[HoosierDaddy]

Illuyankas;368049 said:

Nader's closet is AWESOME

Illy: is that why you haven't come out yet? ZING!

Nader isn't a bad guy, but his time is past for presidential elections. He and the Greens did a decent job of promoting environmental issues which have now been subsumed by the big 2.

[Terez]

Bent;367735 said:

Edwards just admitted to adultery.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080808/ap_on_.../edwards_affair

See, this is why conservatives are better.

I hope you're not serious. But just in case you are...

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Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd was arrested on suspicion of soliciting sex with an 8-year-old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.

Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year-old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year-old girls.

Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain was charged with having sex with a teenage boy and unlawful sexual contact with a minor.

Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church President Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year-old girl he murdered.

Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year-old girl.

Republican racist United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year-old black girl, which produced a child.

Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was charged with molesting his 9-year-old stepdaughter after including her in an anti-Gore television commercial.

Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his stepdaughter.

Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline was placed under house arrest for child molestation and possession of child pornography.

Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year-old boy and possession of child pornography.

Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11-year-old girl.

Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year-old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year-old girl.

Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year-old boy.

Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was found guilty of having sex with a 15-year-old girl.

Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.

Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.

Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year-old girl.

Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15-year-old girl and served 6 months in prison.

Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

Republican president of the New York City Housing Development Corp. Russell Harding pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer.

Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was found guilty of raping a 15-year-old girl. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.

Republican Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized the rape of children in Iraqi prisons in order to humiliate their parents into providing information about the anti-American insurgency.

And those are just child molestation issues. There are tons of Republican sex scandals that don't fall into that category...

[Terez]

Optimus Prime;368044 said:

John Edwards certainly isn't helping us

I think we should have disassociated ourselves from him a long time ago, but partisan blindness to schmucks is hardly limited to Republicans just because they have more schmucks.

And this crap is just dumb. Can't they come up with anything better?

[Illuyankas]

I see Mark Foley isn't on that list, it must be because he was a Democrat Congressman. Fox News says so, it must be true.

[HoosierDaddy]

Illuyankas;368080 said:

Fox News says so, it must be true.

Fox News is easily the most reputable and non-biased news source in media history.

[Shinrei]

Optimus Prime;366202 said:

A couple of points.

Shin...you listen to Rush Limbaugh?!?!?!?! I just died a little inside.

Like I said, I listen to a lot of people. Have you ever actually listened to him?

I can't stand O'Reilly at all. He has guests on so he can tell them what their opinion is. He talks over everybody and is just a general jerkface. Yes, I used the word "jerkface" in a sentence.

[HoosierDaddy]

Shinrei no Shintai;368159 said:

Like I said, I listen to a lot of people. Have you ever actually listened to him?

I can't stand O'Reilly at all. He has guests on so he can tell them what their opinion is. He talks over everybody and is just a general jerkface. Yes, I used the word "jerkface" in a sentence.

And what is Limbaugh?

[Shinrei]

Well, he doesn't have guests (normally) and most callers call to agree with him, so he I've never actually heard a show where he was a jerk to anyone. I've heard him disagree with people, but he wasn't an ass about it. Granted, I've only listened to half hour chunks here and there over the past year.

The other guy I can't stand besides O'Reilly is Mike Malloy. He's another guy who cuts off and talks over any caller who starts to voice a different view than his, and then tells the audience what that person's opinion was after he has hung up on them.

Basically, I like hosts who let someone make their point and then tell them they're wrong. I don't like hosts who talk over the person and don't let them even get past their preamble.

[Adjutant Stormy~]

HoosierDaddy;368160 said:

And what is Limbaugh?

Do you even have to ask?

[Shinrei]

Adjutant Stormy;368177 said:

Do you even have to ask?

Yes. Actually I do.

Mostly because in my experience the people who "hate" Rush Limbaugh have never listened to him and never actually talk about the main theme or salient points of his radio program.

Now I know he's made some really freaking stupid comments that are supposed to be "jokes", usually repeated by other sources when there is no context provided. But I generally don't hold those types of things against people when taken against the larger backdrop of what they have to say. The man is pretty pompous and arrogant, that much is clear, but those are probably the very qualities that make him good at being an on-air personality.

For instance, I don't feel that Obama ever needed to apologize for his association with Reverand Wright. Reverand Wright's ill-advised comments account for basically 2 sound bites out of years and years of being a reverand. That sort of thing isn't something I care about and I don't think it reflects on Obama's character in any way. It doesn't change Obama's message. (therefore, I wanted to punch sean hannity for going on and on about how terrible that whole thing was. Molehill to mountain.)

Same goes for Obama's wife who said "for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country ". That sort of thing sounds like something I'd say if I wasn't being careful about how I chose my words. That quote was another molehill to mountain and shouldn't be held against her.

[Optimus Prime]

Shinrei no Shintai;368159 said:

Like I said, I listen to a lot of people. Have you ever actually listened to him?

I can't stand O'Reilly at all. He has guests on so he can tell them what their opinion is. He talks over everybody and is just a general jerkface. Yes, I used the word "jerkface" in a sentence.

For 10 seconds. The guy is full of hate Shin, I'm surprised an intelligent guy like you can stand it. Seriously.

[Terez]

I'd rather listen to Rush than ORILY any day.

We listened to Rush in my English 101 class a couple of weeks ago. Our assignment was to identify all of his claims, and then list his logical fallacies. It was a long list.

[frookenhauer]

who he who? All we got over here is Chris Moyles

[Shinrei]

Optimus Prime;368188 said:

For 10 seconds. The guy is full of hate Shin, I'm surprised an intelligent guy like you can stand it. Seriously.

I must be listening to him on his good days then.

As you probably can tell, I really dislike the talk show host if they are uncivil and boorish, and anyone who spouted some sort of message of hate, I would certainly not listen to. Rush will go on about how "liberals are the #1 threat to america" by their insidiousness or foolishness. But I have never heard him say that he "hates" liberals.

@Terez: Do you happen to have that list or some examples? Sounds interesting.

[Terez]

Shinrei no Shintai;368249 said:

@Terez: Do you happen to have that list or some examples? Sounds interesting.

How bout I just give you the transcript of the sound bite we listened to, and you can make your own list? We were asked to discuss implied claims as well (like, what was he really trying to get at here):

Rush Limbaugh said:

I want to know. I look at Iowa, I look at Illinois—I want to see the murders. I want to see the looting. I want to see all the stuff that happened in New Orleans. I see devastation in Iowa and Illinois that dwarfs what happened in New Orleans. I see people working together. I see people trying to save their property…I don’t see a bunch of people running around waving guns at helicopters, I don’t see a bunch of people running shooting cops. I don’t see a bunch of people raping people on the street. I don’t see a bunch of people doing everything they can…whining and moaning—where’s FEMA, where’s BUSH. I see the heartland of America. When I look at Iowa and when I look at Illinois, I see the backbone of America.

The reason my prof picked this one is because we were in Katrina's high destruction zone as well. We know what happened, because we lived through it (and we're still living through it in many ways, 3 years later).

[Shinrei]

Ok, the raping, shooting, looting comment is obviously falsely overblown. Also, I don't see that the damage of Katrina was any less devastating than the floods in Iowa, Illinois and Wisconsin.

The claim I see, which I agree is false, is that somehow the midwest flood victims pulled together, gritted their teeth and worked, while the poor of New Orleans just sat around and whined.

Do you mind if I ask though, why were you talking about Rush Limbaugh in English 101?

[Terez]

Shinrei no Shintai;368271 said:

Do you mind if I ask though, why were you talking about Rush Limbaugh in English 101?

Because we were covering argumentative writing, and logical fallacies, and the prof thought it would be a good exercise. We did several similar exercises, though the other ones were with written stuff.

[HoosierDaddy]

Shinrei no Shintai;368271 said:

Ok, the raping, shooting, looting comment is obviously falsely overblown. Also, I don't see that the damage of Katrina was any less devastating than the floods in Iowa, Illinois and Wisconsin.

The claim I see, which I agree is false, is that somehow the midwest flood victims pulled together, gritted their teeth and worked, while the poor of New Orleans just sat around and whined.

Do you mind if I ask though, why were you talking about Rush Limbaugh in English 101?

Honestly, reading that, all those "crimes" were reportedly committed by minorities. I think Rush is being fairly racist without blatantly crossing the line by not naming names. Reading between the lines that is what I get.

Plus Rushy boy basically thinks liberals are evil. That they want to destroy the country, and he regularly demonizes them. That is hate-mongering to me.

[Dolorous Menhir]

Bent;367735 said:

Edwards just admitted to adultery.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080808/ap_on_.../edwards_affair

See, this is why conservatives are better. Not that McCain is a conservative, but still, not quite a liberal.

I'm not sure how serious you are in the above post Bent, but I'd like to make everyone aware that McCain divorced his first wife in 1980. This was the woman who waited faithfully for him while he was in the Hanoi Hilton, and had been badly injured in a car crash. He then married his 26-year old multi-million dollar beer heiress one month later. You can read between the lines.

For more detail have a look at this article.

[Optimus Prime]

Good point DM.

Shin, you haven't listened to Rush Limbaugh enough if you still can tolerate him. I know, it's kinda a paradox