[blewin]

We've had GotM the title explained in GotM and again, in BH (or was it RG? don't remember exactly). And now we have a preceding novel (ToH) introducing/explaining the title of the next book. Curious. I'm excited and at the same time worried about the amount of philosophising in DoD. Still, if it's more show than tell, that's be perfect.

Vote for the most obscure title in the series! I'd give it to either GotM, MoI or DoD.

[Illuyankas]

There's a mention of dreams becoming dust in TTH, though I have no idea where in the book it is right now.

And Steve has said that DoD is going to be something like all setup for The Crippled God, which will be all payoff. So there might be some philosophising.

[Optimus Prime]

Sounds like a Set-up book with Huge Cliffhangers.

[Sinisdar Toste]

dust of dreams is to the crippled god as george herbert is to george w. except good.

for most obscure title... i vote none! they all have very intrinsic meanings to their plots.

[HoosierDaddy]

Illuyankas;352980 said:

There's a mention of dreams becoming dust in TTH, though I have no idea where in the book it is right now.

And Steve has said that DoD is going to be something like all setup for The Crippled God, which will be all payoff. So there might be some philosophising.

If dreams becoming dust is the "dust of dreams" this lends credence to my "crazy theory". Dust as in death: K'Rul, I am only useful in dreams, better watch himself. See my post in Crazy Theories After TTH!

[Greymane]

Dust is linked to the T'lan Imass throughout the series as well. It's also a running theme with the rise and fall of civilisations throughoutthe books.

[Optimus Prime]

It's obviously gonna have a lot of shit "going down" in it, but also leaving us driven nuts by many cliffhangers, I think SE has hinted as much in one of the latest interviews.

[HoosierDaddy]

Optimus Prime;353049 said:

It's obviously gonna have a lot of shit "going down" in it, but also leaving us driven nuts by many cliffhangers, I think SE has hinted as much in one of the latest interviews.

Yeah, I've read that as well.

[Optimus Prime]

I'm guessing we are going to get more on the Jaghut.....seems that there is so much more to their story than previously thought.

[HoosierDaddy]

Optimus Prime;353053 said:

I'm guessing we are going to get more on the Jaghut.....seems that there is so much more to their story than previously thought.

TTH lays out just how pitiful the plight of the Jaghut has been. Has there been a more pitiable race in all of fantastydom?

[Optimus Prime]

I don't know, that's a tough one.

Probably not, though Tolkien's elves in the Silmarillion are pretty depressing.

[HoosierDaddy]

Optimus Prime;353069 said:

I don't know, that's a tough one.

Probably not, though Tolkien's elves in the Silmarillion are pretty depressing.

While after leaving the place of beginning their lives are basically those of any mortals dealing with a dark influence. They, however, unlike the Jaghut, have a salvation after the boat reaches the blessed isle or whatever it is called. The Jaghut just get to look forward to whatever creature wants to kill them, service to a God, or service with an Azath.

[Silencer]

Depends whether the Jaghut brought it on themselves. The Elves in the Silmarillion sort of brought most of it on themselves. Obviously there were some other players but....

Don't forget that Toll the Hounds was foreshadowed in RG - "enough blood to pay the Hounds' Toll"

[Optimus Prime]

We'll need to save this for another thread, .

I guess we'll see Silchas Ruin in the next book? I can't see him having a happy ending, either. Though Rake's death really isn't tragedy because we don't know the state of his soul....if he's back with MD he may be content. He did save his people and basically their warren/world.

[HoosierDaddy]

Silencer;353077 said:

Depends whether the Jaghut brought it on themselves. The Elves in the Silmarillion sort of brought most of it on themselves. Obviously there were some other players but....

Don't forget that Toll the Hounds was foreshadowed in RG - "enough blood to pay the Hounds' Toll"

From everything we've read it seems that, outside of the Tyrants, the Jaghut seem to be the most basically good race. They fight death, they fight the KCCM, they fight other Tyrants, they try to stop Imass from killing them, and evidently they fight crazy FAs, and apart from that they just chill out in towers that they build. I can get behind a Jaghut peacenik movement.

[Optimus Prime]

I disagree, there aren't any "good" races. They stand aside and could use their power for the greater good...couldn't they? Being a "pacifist" is sometimes just as bad as being an aggressor...yes...I know...shocking words from a liberal

[HoosierDaddy]

Optimus Prime;353085 said:

I disagree, there aren't any "good" races. They stand aside and could use their power for the greater good...couldn't they? Being a "pacifist" is sometimes just as bad as being an aggressor...yes...I know...shocking words from a liberal

Okay, how about the least evil race? It seems that from everything we know they could of done a lot more bad stuff than they have done. Maybe I'm just a Jaghut apologist.

[Optimus Prime]

HoosierDaddy;353087 said:

Okay, how about the least evil race? It seems that from everything we know they could of done a lot more bad stuff than they have done. Maybe I'm just a Jaghut apologist.

Maybe

We don't know enough about them yet...their total history. I used to think the Andii were the most "wronged" race...but it appears they brought a lot of their problems on themselves....don't forget, the Jaghut were also the ones who ignored the Imass....and only after the threat of their own Tyrants reached dangerous levels...did they decide to do anything about it.

[Silencer]

The thing is....do you judge a race as a whole, or do you count all the "bad" members as well? Because if you look at the Tyrants the Jaghut have potential to be one of the most "evil" races. Then you've got the KCCM who basically created death - or at least ensured that everything WOULD eventually die.
The FA, while their motives are pure, go around killing everything. The T'lan Imass decided to conduct major genocide - once again with good motives, but still.
So there really isn't any race that is "good" or "least evil" - they all have their bad sides.

[Optimus Prime]

That's why it's such a fun world.

The Tiste peoples have their issues, to put it mildly.

We don't know enough about the Toblakai, Trell, Barghast peoples history...but they fight and kill just like Humans, so yeah...no good peeps anywhere!