[caladanbrood]

BeLeG;353296 said:

ps:do we really want to have a Rake trilogy?
A Rake POV may destroy his super cool status....and I want Rake to remain super-cool in my mind,but I wont resist this trilogy

I don't think it's a case of what we want

Besides, why do you assume it'll be any more from his PoV than what we've seen so far? It's a trilogy about Rake, doesn't mean it's from his PoV.

[Dance]

Am the only one under the impression that Kallor = Dessimbelackis? I simply thought he had multiple names or he had chosen a new one over time to avoid worshipers.

[Imperial Historian]

Kallor and Dessimbelackis are two completely different people, who ruled two different empires at roughly the same time, there hasn't even been a suggestion that they are the same person as far as I'm aware.

re: anomander rake pov, SE mentioned at the bbq that it has been a deliberate choice of his not to use an anomander rake pov, as he didn't think he would be capable of writing the pov of someone hundreds of thousands years old, with such immense power as he believed he couldn't even begin to understand how such a person thinks. So unless it's very early in rake's history, don't expect a POV in my book.

[Dance]

Imperial Historian;353429 said:

Kallor and Dessimbelackis are two completely different people, who ruled two different empires at roughly the same time, there hasn't even been a suggestion that they are the same person as far as I'm aware.

I thought both had been referred to as emperor of the human "First Empire".

I can't access my books at the moment though - I don't remember any direct references, but there have been other name changes without SE explicitly laying them out. It's been a while since I've read the first few books though, which most of the Kallor stuff is in.

[Illuyankas]

Nah, the Kallorian Empire began several years after the First Empire was born. I think we worked out that the First Empire was 50,000 years old, as it was just beginning when the CG fell 120,000 years ago and the Rage of Kallor happened, and it died - causing the Lether colony to achieve autonomy - around 70,000 years ago.

[Dance]

Illuyankas;353455 said:

Nah, the Kallorian Empire began several years after the First Empire was born. I think we worked out that the First Empire was 50,000 years old, as it was just beginning when the CG fell 120,000 years ago and the Rage of Kallor happened, and it died - causing the Lether colony to achieve autonomy - around 70,000 years ago.

Is there a link to where this was discussed (assuming it was online)? Would be an interesting read I think.

[Illuyankas]

It's inferred from two concrete dates and one almost-concrete-but-it's-not-specifically-stated-so-someone-will-take-issue-with-it date. The concrete ones are the Fall of the Crippled God, 120,000 years ago, and when Icarium built the device in the destroyed city in DG, 90,000 years ago, confirming the First Empire lasted at least 30,000 years. The extra 20,000 come from MT, when the Ceda suggests to Brys that Lether might have knocked off some zeros from the figure of 7,000 years ago that they split from the First Empire, making it either 70,000 or 700,000 years ago. The latter doesn't make sense as it would make it 400,000 years older than the Imass, so it has to be 70,000 years ago, but you can argue it if you think it's wrong.

If you find or remember any other dates from DG or HOC about the Beast Ritual's age, then by all means post it.

[Dance]

I would argue that as with other areas we should throw out the hard dates, but I have the feeling they are accurate on the macro scale.

Regardless, I found a reference to Dessimbelackis being d'iver, which pretty conclusively shows Kallor != Dessimbelackis. I'll have to do some rereading with that in mind.

[anothevilbadguy]

Is it not generally held Dessim's soul is split between the remaining Deragoth? There is certainly a link between them. Anyways it seems the 1st Empire based from Seven Cities, and Kallor's was on Jakaraku (sp?). It is near certain they are different people. There would have been some mention of Kallor with soultaken, i.e. fall of 1st empire. The only possibility is if Kallor completely reinvented himself. Although he does mention at one point of having more than one empire, but either bravado, or other empire's of a lesser scale.