[Illuyankas]

Spinnock the ephebophile? And yeah, that would elevate Kallor to maybe Karsa levels of asskicking.

Oh, and I'm glad I was right that the nice Seerdomin from MOI was the one to take the surrender, and got my wish that he survived. Anyone think that he's properly dead now? Or did Itkovian save something of him? He is being worshipped too, after all.

(Itkdeemer? Rekovian? Itkoveemer?)

[Obdigore]

Revokian. Hahhahaa.

Anyway, yea Seerdomin is dead, but he saved the Redeemer from the dying god (who was the shitty parts of Belurdan, right?).

What is an ephebophile?
Also, why/how is Spinnock in love with the dead-seed girl, and is she still alive, or did she die when Silanah decided to cleanse the pilgrem camp?

[Quick~]

Obdigore;341691 said:

Fisher has some flippant remark when someone asks him if there is a god of bards... but I am at work and I can't just flip through the book right now.

I can't remember if he was asked or whether he was mentioning to someone (Duiker) about their being no god of bards? Something makes me think it was the latter? Like yourself I don't have my book to hand. Well hopefully he shows up again and we get some more solid information about him since he's a pretty damn interesting character.

Revokian haha, brilliance xD

[Use Of Weapons]

re: Tulas Shorn. Is it possible that the punishment of being Shorn in Edur society was named after him, for some reason? Well, I guess it's possible, but does anyone have any information either way?

[Illuyankas]

@Obdi: Yeah, Bellurdan, and I know Seerdomin died ages ago, but I was wondering if Dead Seed Girl had killed his soul or had Revokian (heh, it's his name now) saved it.

Also, yeah, he should still be, and I think she was saved when the Redeemer did the whole 'group hug' thing.

As for ephebophile; where pedophile roughly means attracted to children of puberty and younger, ephebophile roughly means attracted to those between puberty and legality. It's covered by pedophilia, but it's just a tad more accurate. And considering all the references to Salind? Selind? Salad's 'youthful, still-not-finished-growing body' during the book, and Spinnock's age, you can see why I'd think so. But yeah, Salad's alive.

[Obdigore]

SE was definantally more motivated with Sex this time around.

Salad's (Yes, thats her name now) robe kept falling open to reveal adolescent breasts, and numerous people had sore vagina's...

Perhaps Seerdomin is now Knight of HHRedemption?
Revokian is king.... Salad is seer... Will spinnock step into HHRedemption, or will he become knight of Dark, replacing Rake...

Kallor is still in the House of Chains, right? What place does Tulas take?

[Illuyankas]

Maybe Salad should buy a belt.

And why not Nimander getting Knight? There's still Captain for Spinnock, as well. And Magi is open, right? Or was that Munug's place?






It's probably my inner 40k geek talking, but whenever they mentioned the Redeemer, I kept imagining this guy:



From now on, whenever I read MOI, Itkovian's head is going to be on fire. This might ruin the solemnity of certain scenes.

[Obdigore]

As noted, Nimander is good with a sword, be he isn't epic good, like Spinnock or Rake or Dassem...

Do we know which positions in HHDark are open? KNight is, what else? I would assume we would see houses filling up pretty soon here.

I assume with the Magi/Munug thing you were talking about House of Chains for Tulas? No idea there.

[Ursus]

It wouldnt be revolutionizing to have two gods of the same aspect. We have the redeemer of others in Itkovian and the redeemer of self in Seerdomin. Two personalities and two functions to balance the aspect. It would solve the various issues the faith has.
But heck, anyones guess would be as good.

[Ursus]

Quick~;341725 said:

I can't remember if he was asked or whether he was mentioning to someone (Duiker) about their being no god of bards? Something makes me think it was the latter?

I cant quote it but in a conversation with Fisher Duiker mention that there is no god of historians and make an inquiry of Fisher. Fisher says there is indeed no god of bards either and that is their blessing because they have no ties and no bias or somethign along those lines. Historians and bards are the only people who are truly free of influence.

[Illuyankas]

Sounds like something a god of bards would say.

@Obdi: Maybe Nimander will be Captain, which implies a more command-based role, with Spinnock in Knight. Or (hopefully not) Clip.

[Obdigore]

That is about what I would assume Illy.

I wonder if Clip is going to become an adherent to the CG after his possession.

[Quick~]

Ursus;341789 said:

I cant quote it but in a conversation with Fisher Duiker mention that there is no god of historians and make an inquiry of Fisher. Fisher says there is indeed no god of bards either and that is their blessing because they have no ties and no bias or somethign along those lines. Historians and bards are the only people who are truly free of influence.

ah ok, thanks for clearing that one up Ursus.

I don't really think it's something a god of bards would say as such Illy, i'd have expected a more cryptic answer...of course Fisher could be denying his godhood so no one twigs he's a god and thus he evades responsibility >_< ah complications, I'll still go for ascendant lol.

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@ Obdi, I rather hope Clip does become a CG adherent since otherwise I think he'll feel like he's been rather...empty.

[Ursus]

It's also worth noticing that someone (was it a BB...?) says about Fisher something along the lines of 'bullshit, that ain't Fisher, he'd have to be several hundred years old!'

[Obdigore]

Yes, I think it was 'a hundred', but yes something like that was said by one of the retired BB's.

[Shalok-Gul]

It is definitley fisher the guy whose poetry we keep seeing,

Spoiler

I found his hooking up with envy interesting though!

[o-bomb]

Again my book is on loan However, I seem to recall Fisher actually confirming that he was at least 100 years old and never confirming or denying the remainder BB conversation.

[Urb]

Crazy theory: Itkovian will take Hood's job now.

That is all.

[Agraba]

I have two crazy theories immediately after finishing the book:

This one is put together by both a conversation between Hedge and Emroth(?) in RG, and one between Kallor and Tulas Shorn:

I think the Jaghut are the sole reason that there is an afterlife. As in, before them, death was just an ordinary plain death - ceasing to exist. Then they fashioned a ritual; similar to the Imass ritual that would affect all T'lan Imass, but this one would affect all life in the future; and it was a ritual so major that it took legions of Jaghut as well as dragons to create. And the nature of the ritual is to allow your personality and essence that defines your self to exist after death, free of the body's constraints. So the afterlife is really nothing but a sorcerous spell fashioned by the Jaghut.

My other theory is that the tiny speck that Torvald Nom spots beyond the moon (he mused that it could be a world bigger than their own); the one described by Kruppe as the green, blue and ochre world beyond is Earth, millions of years in the past (our past, their present). Recall that the fragments of the moon took up a third of the sky; even if our moon shattered it wouldn't take up nearly that much! So the fragments that were sailing away towards that distant world would go into orbit and form our very own moon. In the past we were two bodies in binary orbit that were orbiting the sun. But a major catastrophic event will destroy Wu completely and we will be left alone.

[tiam]

o-bomb;342388 said:

Again my book is on loan However, I seem to recall Fisher actually confirming that he was at least 100 years old and never confirming or denying the remainder BB conversation.

On the whole fisher topic people are having trouble with theres numerous things to take int consideration.

As someone stated one of the BB said 'that cant be him hed have to be 100 years old.'. Its also sad that there is no god of Bards stated by Fisher himself. On top of that theres the fact he hooks up with Envy, who wouldnt likely go with a hundred year old who looks quite sharp, and also the fact that Duiker says 'The bards Immortal'. Also he completely does over Talo Krafars brother or cousin or something whos now the guild leader.

The facts sort of add to a dormant ascendent whos immortal and has admirable Gesler esque strength. Hes the same Fisher who wrote the 'ancient tale' of Anomandaris mentioned in GOTM so it seems it could be ancient as Fisher has likely been going for a thousand years atleast, probably more as he knows alot about Rake.