[Grief]

Yeah, but another thing to remember is that we havent really seen K'rul pissed off yet. He might fight ferociously when hes angry.

Personally I reckon someone like K'rul could take him down. The magic slaver dude does it. Ok, he doesnt kill him. This is a mage. We're told K'ruls had(may not still have) the kinda power Rake has.

Also, im wondering about the warren of Chaos. I reckon it would bypass his immunity. No reasons particularly, its just that seems its nature, that it creeps past and infiltrates things, like a disease. After all, great ravens are also pretty much immune to all but the strongest magic, and if they survive, they get stronger(perhaps also the nature of the CG, in which case hes absorbed all the power of the chainings, making him ridiculously powerful). Chaos however can kill the ravens.

Also you've got to consider, what would make Karsa go after K'rul. They've never even met.

Altough it kinda makes sense in the way that, if Karsa was after K'rul, you can see why the FA would intervene. Although it also would for Killy quite possibly.

Edit: We are told K'rul hasnt got weaker as such, just that the nature of his power has changed(iirc, this is what K'rul says in MoI)

[fafner]

his powers are more dream based that is imo the reason that kruppe got that powerboost.
the first thing that krul did was blessing/giving power to the dream of kruppe with the camp fire.

[Grief]

fafner;369470 said:

personally i believe what the errant said in RG that the whole war was between old and new. so every old god need to have a new one that want to take over his power. so lets say that we got
errant - paran
krull - CG?
MD -?
draconus - kallor?
tiam - ?

Im pretty sure Paran doesnt really want to take over from errant. Also, the errant abandoned his position, for a new one, which is more related to oppons. In fact, this comparisson is drawn at one point(i think RG, not sure) where errant calls them pretenders.

I cant see the CG making new warrens and replacing K'rul. In fact, if you think about it its the other way around, K'rul replacing the CG. After all, chaos was there before the warrens, we are told, and K'rul imposed them upon the chaos(with the exception of some of the elder ones, which seem to have been close to chaos anyway). The CG is a god of chaos, so K'rul imposed order upon him, and he wants it back how it was. It isnt the CG being new, its K'rul.

The only being of darkness with enough power to supplant MD would be Rake, and I doubt he would do it, or perhaps Draconus, if he is.

I believe that Tiam and MD are the embodiments of KG and SD, which is why they existed at the same time/before chaos. I doubt she can really be replaced, I mean, how many dragons that can come back to life are flying around.

Draconus/Kallor sounds possible. Draconus is described as being a cruel tyrant before he gets killed by Rake.

There is also:

Edge-whoever is trying to rule shadow, whether its ST or the Eres' child, or someone else.

Sister of the cold nights-?

Fener-Treach

Hood-Dassem

[Ammanas]

Grief;369452 said:

Rallick Nom owns Turban Orr(a swordsman) in a duel.
Im pretty sure Kalam at some point has killed warriors. As has Apsalar.
Cutter owns Gorlas.

Assassins dont do too badly, it just depends how good they are in relation to who they're fighting.

Well, Nom and Cutter were fighting councilmen/duellists, not warriors. Gorlas was nothing unless he was fighting over-the-hill duellists. Turban Orr was more clueless than Chaur.

Apsalar is basically Cotillion(a god) so she doesn't count.

[The Deragoth]

Ammanas;369537 said:

Well, Nom and Cutter were fighting councilmen/duellists, not warriors. Gorlas was nothing unless he was fighting over-the-hill duellists. Turban Orr was more clueless than Chaur.

Apsalar is basically Cotillion(a god) so she doesn't count.

I agree, and even if you mostly ignore their relative skill levels a duelist appears to be trained in very strict, ceremony based combat with weapons that are not inherently good for actual combat.

[aginor]

Ammanas;369420 said:

Maybe. Just have to point out that MBoTF assassins have not fared well at all when it comes to facing warriors one on one. Cotillion is the exception, I suppose. Didn't he kill Edur warriors after the sorcerers in HoC? Or was it only sorcerers?

He visited the Edur ships at Drift Avalii after taking out the mages in the courtyard. None were left.

[aginor]

fafner;369470 said:

personally i believe what the errant said in RG that the whole war was between old and new. so every old god need to have a new one that want to take over his power. so lets say that we got
errant - paran
krull - CG?
MD -?
draconus - kallor?
tiam - ?

In some cases more than one new god takes over the old one's place as in the Lord and Lady for the Errant. The lord's push and lady's pull opposed to the "nudge" of the Errant although he is Master of the Tiles. The battle also takes place between the Warrens and the Holds. Beak and Bottle both comment on the nature of the Holds as opposed to the Warrens in Reaper's Gale.

[gavagai]

i am a bit disappointed with karas role in TtH. he just seemed to be not as badass as he used to be (speaking of that the seconed didn't really impress me either, just fighting some hounds...)
the important question is, why should karsa stay in darujisthan? and well, we know karsa, why should he do, what Hood askes him to do? the first question leads one to think that K'rul will be karsas victim (we know of no other important god in darujisthan and karsa will surely kill a very important god), the second question points at the CG - karsas archenemy. thats more or less all evidenz we have, so i don't see any reason why it won't be K'rul or the CG (i am sure karsa is capable of killing both, why not? its karsa, he just does what he wants to do)

[Mentalist]

Grief;369533 said:

There is also:

Edge-whoever is trying to rule shadow, whether its ST or the Eres' child, or someone else.

Sister of the cold nights-?

Fener-Treach

Hood-Dassem

hmm
there have been TONS of gods of War. If anything, the Wolves are the ones that run the show now. Treach was deemed "too inexperienced"

What I find really interesting is the position of Mael in all this. of all the EGs we see, he's the most active one, and also the one with the greatest standing strength that's constantly available to him. there seems to be no-one who'd challenge him for the his position over the seas, either.

[deejayvee]

I say it will be the Crippled God that Karsa is to kill. In HoC, at the end of chapter 21, when talking to Siballe, he declares as much:

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A House is just another prison. And I have had enough of prisons. Raise walls around me and I will knock them down.

Doubt my words, Crippled God, to your regret....

I don't think he would be able to by himself, but I also don't think he is expected to. I would guess that whoever told Picker to give the message to Karsa is planning to use him as a weapon to do the act, but many other plans are in place to provide the opportunity for Karsa to strike the final blow.

[HoosierDaddy]

Well... there is extraneous information to show that this is most likely not the case, as the Crippled God is the main arc in the MBotF. Evidently Cam is going to pick up Karsa's storyline, and I doubt that the main arc of this series will be delegated away. I could be wrong though. The C.G. seems like the obvious choice from the info that SE's books give us, but that other information makes me think differently.

[dktorode]

gavagai;370563 said:

the important question is, why should karsa stay in darujisthan? and well, we know karsa, why should he do, what Hood askes him to do?

He will do it because it apparently is the only chance he will ever get to fulfill a Vow he had once made.

You know Karsa and his vows

[Mentalist]

HoosierDaddy;371342 said:

Well... there is extraneous information to show that this is most likely not the case, as the Crippled God is the main arc in the MBotF. Evidently Cam is going to pick up Karsa's storyline, and I doubt that the main arc of this series will be delegated away. I could be wrong though. The C.G. seems like the obvious choice from the info that SE's books give us, but that other information makes me think differently.

I recall hearing that there were 3 main arcs
CG's one, KE's another, and Malaz is the third one.

however, that was a very long time ago, and SO many things have popped up since then (Jade, Stormriders, and the Eleint and all that SD spawned, to name a few), that we are no longer sure of just about anything.