debate/arguments, and his attempt to LOOK like he is doing what the innos need done, while doing nothing at all (his 'almost' hammer on Ruse).
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Posted 26 August 2008 - 07:08 PM

It is day 2, 33 hours left in the day

13 players alive, 7 to lynch and to go to night

13 have not voted (Barghast, D'riss, Fener, Galain, Gamelon, Hoods Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Mockra, Omtose, Serc, Shadow, Telas)
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Posted 26 August 2008 - 07:08 PM

First post

Hoods Path;374092 said:

Got on just now, won't be able to post much for today...


Next post in response to Ruses WIFOM

Hoods Path;374097 said:

That's reverse psychology, because they would've expected more people to realise that, so they probably picked a random on day 1.


oops time to go.

Hoods Path;374101 said:

Bah, now I've gotta go, see ya guys later for god knows how long.


pops in to say hello.

Hoods Path;374200 said:

whats going on eh guys? got back from school, though can't stay on for a while after this post.
What's the vote count, and how long left till night?
g2g again...bah


next post, he confuses Ruse with Kashcan, never understood how.

Hoods Path;374210 said:

Notice Omtose has voted Ruse, even though he's been silenced? For now though, the trails dead.


Oh wait here is why.

Hoods Path;374226 said:

Oh whoops, messed up my own mind. My bad. Just that with me on the go, and the pics on, I've misread a bit.


next

Hoods Path;374257 said:

Who says I'm at work? (ominous music)
Bah, now I've gotta go to bed. Night all.


again?

Hoods Path;374636 said:

Grr, got smashed to the ground by some idiot who wasn't watching were he was running today. And I'm pretty sure I'm talking to myself as everyone is either sleeping or at work... real great timing eh?


Fener and arghast respond in about 30 minutes respectively but nothing from HP utill about 5 hours later to say this

Hoods Path;374675 said:

God dammit I'm being pulled away from my computer time. Just got on and then my mom tells me to do stuf :Rodeo:. Brb (hopefully)


1 hour later he is finally starting to contribute

Hoods Path;374686 said:

If you ARE the finder, and revealing Omtose as your partner, then what we shouldn't do is lynch one of you as the BB would kill of the other one. This assuming your "reveal" is accurate. But what if you're pulling our legs? Anybody thinking that Mockra ISN'T the finder? Not that the "true" finders, if any are going to reveal themselves. Not that I'm saying I'm a finder. Quoting The Shawshank Redemption:
Everybody in here's innocent.


and finally he leaves once again, poor HP, by the way you should be nice to your parents, they are paying for the electricity that is powering your comp right now.

Hoods Path;374728 said:

Yes, it does seem that Ruse is a BB or UB, what with revealing Mockra's 'code'. Going on that basis,
Vote Ruse
Hope my judgment is right, and that's me out for today. Dammit, I reckon I'm the lowest poster. Fucking parents making me do house chores.



So for now Vote Hoods Path for lack of contribution.
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Posted 26 August 2008 - 07:19 PM

Serc;375068 said:

Ok, Gamelon.

His first 10 or so posts are fluff. Nothing there, nothing talking about anyone, just 'noone is around' 'im off for breakfast' 'lol noone here'...

His next 6 posts are trying to guess what Kaschan was attempting to convey.

Then a vote on Fener with no reason and ... well nothing....


Then 3 more posts of crap, one is 'ahahahhahaa', the second is a guess on Kaschan's post, and the last is 'I am here'.

Then we get this That was in response to Mockra claiming that scum coding is 'daft'.

Gamelon then corrects the vote count, he is obviously watching it very closely...

Well the day was wearing down and I was watching both the time and the vote count.

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Noone Asked Gamelon what is thoughts were. Noone was putting pressure on him to vote, or to not vote, or explain himself in any way...

Does someone have to ask me what my thoughts are before I can post them or put pressure on me to get me to vote?

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2 minutes after I hammer Ruse, he posts this With no edited tags or anything... waiting for someone else to do it?
Mockra calls him a bloody lurker, and here is Gamelon's reply yes, 2 or 3 other people said the same thing, and you were the only one to try to make it look like you were actually going to do it after I had hammered Ruse.


As you have already pointed out I was watching the proceedings carefully. I was on at the same time as Ruse earlier in the day and expected him to come on and defend himself.

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His next post he is Happy Yellow (Ruse) is dead... but mainly a fluff post, although I enjoyed the sexual bananas. His post after this (392) is a joke post, in the middle of a discussion. He dosen't comment on the somewhat heated debate, he just makes a joke.


Wasn't my heated debate, why would I want to get pulled into a pissing contest. Plus when I posted earlier nobody every said anything, cause you all were to busy yelling at each other.

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Then we get to his last two posts. is one, and right after D'riss said basicly the same thing.

Shadow then posts this I added the bold so we note it.
Gamelon then says, 15 minutes later, This was once again in the middle of an argument (between me and D'riss), which again he avoids and does not comment on at all.


I missed the Shadow post were he says that. Thanks for pointing it out to me. Nice to see that some people think alike.

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And that is all of Gamelons posts, and the best case I can make on him. The case is based of his seeming Inability to post anything constructive, his avoidence of any kind of heated debate/arguments, and his attempt to LOOK like he is doing what the innos need done, while doing nothing at all (his 'almost' hammer on Ruse).


None of your stupid pissing contest interested me enough to get involved in them. If you really think that pissing contests are constructive then you need to go back and read the 26 previous mafia's. Pissing contest are 90% of the time a complete waste of time. Right now I am waiting to see if someone new has been silenced. If no one is and no one get's silenced again tomorrow then I am thinking that Yellow/ruse was probably UB. Of course that will only work if no one gets silenced for today and tomorrow. I can't imagine someone have that power and not using it two days in a row.

As for you case against me, straw man. :Rodeo:
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Posted 26 August 2008 - 07:20 PM

BY the way, I feel I need to clarify, my vote on HP is just a pressure vote to get more content in his posts, and also, Serc's Gameleon case is pretty interesting.
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Posted 26 August 2008 - 07:21 PM

Really how so?

What exactly is so interesting about it?
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Posted 26 August 2008 - 07:24 PM

Gamelon;375082 said:

As you have already pointed out I was watching the proceedings carefully. I was on at the same time as Ruse earlier in the day and expected him to come on and defend himself.


Gameleon, I don't feel that this is an adequate answer to Serc's case, you didn't crosspost, et reading the thread it appeared that you wanted it to look like you did in fact cross-post. I am not trying to pick on you, I just would like to hear a more detailed answer as to why you pretened to cross-post.
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Posted 26 August 2008 - 07:29 PM

Actually I had two browsers open I was writing in one and looked over in the other one saw the Hammer, went back and posted. I wasn't pretending to cross-post I was however keeping a tight eye out on the votes and the time. If I had Alted that Ruse was yellow I would have voted for him the first time that I posted this morning. I actually had liked some of Ruse earlier arguments and was only going to hammer him to make sure that day one ended with a lynch.
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Posted 26 August 2008 - 07:31 PM

If that is the truth Gamelon, why didn't you say that in your original 'defense' post?

Why did you write the post as you did, seemingly pretending to edit it, if you saw that I had hammered and you were just commenting on it?
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Posted 26 August 2008 - 07:32 PM

Gamelon;375092 said:

Actually I had two browsers open I was writing in one and looked over in the other one saw the Hammer, went back and posted. I wasn't pretending to cross-post I was however keeping a tight eye out on the votes and the time. If I had Alted that Ruse was yellow I would have voted for him the first time that I posted this morning. I actually had liked some of Ruse earlier arguments and was only going to hammer him to make sure that day one ended with a lynch.


So you are saying that you wrote "Hammer time" and then typed oops too late? Hmmmm. yep, just hmmm.
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