Mafia 27: The Escape of the Benses (Game Thread)

Got a few minutes, time to answer some of the things thrown my way since I left.

Shadow;374332 said:

1. This is why I thought your play questionable

2. If you wanted a wagon, and knew it might lead to his lynch, why question Galain for helping with the wagon you wanted? It seemed to me that you didn't want to be accused of starting a wagon, if it in fact caused a Ruse lynch.

3. Then why did you vote? You already stated his WIFOM reasoning was scummy, I think your play style is scummy, so I voted, in the hopes of getting you lynched, to find out if my suspicions are correct.

Also, the fact that I have been quoting you, and pointing out inconsistencies makes you think I am scummy, "strawmanning" isn't a term I am familiar with. I am not trying to put words in your mouth, I am trying to get clarification on what you are trying to say.

1. So trying to get things to actually happen is questionable.
2. Galain's first post after my arrival and vote for Ruse (post 69) is a seemingly negative comment about it. His very next post is a vote for Ruse (post 71). I felt that was worthy of comment.
3. Recon, reactions, response. The three Rs. What info can I get from it in the form of reactions of other players and the responses of the target. ie, Info, right now. Not once a lynch happens, not tomorrow. Now.

As to strawmanning, a prime example from Shadow.

Shadow;374312 said:

No, I stated that it was interesting that my vote on Omtose for bullying was considered weak, while his case on Ruse(the question of Kaschan silencing himself) is considered strong.

I am acusing Omtose of being reckless/ruthless, and suggesting thats how Big Ben would play. And to clarify, I am saying that Omtoses reasoning (pushing weak cases for the sake of lynching) is scummy, instead of trying to catch slips or looking for scummy play. Even on day 1 it is counter productive to start a train in the hopes that we can lynch just for the sake of getting a lynch, I would rather that we look at the gameplay of others and present cases based on that, as opposed to bullying and hoping that a train forms "for more information on day 2", regardless of the case, which is what Omtose would like to see.

First underlined bit: I haven't pushed any case on Ruse. I voted and gave a reason. Never have I called for others to vote Ruse and I haven't been hounding everything he says as I would be doing if I was trying to push his lynch.

Second underlined bit: Instead of looking for scummy play? My vote for Ruse was based on scummy play. Weakly scummy, I know (I have never said otherwise), but scummy non-the-less.

Third underlined bit: Lynching for the sake of getting a lynch is something I have never suggested or advocated at any point. Ever.

Fourth underlined bit: I never said for more information on day 2. I said for information (and maybe that was misinterpreted), but I meant now, in the form of discussion, reactions and responses - as mentioned above.

All of these are instances of strawmanning (as stated the last may be simple misinterpretation), presenting as fact (see the bolded bit at the end) things which I have never said or done.

Serc;374333 said:

Shadow is not strawmanning you. Stop accusing others of what you are doing, it is a poor misdirection tactic.

You 'wonder' where you said you are voting for Ruse to get more information, despite the fact you have said numerous times that the only information on day one is trains and lynches.

The strawmanning point is addressed above. I never said lynches, just trains: how they form and how the people the form on react. Lycnhes do offer information, lots of it actually, but not on day one - which is where we are now.

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