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Mafia 27: The Escape of the Benses (Game Thread)
#602 Guest_D'riss_*
Posted 27 August 2008 - 03:10 PM
You guys have been active, Telas especially. Compliments for making cases with pictures... even it suddenly includes me...
and here I thought I'd be safe from harm from the person targeted by UB's silence, with a name like this...
(which is a joke, for those of you who don't get it).
Gamelon is either really sick or pulling off the age-old emo 'vote for me, I won't defend myself any further'. I'm WIFOMing now, but I doubt he'd say he wouldn't give up if he was scum or if he had a crucial inno role...
that would break the game where he could have lurked otherwise and just send in a provisional night order once a day while posting 'still not recovered, sorry guys, back to bed.' Could be of course that he wants us to think that exactly until he is recovered...
Myself... hiding in plain sight... sure. I'm neither a high poster nor a low, I have commented on people and defended myself but not really attacked, so I see where you come from... Unless you put together a case on me, I find it hard to defend myself against a gutfeeling, though...
Serc... I dislike his pushing playstyle, but found no real evidence of him being a killer or other scum. He is on my watchlist though... so far no real results, not even of our pissing contest...
Galain... no real bad feelings/hunches or clues there so far, nothing stands out. I'll have to re-read his stuff to see what i can come up with, and how you tie him in with Serc...
Good job, though... while I like the Gamelon one, but am a bit cautious as things stand now in voting for him.
and here I thought I'd be safe from harm from the person targeted by UB's silence, with a name like this...
(which is a joke, for those of you who don't get it).Gamelon is either really sick or pulling off the age-old emo 'vote for me, I won't defend myself any further'. I'm WIFOMing now, but I doubt he'd say he wouldn't give up if he was scum or if he had a crucial inno role...
that would break the game where he could have lurked otherwise and just send in a provisional night order once a day while posting 'still not recovered, sorry guys, back to bed.' Could be of course that he wants us to think that exactly until he is recovered...
Myself... hiding in plain sight... sure. I'm neither a high poster nor a low, I have commented on people and defended myself but not really attacked, so I see where you come from... Unless you put together a case on me, I find it hard to defend myself against a gutfeeling, though...
Serc... I dislike his pushing playstyle, but found no real evidence of him being a killer or other scum. He is on my watchlist though... so far no real results, not even of our pissing contest...
Galain... no real bad feelings/hunches or clues there so far, nothing stands out. I'll have to re-read his stuff to see what i can come up with, and how you tie him in with Serc...
Good job, though... while I like the Gamelon one, but am a bit cautious as things stand now in voting for him.
#603 Guest_Serc_*
Posted 27 August 2008 - 03:17 PM
That is the second time this game Ob1.
#604 Guest_Shadow_*
Posted 27 August 2008 - 03:22 PM
Just a thought, and I know it may be a stretch, but it is a minor posibility that Gamelon is really sick and also BB, and has decided to give up because he knows someone else will be able to play BB better than he has. Like I said just a thought.
#605 Guest_Serc_*
Posted 27 August 2008 - 03:28 PM
Telas, lets see what we can find.
Just for S&G, his first post
A couple fluff posts, nothing even remotley incriminating, or any reasons why he would be silenced, then this
His next post is then this:
He then has a couple posts about him not believing the case on Ruse, and he isn't going to vote on that train.
In post 395, he posts a case on Galain. It has lots of quotes, so I will not quote it in its entirety, just the conclusions
He has a couple posts asking people to look at the Galain case, but nothing else until the pictures start.
So... nothing scummy I can see. As for why he was silenced, the only thing I can think of is that he was looking at Fener and Galain. After he was silenced, he is also looking at D'riss and I (serc) as being suspicious.
Just for S&G, his first post
Telas said:
Hey hey! I see Kaschan is silenced haha! They seem very good at it though, so I'm sure they won't mind that they'll likely have to do it for longer than usual, seeing as JA has made this day 48 hours long!
My early suspect is Galain for making so much fun of Kaschan's condition. Uncle Ben gloating at his handiwork?
Yeah, that's right, I've started playing seriously early!
My early suspect is Galain for making so much fun of Kaschan's condition. Uncle Ben gloating at his handiwork?
Yeah, that's right, I've started playing seriously early!
A couple fluff posts, nothing even remotley incriminating, or any reasons why he would be silenced, then this
Telas said:
I second the plea to Fener to elaborate more on Kaschan's accusation of him. The drop-in vote looked dodgy in light of that.
His next post is then this:
Telas said:
For the record, I still don't see why Ruse, if he were UB, would knowingly risk it all like this. I don't buy for one second that it was a sacrifice reveal of another player's pairing. My suspects remain Galain and to an extent, Fener. Can someone remind me please, what is the suspicion of Shadow? Is this that whole strawwhatsit thing?
He then has a couple posts about him not believing the case on Ruse, and he isn't going to vote on that train.
In post 395, he posts a case on Galain. It has lots of quotes, so I will not quote it in its entirety, just the conclusions
Telas said:
And this is Galain's quick hop on and off voting for Omtose. With Shadow and Ruse's renewed attack on Omtose, perhaps he smelled an easy target and wanted to get in there early, but, of course, hops straight off as soon as something doesn't go quite according to plan.
Galain strikes me more as a UB than a BB, but could be either. He has posted an average amount but with almost no real content, typical evil-style, as is the making sure everyone knew he supposedly wasn't serious. His voting strikes me as opportunistic as well.
As I said, he strikes me more as a UB, so later I'll have a look and see if I can find a potential BB.
Galain strikes me more as a UB than a BB, but could be either. He has posted an average amount but with almost no real content, typical evil-style, as is the making sure everyone knew he supposedly wasn't serious. His voting strikes me as opportunistic as well.
As I said, he strikes me more as a UB, so later I'll have a look and see if I can find a potential BB.
He has a couple posts asking people to look at the Galain case, but nothing else until the pictures start.
So... nothing scummy I can see. As for why he was silenced, the only thing I can think of is that he was looking at Fener and Galain. After he was silenced, he is also looking at D'riss and I (serc) as being suspicious.
#606 Guest_Galain_*
Posted 27 August 2008 - 03:29 PM
Mockra;375336 said:
whats the point of crying over spilled milk telas?
We did it...its done.
We have given our reasons for using the vigs early. If you dont like it then...well tough.
We did it...its done.
We have given our reasons for using the vigs early. If you dont like it then...well tough.
Not often I get to this point, but Fuck you Mocra! If you think you can bully everyone with your vig hit. ASS!
#607 Guest_Shadow_*
Posted 27 August 2008 - 03:32 PM
Someone woke up on the wrong side of the mafia game this morning.
#608 Guest_Galain_*
Posted 27 August 2008 - 03:34 PM
NO! FUck that shit! VIG me tonight ASS! I can't stand it when people throw shit like that around
#609 Guest_Shadow_*
Posted 27 August 2008 - 03:37 PM
Galain, I don't see why you are so worked up, I don't see the threat of a vig, I see Mockra saying that they made a descision and its too late to take it back. If you don't like it, well it doesn't matter because they are conirmed innos and we are not.
#610 Guest_Shadow_*
Posted 27 August 2008 - 03:38 PM
I do wish they had been more conservative in the use of their vigs, but no one else is getting so pissed off.
#611 Guest_Serc_*
Posted 27 August 2008 - 03:42 PM
From what I can tell, Barghast has a nice round 20 posts... and here they come!
First 3 posts are just fluff. Then we get this, after Kaschan is explaining his 'case' on Fener
His next post is a 'im here, let me catch up', and then we get this
Still quite sure Fener is inno. I don't disagree, but just something to note. His next post Is pretty sure both Omtose and Shadow are inno, and he is right about Omtose, at least... how could he know!
Here is his next post, responding to d'riss
Someone has been delving... nice find, but it'd been probably better if you had kept it a secret (a bit/quite some time) longer until there was more to tie it to.
All we really have is a one-way connection between 2 people, one of whom has adopted a playstyle which is rubbing several of us the wrong way, and that's all... Still, if one of the two is going to be lynched, then I'll agree with hanging Omtose first.
How is pointing out a probable pair of roled innocents a nice find?
Why would we be hanging Omtose first? If Omtose confirms that he and Mockra are partners and their role then the person we will be hanging will probably be Ruse, or perhaps you for pointing out what a great find it is.
If Omtose has no clue about Mockra then we lynch Mockra for coding some elses name in when they're not paired and then see what the CF tells us from that.
I'd say its pretty far fetched that Team Evil would waste their time with a code or pretending to be a roled pair when it can be so easily refuted. I could be wrong, but its rather unlikely.
Pretty much right on the money through the whole thing.
Shadow, galain and Ruse.
Id bet a case of beer that one of these is scum.
Driss aswell, for LOVING how ruse outed the lovers.
I'd add Gamelon to that list as well. Not sure about Galain though. D'riss seems a likely scummy sort.
I think Mockra though, you are going to have to reveal your role. Everyone with a role is still alive so we can confirm if you are telling the truth or not. There is no doubt you and Omtose are going to be targeted so hiding what role is pretty pointless.
Anyway I think I have to vote Ruse as well but could change to D'riss.
Vote Ruse
Still avoiding mentioning Fener, willing to vote for Ruse or D'riss, and maybe cozying up to our two Confirmed Innos?
A couple nothing posts, and then Willing to possibly switch to Shadow. He wants Ruse dead and he dosen't mention D'riss or Fener.
A couple fluff posts, then this.
He dosen't find me or Galain suspicous, which most of the rest of you do, he is fine with hitting Gamelon, especially since Gamelon jumped on the Fener case... and we all know Fener is an inno, rite guys?
I am going to take a look at Fener now. The above case isn't that good at all if Fener's nose is clean.
First 3 posts are just fluff. Then we get this, after Kaschan is explaining his 'case' on Fener
Barghast said:
Damn didn't get a chance to post this evening, will be around in 8 hours or so, should be able to contribute more.
This Fener thing, I have to agree with Serc there and I think your barking up the wrong tree. I think what you have in fact discovered is that Fener played in the last Benses game and remembered Kaschan as silenced. As does Mr Mod naturally.
Be interested in hearing from Fener though. And of course its always nice to see who is willing to jump in and vote on any hint of a case.
This Fener thing, I have to agree with Serc there and I think your barking up the wrong tree. I think what you have in fact discovered is that Fener played in the last Benses game and remembered Kaschan as silenced. As does Mr Mod naturally.
Be interested in hearing from Fener though. And of course its always nice to see who is willing to jump in and vote on any hint of a case.
His next post is a 'im here, let me catch up', and then we get this
Barghast said:
Well I see Fener has posted his defence.
I can't say its the strongest defence i've seen, but the whole case is just so laughably bad that I can't really blame him. I know its Day 1 and everything, but come on theres got to be something behind it we shouldn't just lynch people on nothing.
I can't say its the strongest defence i've seen, but the whole case is just so laughably bad that I can't really blame him. I know its Day 1 and everything, but come on theres got to be something behind it we shouldn't just lynch people on nothing.
Still quite sure Fener is inno. I don't disagree, but just something to note. His next post
Barghast said:
I was just going to post and say that I think Omtose and Shadow are two innocents with wires crossed. There isn't anything particular damning in either of their cases as I think both would agree.
However Ruse... WTF? Are you trying to pull a Khell?
You've basically forced them to come out now. Its really unlikely an evil guy is going to have codes and come out like that. If they claim Finder and there are Finders already out there they will counter claim and will be caught out. Sure we will have to lynch one of each, but it will be obvious and we have enough numbers to lose 3 or 4 innocents and still be in a heathly position if we get an evil from it.
We might have to lynch you now Ruse for being potentially Uncle Ben and sending a message to Big Ben saying you found paired innocents and thusly a powerful role and thought it was worth the sacrifice. It being so early on though you might just get away with it.
Still I guess lets hear from Omtose and Mockra and see what they have to say.
However Ruse... WTF? Are you trying to pull a Khell?
You've basically forced them to come out now. Its really unlikely an evil guy is going to have codes and come out like that. If they claim Finder and there are Finders already out there they will counter claim and will be caught out. Sure we will have to lynch one of each, but it will be obvious and we have enough numbers to lose 3 or 4 innocents and still be in a heathly position if we get an evil from it.
We might have to lynch you now Ruse for being potentially Uncle Ben and sending a message to Big Ben saying you found paired innocents and thusly a powerful role and thought it was worth the sacrifice. It being so early on though you might just get away with it.
Still I guess lets hear from Omtose and Mockra and see what they have to say.
Here is his next post, responding to d'riss
Barghast said:
D said:
Someone has been delving... nice find, but it'd been probably better if you had kept it a secret (a bit/quite some time) longer until there was more to tie it to.
All we really have is a one-way connection between 2 people, one of whom has adopted a playstyle which is rubbing several of us the wrong way, and that's all... Still, if one of the two is going to be lynched, then I'll agree with hanging Omtose first.
How is pointing out a probable pair of roled innocents a nice find?
Why would we be hanging Omtose first? If Omtose confirms that he and Mockra are partners and their role then the person we will be hanging will probably be Ruse, or perhaps you for pointing out what a great find it is.
If Omtose has no clue about Mockra then we lynch Mockra for coding some elses name in when they're not paired and then see what the CF tells us from that.
I'd say its pretty far fetched that Team Evil would waste their time with a code or pretending to be a roled pair when it can be so easily refuted. I could be wrong, but its rather unlikely.
Pretty much right on the money through the whole thing.
Barghast said:
Mockra said:
Shadow, galain and Ruse.
Id bet a case of beer that one of these is scum.
Driss aswell, for LOVING how ruse outed the lovers.
I'd add Gamelon to that list as well. Not sure about Galain though. D'riss seems a likely scummy sort.
I think Mockra though, you are going to have to reveal your role. Everyone with a role is still alive so we can confirm if you are telling the truth or not. There is no doubt you and Omtose are going to be targeted so hiding what role is pretty pointless.
Anyway I think I have to vote Ruse as well but could change to D'riss.
Vote Ruse
Still avoiding mentioning Fener, willing to vote for Ruse or D'riss, and maybe cozying up to our two Confirmed Innos?
A couple nothing posts, and then
Barghast said:
I am here and around till Night, if we need me to switch. But to be honest I'm not sure I'd switch to Shadow. I'd like to hear some explanations but I'm not completely convinced by him scummy behaviour so not sure if i'd switch to Shadow or not at this point. I'd prefer Ruse.
A couple fluff posts, then this.
Barghast said:
Sorry forgot about Serc and Galain, to be honest of the 5 I find those two to be the least suspicious.
Gamelon looks to be the best one of those to be honest, he didn't seem to take it too well and he's having his head down. Also he jumped on the Fener case pretty sharply.
Gamelon looks to be the best one of those to be honest, he didn't seem to take it too well and he's having his head down. Also he jumped on the Fener case pretty sharply.
I am going to take a look at Fener now. The above case isn't that good at all if Fener's nose is clean.
#612 Guest_Serc_*
Posted 27 August 2008 - 03:45 PM
Some crossposting there... Settle down Galain, they vigged, we can't take it back now. Tweaking out about it won't help at all.
#613 Guest_Shadow_*
Posted 27 August 2008 - 03:46 PM
@ Serc, wont take very long, not alot to go on.
#614 Guest_Serc_*
Posted 27 August 2008 - 03:55 PM
Fener - 19 posts...
His first
A fluff post, and then the response to Kaschan
Then a nothing post, nothing post, nothing post, then this.
He then responds to shadow poking him
He dosen't make any kind of cases, and responds again later
Nothing post, again, and again, and again, and again, and then this Still no case he promised to try and put up... but he seperates people into 'tiers' of posting. And then says that UB is probably mid-low and BB is probably mid-high... great?
And then a post about him leaving for work and he will be back today.
Fener seems to be very careful about not getting anyone riled up, not posting hard information or anything that might be proven wrong later, and pulls out the old rl excuse... Thoughts on this plus the Barghast case, as in them working together?
His first
Fener said:
Bah!
this game seems to be heading nowhere at the moment.
Rgretfully, havig worked on a Sunday, my internal calendar's going to be quite messed up--I keep frogetting that it's a Sunday and expecting Monday things to happen. the fact that I'm ridiculously tired is not halping either--it seems to reflect onmy spilling..
Havent's lept much at all... damn other reasons...
Still, it would seem out UB dislike the Kaschan alt.
Anyone wants to venture an alt-guess of it while we're all bored. And we probably WILL be bored for a while, since I'm assuming we'll have to wait for the majority of people to at least check in before we get anywhere productive.
this game seems to be heading nowhere at the moment.
Rgretfully, havig worked on a Sunday, my internal calendar's going to be quite messed up--I keep frogetting that it's a Sunday and expecting Monday things to happen. the fact that I'm ridiculously tired is not halping either--it seems to reflect onmy spilling..
Havent's lept much at all... damn other reasons...
Still, it would seem out UB dislike the Kaschan alt.
Anyone wants to venture an alt-guess of it while we're all bored. And we probably WILL be bored for a while, since I'm assuming we'll have to wait for the majority of people to at least check in before we get anywhere productive.
A fluff post, and then the response to Kaschan
Fener said:
WHOA
seriously, can we hold up a bit?
I am not UB (I'm really JA, but we'll jkeep that hush-hush for now)
and, for the record, the alt of Kaschan was not used in the last Benses game
my statement was inspired by re-reading some older mafia games where the name did figure. It is a rare alt, not the one we use often. My idea was really a joke, since at that time there was no actual discussion, so alt speculation for which it kinda called would have just been more of the same nothingness
Sure, you have no reason to trust me and could just as easily assume that I AM in fact UB and am so brainless as to actually repeat myself in a PM to PS and then writethe same thing in thread. Really, up to you, if you choose to assume that I'm such a cretin.
I just got from work, head's killing me. gotta shower/eat. Will be back in about 40 mins to try to refute any further accusations.
seriously, can we hold up a bit?
I am not UB (I'm really JA, but we'll jkeep that hush-hush for now)
and, for the record, the alt of Kaschan was not used in the last Benses game
my statement was inspired by re-reading some older mafia games where the name did figure. It is a rare alt, not the one we use often. My idea was really a joke, since at that time there was no actual discussion, so alt speculation for which it kinda called would have just been more of the same nothingness
Sure, you have no reason to trust me and could just as easily assume that I AM in fact UB and am so brainless as to actually repeat myself in a PM to PS and then writethe same thing in thread. Really, up to you, if you choose to assume that I'm such a cretin.
I just got from work, head's killing me. gotta shower/eat. Will be back in about 40 mins to try to refute any further accusations.
Then a nothing post, nothing post, nothing post, then this.
Fener said:
yawn
good morning, all
I have actually fallen asleep last night in close proximity to a keyboard, wow
Seems Ruse went slightly overboard, esp with the whole codes thing. As some people already pointed out, at thispoint of the game, only scum would look for codes.
vote Ruse
however, if he comes up inno, we may have to take a closer look at Omtose again..
good morning, all
I have actually fallen asleep last night in close proximity to a keyboard, wow
Seems Ruse went slightly overboard, esp with the whole codes thing. As some people already pointed out, at thispoint of the game, only scum would look for codes.
vote Ruse
however, if he comes up inno, we may have to take a closer look at Omtose again..
He then responds to shadow poking him
Fener said:
huh
Hey, all
back, as promised
first thing first
@ Shadow and his accusations of me--esp. that last part about me "editing my post due to boredom". READ THE WHOLE LINE, genius.
it was edited by PS. to fix the quote. because HE was bored.
Yes, I do apologize for only being available in the ungodly "dead hours", and falling asleep right before the rest of you get on, to catch some 5-6 hours of sleep before work the next day.
once again, I don't see how I can defend against Kaschan's accusation, except to say that maybe me and JA think alike. Since Kaschan says he was only fishing for a guilty consience, and mine's clean, I'm hoping we can settle that.
Now then: Ruse got lynched. Yellow was not playing smart, that code reveal was a dumb move, so I don't particularly regret it. The Tennes NK is a different story however. DiBs was drawing a lot of attention to himself. he was angry and confrontational. I'm not quite sure I understand why the vigs decided to off him.
I'm not sure what to make of the telas silencing.
hmm, must re-read, will try to think of good suspects and make some cases.
Hey, all
back, as promised
first thing first
@ Shadow and his accusations of me--esp. that last part about me "editing my post due to boredom". READ THE WHOLE LINE, genius.
it was edited by PS. to fix the quote. because HE was bored.
Yes, I do apologize for only being available in the ungodly "dead hours", and falling asleep right before the rest of you get on, to catch some 5-6 hours of sleep before work the next day.
once again, I don't see how I can defend against Kaschan's accusation, except to say that maybe me and JA think alike. Since Kaschan says he was only fishing for a guilty consience, and mine's clean, I'm hoping we can settle that.
Now then: Ruse got lynched. Yellow was not playing smart, that code reveal was a dumb move, so I don't particularly regret it. The Tennes NK is a different story however. DiBs was drawing a lot of attention to himself. he was angry and confrontational. I'm not quite sure I understand why the vigs decided to off him.
I'm not sure what to make of the telas silencing.
hmm, must re-read, will try to think of good suspects and make some cases.
He dosen't make any kind of cases, and responds again later
Fener said:
wouldn't quite call it a rise, lol. I just happen to be less tired after work today than usual, and am somewhat lucid (possibly because I basically passed out in front of my computer last night, soon after writing that "Hey , you're here" post @ HP....)
and it just so happens that I heavily dislike being accused of lurking. I have RL issues (work with long hours nad no net access), but when I am around, I try to contribute. It's difficult, but I try, damnint!
and it just so happens that I heavily dislike being accused of lurking. I have RL issues (work with long hours nad no net access), but when I am around, I try to contribute. It's difficult, but I try, damnint!
Nothing post, again, and again, and again, and again, and then this
Fener said:
hmmm, I've just finished another re-read of the thread
Not getting a lot of content from Me, HP, Bargahast and Gamelon. and liosan
D'riss, Serc, Telas, Kaschan and to an extent Gaalin seem to be mid range posters.
Shadow, Mockra, Omtose , Tennes having been the high posters.
I doubt that out killer would hide in the low posters--in a game like this, where he gets to posess after death, he'd want to get everyone talking to draw out the roles.
Since UB is more than just a symp in this game, I wouldn't expect a classic "look at me and pay attention to me only" behaviour from the UB--so he's probably hiding in the mid-to low range posters
sorry, I know that's not much, but that's what I'm thinking atm
Not getting a lot of content from Me, HP, Bargahast and Gamelon. and liosan
D'riss, Serc, Telas, Kaschan and to an extent Gaalin seem to be mid range posters.
Shadow, Mockra, Omtose , Tennes having been the high posters.
I doubt that out killer would hide in the low posters--in a game like this, where he gets to posess after death, he'd want to get everyone talking to draw out the roles.
Since UB is more than just a symp in this game, I wouldn't expect a classic "look at me and pay attention to me only" behaviour from the UB--so he's probably hiding in the mid-to low range posters
sorry, I know that's not much, but that's what I'm thinking atm
And then a post about him leaving for work and he will be back today.
Fener seems to be very careful about not getting anyone riled up, not posting hard information or anything that might be proven wrong later, and pulls out the old rl excuse... Thoughts on this plus the Barghast case, as in them working together?
#615 Guest_Path-Shaper_*
Posted 27 August 2008 - 03:57 PM
It is day 2, 12 hours and a half left in the day
13 players alive, 7 to lynch and to go to night
1 vote Liosan (Omtose)
4 votes Gamelon (Telas, Shadow, Gamelon, Serc)
8 have not voted (Barghast, D'riss, Fener, Galain, Hoods Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Mockra)
13 players alive, 7 to lynch and to go to night
1 vote Liosan (Omtose)
4 votes Gamelon (Telas, Shadow, Gamelon, Serc)
8 have not voted (Barghast, D'riss, Fener, Galain, Hoods Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Mockra)
#617 Guest_Galain_*
Posted 27 August 2008 - 04:02 PM
@Shadow. That is not the only post where he threating people. GRRRRRRRRRR
#618 Guest_Mockra_*
Posted 27 August 2008 - 04:04 PM
Galain;375452 said:
NO! FUck that shit! VIG me tonight ASS! I can't stand it when people throw shit like that around
Jeez...someone cant take a joke.
well fuck you very much.
#619 Guest_Mockra_*
Posted 27 August 2008 - 04:07 PM
Galain;375474 said:
@Shadow. That is not the only post where he threating people. GRRRRRRRRRR
#620 Guest_Telas_*
Posted 27 August 2008 - 04:08 PM
Gamelon;375413 said:
Is that a game for the wii or for the older Nintendo's?
I am not going to bother defending my self basically cause I have already done so. As I am sick and taking medicine and really unable to fully participate in the game I will help you guys out by
Vote Gamelon
I am not going to bother defending my self basically cause I have already done so. As I am sick and taking medicine and really unable to fully participate in the game I will help you guys out by
Vote Gamelon
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