[q21]

Mentalist;373485 said:

hmmm.. Q, what about the "Jaghut Bridge of Death" place from tBH?

I did think about that... but I don't own any of the books before RG and haven't had a chance to take BH out of the library again. When I do get the chance to reread BH I may rework that theory where applicable. For now though it lives in the crazy theory section as it is only the beginnings of a whole theory.

[prq]

Mentalist;373299 said:

I do wonder, what's Mael's agenda in all this. He's the only EG (that we know of) who still retains an incredible amount of power, and he was against Errant's attempts to r-energize the Holds...

I thought that the amount of power that Mael holds could be enough for the other "players" (Hood, ST...) to want him gone. Also isn't Mael some sort of "rival" of Hood? I seem to remember from MT that dead souls go to Hood - except if they drown, then they go to Mael... or something similar?

[prq]

q21;373483 said:

q21's crazy theories time.

1) Picker is now Soletaken.
To get her soul back to her body she had to drink something in that place... wherever the hell that was. Blood, and especially the drinking thereof, is one of the routes to Soletaken(ness/dom/hood) - the Soletaken Eleint are described as having partaken of Tiam's blood, for example. I think she inadvertently took something back with her.

That doesn't seem a crazy theory at all - it makes sense! I'm guessing due to her connection to Treach (the torc) she would have a tigress soletaken form, thus making the "Meow!" joke between her and Blend even funnier!

If Gruntle is Trake's Mortal Sword, Picker should be Trake's Herald

[q21]

Could be, that was the least crazy of my theories...but this seemed like an appropriate place to put it.

[Raraku]

q21;373483 said:

q21's crazy theories time.

1) Picker is now Soletaken.
To get her soul back to her body she had to drink something in that place... wherever the hell that was. Blood, and especially the drinking thereof, is one of the routes to Soletaken(ness/dom/hood) - the Soletaken Eleint are described as having partaken of Tiam's blood, for example. I think she inadvertently took something back with her.

2) Chaur comes back as a High Mage of Tyr.
As he's being dragged into the Azath there is the description of Paths of Light opening up in his mind. Paths = Warrens... sort of... Even if he does gain some classical higher thought ability I reckon retains a lot of the what can and can't move method of sensory processing... just the limits on what can and can't be moved change a little.

3) Random Jaghut war/ Hood speculation.
I don't actually possess all the books so quite a bit of this is going on memory.

Firstly, Jaghut don't believe that there is an afterlife, they don't believe they have souls as such... correct? So why is the God of Death/the Afterlife a Jaghut? I think they know just how much BS an afterlife is, seeing as one of there own is the guy who Ruled it. I reckon the whole Jaghut war was an attempt to defeat death completely, although they themselves were immortal they pitied other races who died and then simply ceased to exist.

The reason I think their war on death as not for themselves was brought on by Kallor's response to that story. (The guy almost cried...) They lost, since there is still death, but they didn't get completely owned. What they did succeed in doing was to create an afterlife so that death wasn't truly final for, what are to them, the younger races. The result was that anything natural to Wu that died would go to Hood for safe keeping.

Since the Tiste are alien it would explain why the Andii are trapped once they die and it might explain why all the good characters who die in RG go to get a scene at Hood's gate, except Trull, who is Edur, and therefore alien to Wu.

Finally... Paran still owes Hood a favour. Maybe Hood plans to take his Throne back eventually and needs Paran's help to do so?

4) Whiskeyjack is from Seven Cities?
When Toc (least I think it was Toc) hears Whiskeyjack referred to as Iskar Jarak he wonders why Whiskeyjack is using a Seven Citites name. I always thought he was Malazan...

I don't think thats true. He s Quan Talian cause Dunsparrow is one and Fid and Whiskeyjack saved her from Hoods temple in Quan Tali.

[q21]

That's what I thought too, but someone makes the comment that Iskar Jarak is a Seven Citites name... I can't check exactly who (but I think it was Toc) since my book is on lone with a friend. But I'm pretty sure someone said it.

[Sinisdar Toste]

iskar jarak was the name given WJ by the anibar, a people of seven cities. he's originally from quon tali

[q21]

I need to reread some of the earlier books again then, I don't remember that.

[Sinisdar Toste]

yeah its really obscure, the aniber tell karsa and samar about it. they think WJ was a god, the "iron king"

[Grief]

Thinks its iron prophet no?

As I remember one of the things at the beginning of chapters as being taken from the code(or something) of Iskar Jarak, the Iron Prophet.

[Mentalist]

hmm
that bit also had Samar Dev talking to the Anibar about their view of time as thwo shores of the river, with thee present being a bridge, and the bridge was burning... or something like that...

not sure whether that fits something, but I thoght it was curious.

[fafner]

after rereading the comments of spite at the end of the book i am wondering what is at the end? but when i look at it there was one thing why rake can be the end.

we know that rake got blood of MD and was KG in Wu but what if the tiam part is almost as powerful in him as the KG part. (this is a really big chance because every time his cart is played he is half dragon. this also explain why MD was pissed of)
so what if rake released not only MD but also resurrected Tiam. That can mean an end for Spite and all the other Dragons/ half dragons the games.

but then there is also the comment of Osseric that none of the elder gods needs a sire so i was thinking can a lot of those elder gods that have Tiam blood where the brothers/sisters of Rake and got a aspect/godhood from the warrens they choose.
We know that osseric is seen as fatherlight by his tiste so lets say he got the warrens srec(sky) and light(elder)
rake KG + SD
Ruin KG + Light (he can make light in KG btw it would be funny if he is the moonlord you know with the gardens when you are in a azath garden)
Shorn KE + ?
Dracconus SD + mortal darkness?

[Zorland]

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BH pg 428 UK
Karsa Orlong looked at Samar Dev. "What is this frozen time, witch?"
"The past , Teblor"
She watched his eyes narrow thoughtfully, then he grunted and said, "And the unfound time is the future, meaning that now is the flowing time-"
"Yes!" Boatfinder cried...
"(Samar) Boatfinder, the Iron Prophet came to you long ago - in the frozen time - yet he spoke to you of the unfound time."
"Yes, you understand, witch. Iksar Jarak speaks but one language, yet within is each and all. He is the Iron Prophet. The King"
...
"Where," she asked, "is Iksar Jarak's kingdom?"
Sudden tears in the man's eyes. "An answer we yearn to find. It is lost-"
"In the unfound time."
"Yes"
"Iksar Jarak was a Mezla."
"Yes"
..."Boatfinder, tell me, from the frozen time to the flowing time, is there a bridge?"
His smile was wistful, filled with longing. "There is."
"But you cannot cross it"
"No"
"Because it's burning"

I don't have much to add beyond the quote. This passage has always greatly confused me. With the addition of TtH, I can only guess that Whiskeyjack's future kingdom might come in the land of the dead.

[Lister of Smeg]

Having recently completed a reread of DG and being partway through MoI, I've come up with a couple of new crazy(ish?) theories. I'm not really sure how they tie in, but here goes.

1) The Crippled God's old aspect has been talked about a lot on these forums, but I've had a new (I think) idea based on something Crone says in MoI (Page 131).

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The Great Ravens were born like maggots in the flesh of the Fallen One and that, oh, that will damn us! But wait! Have we not been honourable guardians of the Crippled God's magic?

So the Ravens possess the CG's magic. Yet they can absorb any sorcery thrown at them (there's a quote somewhere in MoI that it actually boosts their immunity). So the CG's power can absorb magic. Does that maean his aspect has something to do with otataral? SE said somewhere in an interview that the Otataral Dragon has a role to play in the series (I'm sure I read that; anyone got a link?). Is there a link between it and the CG?

I'm not sure how this ties in with his followers coming in Jade Giants that seem able to fight against otataral. Unless it was these giants that actually caused the otataral on the island and in other places? That might work, if the creations from the CG's world made otataral which absorbs magic like he does.

2) This one's more of a gut feeling than anything else. In DG, while he's on the Silanda, Kulp says his Meanas warren is "eager" when normally it acts like it's not interested. This seemed weird to me when I reread it, especially as Kulp also wonders if the warrens aren't actually living beings. When I put this together with Seren Pedac's conversation with Mockra, it made me wonder if both Seren and Kulp interacted with the dragons that are aspected to those warrens.

What do you think? Anything to add? It's finding tidbits like this that made me want to reread the entire series.

[fafner]

if the Ravens are maggots why not the otataral is his blood what he lost when he fell

[prq]

Actually could Otaratal be the "poison" the CG used on K'rul's veins (warrens) ?

[Sinisdar Toste]

theres a treach quote from MoI where he reflects on the beast ritual saying, "we destroyed the eastlands, turning them into a substance that defied even magic" the eastlands of the FE are now ottataral island. the CG isn't the only source. it seems to arise wherever magic is to overpowered for even the planet to handle. in the laederon plateau the teblor use blood oil, which is ottataral and their was at one point a huge jaghut ritual in that area. rake found moons spawn in one of the melting glaciers too, more evidence that it was a ritual.

[Grief]

Hood, I expected, wanted Rake to kill him.

1. Universe saving etc.
2. He's possibly the only person that Hood would be certain could stop Dassem from getting him.

[Bent]

Kruppe will kill Karsa. No reason just thought it would be ironic..

~See this is why I stay in the Inn.

[fortyseven]

Paran's Hound thing from MOI is a Hound of the Master of the Deck, it just hadn't separated yet