[Leanoric]

Don't know if this has been done anywhere else, but thought it might be interesting to see how each of the books has advanced the whole Crippled God plot.

GotM - Erm....
DG - Well...
MoI - We learn the CGs poison is killing Burn. QuickBen works it so that Omtose Phellack slows down the poison inside her. The House of Chains is formed.
HoC - CG tries to recruit Karsa but fails
MT - Rhulad gets the sword and becomes the CGs champion. CG sort of rules an empire through Rhulad.
BH - Hmmm
RG - Rhulad is taken out, CG loses control of his empire, his sword is destroyed.
TtH - erm..

Actually, this is harder than it seems. Sure, there is the whole back and forth or armies and stuff, but how much of it has actually *changed* the situation with the CG? I'm assuming the whole fight-against-chaos thing in Drganipur is nothing to do with the CG. What about the KCCM?

I eagerly await your superior input.

[Dance]

What about the Empire (I think in MoI) that Envy + Seguleh + Toc/Tool go against? Can't remember the name of it, but I thought it was CG based as well. Pannion?

[Aptorian]

Leanoric;357095 said:

Don't know if this has been done anywhere else, but thought it might be interesting to see how each of the books has advanced the whole Crippled God plot.

GotM - Erm...

DG - Well... Monoch Ochem and friends are hunting the Unbound? The T'lan Imass reveal that they kill servants of the chained one

MoI - We learn the CGs poison is killing Burn. QuickBen works it so that Omtose Phellack slows down the poison inside her. The House of Chains is formed.

HoC - CG tries to recruit Karsa but fails - Means to steal the fragment of shadow. The Unbound are introduced. The CG may make a go for the Teblor through the Unbound.

MT - Rhulad gets the sword and becomes the CGs champion. CG sort of rules an empire through Rhulad.

BH - Hmmm... Through the Edur the CG makes a play for both the First Throne of the T'lan Imass and the "true throne of shadow". The CG has allied with the goddess of pestilence allthough actually Poleil ment for Burn to destroy the CG.The CG has the Destriant of Treach assassinated and steals Felisin the Fatter for her to become the leader of the Salvation Army. Why is anyones guess...

RG - Rhulad is taken out, CG loses control of his empire, his sword is destroyed. The followers of D'rek and probably other temples aswell, have alligned themselves with the CG. D'rek kills them all.

TtH - erm.. The CG is now a well known, widespread deity. Kallor makes a play for the Throne in the House of Chains. Munugg has become a high priest in the Darujistan temple.

I've added some more CG related points to your list

[Leanoric]

Thanks, that fills out the list quite nicely

Anyone else? I mean, with over 7000 pages of the series so far, surely we can come up with a few more points? Or does it really emphasize the subtlety of the CG plot, and the importance of what may, at least in one sense, be considered subplots (although some are quite major subplots).

[The Dark Wanderer]

i thought D'rek went on a killing spree at the beginning of BH and we figured it out at the end of BH?

I think it's also important that the CG is building up a priesthood in Darujhistan as he's not manifested there before which suggests that he's gaining worshippers in lots of places. May lead into a link between worshippers and gods again? Also was Munugg part of the HoC or just a High Priest?

[HoosierDaddy]

Originally Posted by Leanoric
Don't know if this has been done anywhere else, but thought it might be interesting to see how each of the books has advanced the whole Crippled God plot.

GotM - Erm... With K'rul's return the Elder Gods, of which the Chained One is part of, come back into play.

DG - Well... Monoch Ochem and friends are hunting the Unbound? The T'lan Imass reveal that they kill servants of the chained one

MoI - We learn the CGs poison is killing Burn. QuickBen works it so that Omtose Phellack slows down the poison inside her. The House of Chains is formed. We have our first C.G. controlled empire, the Pannion Domin.

HoC - CG tries to recruit Karsa but fails - Means to steal the fragment of shadow. The Unbound are introduced. The CG may make a go for the Teblor through the Unbound.

MT - Rhulad gets the sword and becomes the CGs champion. CG sort of rules an empire through Rhulad.

BH - Hmmm... Through the Edur the CG makes a play for both the First Throne of the T'lan Imass and the "true throne of shadow". The CG has allied with the goddess of pestilence allthough actually Poleil ment for Burn to destroy the CG.The CG has the Destriant of Treach assassinated and steals Felisin the Fatter for her to become the leader of the Salvation Army. Why is anyones guess... We learn that the C.G. is preying on K.E., chaos is fraying all of its sundered edges, making all of Emurlahn more vulnerable to his power.

RG - Rhulad is taken out, CG loses control of his empire, his sword is destroyed. The followers of D'rek and probably other temples aswell, have alligned themselves with the CG. D'rek kills them all. The C.G. attempts to gain a Toblakain empire controlled by Karsa, but is refused.

TtH - erm.. The CG is now a well known, widespread deity. Kallor makes a play for the Throne in the House of Chains. Munugg has become a high priest in the Darujistan temple. While the chaos is affecting Burn physically, the C.G. is also assaulting Burn mentally. Someone help with the quote here?

Added a teensy bit.

[Sinisdar Toste]

HoosierDaddy;357131 said:

GotM - Erm... With K'rul's return the Elder Gods, of which the Chained One is part of, come back into play.

not confirmed for sure, in fact most of the references we get to the CG refer to him as an alien god... what that means is unclear to me, the tiste are also called aliens. certainly from Cot and kalse, ampelas and eloths convo in BH there is a much inference that he is. which elder gods that we know of are unnacounted for? grizzin farl, someone recently asked steve about this guy and steve acted like he didn't know the name, i think, so probably not. others? only one i can think of is Father Light, who could be anybody. osserc, edgewalker and the CG are actually my leading candidates, ranked in reverse probability here.

[HoosierDaddy]

Sinisdar Toste;357312 said:

not confirmed for sure, in fact most of the references we get to the CG refer to him as an alien god... what that means is unclear to me, the tiste are also called aliens. certainly from Cot and kalse, ampelas and eloths convo in BH there is a much inference that he is. which elder gods that we know of are unnacounted for? grizzin farl, someone recently asked steve about this guy and steve acted like he didn't know the name, i think, so probably not. others? only one i can think of is Father Light, who could be anybody. osserc, edgewalker and the CG are actually my leading candidates, ranked in reverse probability here.

Well, we know that it's K'rul's coming out party after walking into Chaos a long time ago. The conversation in TBH I am counting as proof that C.G. is elder, but I could be wrong. Cotillion thinks it is very important and it is the crux of his questioning... up until the "a sundered warren is the weakest one of all!" statement.

[buddhacat]

The Crippled God became active (as far as the current books go) long before Krul returned in GoTM. MT is about 10 years before GoTM; the Pannion Domin started several years before GotM as well.

[Sinisdar Toste]

k'ruls return is not neccesarily the respawn date for the elder gods. nightchill and mael had been hanging around for thousands of years.

[HoosierDaddy]

Yes, while the elder Gods have been "around", they haven't really been doing anything other than just hanging out. They have become active in the world's games since K'rul's arrival. Mael's fooling around with Tehol doesn't count as being active.

[Leanoric]

Sinisdar Toste;357312 said:

which elder gods that we know of are unnacounted for? grizzin farl, someone recently asked steve about this guy and steve acted like he didn't know the name, i think, so probably not.

Are you thinking of when I asked SE about Grallin and he didn't konw who I was talking about, even after I explained it to him. Or did someone do the same thing with Grizzin Farl?

[Aptorian]

I remember someone mentioning Grizzin Farl at a signing. Erikson said we shouldn't count on seeing him.

So probably either dead or faded away.

[Illuyankas]

I asked if we'd see him in the series, Steve said probably not.

[Skywalker]

Building on the work done by Leanoric, Apt and HoosierDaddy.

I think rather than calling it the 'Crippled God' storyline, we should call it the 'Pantheon War' storyline... of course, the CG started it...

Quote

GotM - The Malazan Empire's expansion plans on Genabackis fail before obstinate Darujhistan. Laseen/ Dujek/ Whiskeyjack/ Tayschrenn somehow know a war among the gods is coming and this defeat will require significant restrategizing. Erm... With K'rul's return the Elder Gods, of which the Chained One is part of, come back into play.

DG - Seven Cities erupts in a rebellion because the CG makes a play for a Kurald Emurlahn fragment (through Onrack's former wife/ gal), further weakening what is perhaps the only human empire that could choose to interfere in the war among the gods. Monoch Ochem and friends are hunting the Unbound in the Nascent. The T'lan Imass reveal that they kill servants of the chained one... Fener falls because Heboric touches the Jade statue. Felisin becomes Sha'ik. Cartheron Crust is revealed to be alive

MoI - We learn the CGs poison is killing Burn. QuickBen works it so that Omtose Phellack slows down the poison inside her. The House of Chains is formed. The Throne of War is occupied by Toggy and Fanny. Gethol, Munug and Kallor take a position in the House of Chains. We have our first C.G. controlled empire, the Pannion Domin. WJ/ Dujek pretend to break away from the Malazan Empire. Paran becomes Master of the Deck - so a mortal will be in a position to mediate the war that is brewing. He also decides to sanction the House of Chains. Gruntle becomes Mortal Sword of Treach. Silverfox takes control of the T'lan Imass. Caladan Brood's quandary is revealed. Toc the Younger becomes Anaster Toc, mortal sword of the wolves of winter. Whiskeyjack dies.

HoC - CG tries to recruit Karsa but fails - Means to steal the fragment of shadow. The Unbound are introduced. The CG may make a go for the Teblor through the Unbound. The Adjunct Tavore is takes over the 14th Army and delivers vengeance to Raraku. The CG's play for Raraku fails. The (now ascended) dead Bridgeburners are revealed in the battle for Raraku. Urko Crust is revealed to be alive. (the old guard will have consequences in RoTCG one assumes)

MT - Rhulad gets the sword and becomes the CGs champion. CG sort of rules an empire through Rhulad. Also controls the Demon realms and floods a portion of Kurald Emurlahn. The hunt for champions begins. Mael and the Errant are revealed to be still active on Lether. The Cedance/ Tiles are shown as an alternative to Deck of Dragons/ Cards

BH - Hmmm... Through the Edur the CG makes a play for both the First Throne of the T'lan Imass and the "true throne of shadow". The CG has allied with the goddess of pestilence allthough actually Poleil ment for Burn to destroy the CG. The CG has the Destriant of Treach assassinated and steals Felisin the Fatter for her to become the leader of the Salvation Army. Why is anyones guess... We learn that the C.G. is preying on K.E., chaos is fraying all of its sundered edges, making all of Emurlahn more vulnerable to his power. The Seven Cities rebellion finally ends at Y'ghatan, forming the Bonehunters. The Queen of Dreams, the Deragoth, Osserc, Soliel are drawn into the fray. KCCM skykeeps are amassing in the Imperial Warren. The Chained dragons in Shadow, Edgewalker, Traveller/ Dassem, Andarist, the Nimander Andii group are all introduced.

RG - Rhulad is taken out, CG loses control of his empire, his sword is destroyed. The followers of D'rek and probably other temples aswell, have alligned themselves with the CG. D'rek kills them all. The C.G. attempts to gain a Toblakain empire controlled by Karsa, but is refused. The Redmask storyline reveals a connection to the KCCM. Toc dies (again) and is half-claimed by Hood. Silchas Ruin is at large and puts an Azath at the gates of Starvald Demelain (which somehow has a bunch of dead Eleint in it. Sukul Ankhadu, Menandore, Sheltatha Lore are pwned. Rud Ellale is introduced. QB gets god-like power (remember he will prove one of the most formidable CG opponents). Hedge returns, along the way hinting at who and what Hood was.

TtH - The CG is now a well known, widespread deity. Kallor makes a play for the Throne in the House of Chains. Munug has become a high priest in the Darujistan temple. Gothos is revealed to be active and somehow involved with the Azath. The Redeemer moves toward becoming a 'stronger' god. Mother Dark comes out of retirement. Anomander Rake dies - he was perhaps one of the most formidable people to oppose the CG. Critically, in the prologue K'rul reveals that while he is not IN the war of the gods, he may well 'be the prize' Hood dies - death has no lord any more. The Hounds of Light come into play.While the chaos is affecting Burn physically, the C.G. is also assaulting Burn mentally. Someone help with the quote here?

Hmm... I'll stop here for a breather. What does everyone think?

[Leanoric]

Thanks everyone for their extra input. It's actually surprisingly nice to see those plot points picked out and linked together. The MBotF can be so long and complicated that its often hard to keep track of one plotline - and the whole CG is of course a fairly major plotline.

@skywalker - Thanks for adding some more detail again. I agree that yours would be more a 'War of the Pantheon' thing than a 'CG plotline' thing. Whilst yours is also very interesting it does (obviously) contain many things which are only indirectly related to the CG. Hence, I liked it without those details as it helped me grasp the CG plot a little better. But I also liked it *with* your additions, as it helps me see how the other gods are using the war with the CG to advanced their own agendas, settle old debts and so on. Have a miniscule amount of rep

[Jason]

Okay... about a chapter after my head exploded from the sheer badassness of that convergence there is a Draconus bit where it says something about him forging the CGs chains with Broods hammer.

Then I am sure there is another bit about the CGs chains breaking.

I think perhaps we may have all been a little blown away by the epicness of things to have been able to focus on those two throw away sentences which have huge ramifications for the CG plotline.

Unfortunately my book is on the other side of the world at the moment so I can't give quotes... if someone else would be so kind?

[Abyss]

The point is made somewhere or other that the CG actually may have a few empires on the go, not just the Pannions and Leth/Edur.

GotM is key because Dujek and his army are outlawed specifically to permit them to ally with Rake and co against the CG.

DG is a stretch, but Rel and Dom's entire plan to support the revolution then end it and seize the Malazan Empire from Laseen destabilizes the Empire, an empire which was, according to MoI, opposing the CG. There may be a link, there may not, but it seems suspect.


- Abyss, ..oh c'mon, it's not THAT big a stretch....

[Fisher Kel Tath]

Jason, on Aug 22 2008, 11:10 PM, said:

Okay... about a chapter after my head exploded from the sheer badassness of that convergence there is a Draconus bit where it says something about him forging the CGs chains with Broods hammer.

Then I am sure there is another bit about the CGs chains breaking.

I think perhaps we may have all been a little blown away by the epicness of things to have been able to focus on those two throw away sentences which have huge ramifications for the CG plotline.

Unfortunately my book is on the other side of the world at the moment so I can't give quotes... if someone else would be so kind?

What Draconus is referring to there is the snapping of chains within the sword. Or rather, the chains binding the Fallen to the Wandering Gate. This is all on page 880-881.

From Draconus, page 881

"The echo of that snapping chain haunted him. Someone's broken loose. How? Even the Hounds of Shadow could only slip free by plunging into Kurald Galain's black heart. Their chains did not break. Dragnipur's essential integrity had not been damaged.

But now....someone's broken loose.

How?"

Then if you flip back to page 873, you read,
"With a gasp of agony, Apsal'ara lunged backward along the beam. The skin of her hands and forearms had blackened. She kicked in desperate need, pushing herself still farther from that swirling vortex of darkness. Sliding on her back, over the grease of sweat, bile and blood. Steam rose from her arms. her fingers were twisted like roots---

The pain was so vast it was almost exquisite. She writhed, twisted in its grip, and then pitched down from the beam. Chains rapped agains the sodden wood. Her weight pulled them down in a rattle and she heard something break."

So I would think Draconus is referring to the chain snapping which is attached to Apsal'ara.

This post has been edited by Fisher Kel Tath: 27 September 2008 - 12:56 PM

[blackzoid]

Abyss, on Aug 28 2008, 08:47 PM, said:

The point is made somewhere or other that the CG actually may have a few empires on the go, not just the Pannions and Leth/Edur.

GotM is key because Dujek and his army are outlawed specifically to permit them to ally with Rake and co against the CG.

DG is a stretch, but Rel and Dom's entire plan to support the revolution then end it and seize the Malazan Empire from Laseen destabilizes the Empire, an empire which was, according to MoI, opposing the CG. There may be a link, there may not, but it seems suspect.


- Abyss, ..oh c'mon, it's not THAT big a stretch....

No spoilers but the point is made in RoTCG that the Crippled God is not down for the count yet.
Not by a long shot.