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BH, Bantam, p 686. Barathol visits Cutter who is recovering from the T'lan
attack. Cutter, "who are you?"
"The local balcksmith. Barathol Mekhar"
Cutter, "Mekhar? Kalam....
A grimace, "Cousin, distant. Mekhar refers to the tribe - it's gone now
slaughtered by Falah'd Enezgura of Aren, during one of his westward
conquests. Most of us survivors scattered far and wide."
Cutter thinking, Mekhar. This one looks big enough to pick up Kalam and
throw him across the room. By the look on his face he just might do that
given a chance.
MOI, Tor, p 299. Whiskeyjack explaining to Rake how he met Quick Ben.
Adaephon Delat, a middling wizard in the employ of one of the Seven
Holy Protectors during an abortive rebellion that originated in
Aren. Delat and eleven other mages made up the Protectors cadre. our
sorcerors were more than their match. The city the Protector was holed
up in was breached. Daseem struck down the Holy Protector - Dassem
and his First Sword chewed their way through the enemy ranks. The
Protector's cadre, seeing the death of their master, and the shattering
of the army - fled. Dassem ordered my company in pursuit out into the
desert. Our guide was a local, a man recently recruited into our own
Claw... Note: WJ addressed the recent Claw as Clawmaster. Someone
recognized talent.
MOI, p 302. Kalam talking to Whiskeyjack...."and what have I seen of this
world? Scant little. Bodyguard to a Holy Falah in Aren -"
WJ, "Why mince words, you were his private assassin."
A abortive rebellion originated at Aren
Falah'd Enezgura of Aren wiped out the Mekhar tribe
Kalam was bodyguard/assassin for a Holy Falah in Aren
Barathol, dislikes Kalam - intensely
Delat was employed by one of the Seven Cities Portectors,
not in Aren, who is part of the rebellion.
Dassem and his First Sword kill the Portector and destroys its army.
Delat, 10 mages and 1 scholar flee the city.
Dassem orders Whiskeyjack to persue.
WHO PUT DOWN THE REBELLION IN AREN/?
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Quick Ben, Barathol and Kalam
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Posted 29 May 2008 - 07:51 AM
ok. there is two aren rebellions.
one of them has barathol mekhar running out the front gates as t'lan imass slaughter the people who rebelled in his name. which he didnt ask for.
and theres one that originated in aren. but WJ and co. chased QB into RARAKU. hundreds of leagues north. so the rebellion had moved some time by then. with dassem presumably hack slashing the whole way.
tryin to place these on a timeline is kind of dificult and kalam and barathol might not even be blood related if the tribe was scattered far and wide. they just each would have a reason to not help the people of aren.
one of them has barathol mekhar running out the front gates as t'lan imass slaughter the people who rebelled in his name. which he didnt ask for.
and theres one that originated in aren. but WJ and co. chased QB into RARAKU. hundreds of leagues north. so the rebellion had moved some time by then. with dassem presumably hack slashing the whole way.
tryin to place these on a timeline is kind of dificult and kalam and barathol might not even be blood related if the tribe was scattered far and wide. they just each would have a reason to not help the people of aren.
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Posted 29 May 2008 - 07:52 AM
Ahhh, but was it that Aren rebellion or another one? We know that Surly used the T'lan Imass to put an end to the Aren Rebellion, but is that the same thing as the one Delat was sort of sideways involved in? It says an Abortive Rebellion. Surely if it was THE Aren rebellion it would have been mentioned as such.
I think the two are different. Of course, the reason Barathol dislikes Kalam is probably BECAUSE he joined with the Falah'd. We've seen with the Teblor and others how one tribe can be used to hunt members of their own......
This is uncharted territory. All we've got are bits of maps - whether or not they are the same thing remains unknown.
EDIT: Argh! Sinisdar Toste beat me to it!
But in this case: I concur.
I think the two are different. Of course, the reason Barathol dislikes Kalam is probably BECAUSE he joined with the Falah'd. We've seen with the Teblor and others how one tribe can be used to hunt members of their own......
This is uncharted territory. All we've got are bits of maps - whether or not they are the same thing remains unknown.
EDIT: Argh! Sinisdar Toste beat me to it!
But in this case: I concur.
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Posted 29 May 2008 - 03:32 PM
Of the two rebellions in question, the first one is the one Whiskeyjack is talking about. It 'originated' in Aren, but clearly spread as far north as G'danisban. Though that doesn't mean all the land in between rebelled - once word got out Aren was rebelling I'm sure a bunch of totally random cities joined in. This rebellion occured not only during the Emperor's time, but before the Emperor went journeying with Dancer and left Surly in charge.
The second major 7C rebellion may have originated anywhere, but definitely included Barathol's flight and the Aren slaughter. This means Laseen was newly in charge.
The other important event from the past is Dassem's fall at Y'Ghatan. Either Y'Ghatan was never conquered until that point and it occured shortly before the second rebellion (the citizens of Aren thought the First Sword dying would be a good time to rebel).
Or, Y'Ghatan rebelled alongside Aren in the second rebellion and was squashed first, with Dassem dying, after which Laseen took control and used the T'lan Imass to finish off the rebellion in Aren.
The second major 7C rebellion may have originated anywhere, but definitely included Barathol's flight and the Aren slaughter. This means Laseen was newly in charge.
The other important event from the past is Dassem's fall at Y'Ghatan. Either Y'Ghatan was never conquered until that point and it occured shortly before the second rebellion (the citizens of Aren thought the First Sword dying would be a good time to rebel).
Or, Y'Ghatan rebelled alongside Aren in the second rebellion and was squashed first, with Dassem dying, after which Laseen took control and used the T'lan Imass to finish off the rebellion in Aren.
worrywort, on 14 September 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:
I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.
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Posted 31 May 2008 - 06:44 AM
No, the Aren rebellion that was put down with the T'lan happened after Kell and Dancer were "killed". This at least a year (can't remember exact dates) after Dassem's fall.
The conquest of Y'Ghatan was the final part of the conquest of Seven Cities - it was the last free Holy City. However, prior to that Aren must have rebelled, having already been conquered. This would mean that the conquest of SC took several years (or more, which is understandable).
So, the events went:
Aren Conquered
Aren rebels (with QB/WJ/etc)
Y'Ghatan conquered (Dassem's fall)
Events of NoK
Second Aren rebellion (T'lan Imass)
As far as I can tell, anyway.
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Actually - reading up on Encyclopedia Malazica, there are a few different takes on this: Dujek implies that it takes place after Kell's death. Apsalar's memories, however, say that Dancer was sent to see what had happened, and then spoke to Surly.
Given thad Dujek's impression comes from MOI, I would say that it's more likely. Although Apsalar's version comes from DG, it also comes from her/Dancer's memories.
Gods. This is a mess.
"Dujek Onearm:'the T’lan Imass slaughtering the citizens of Aren. But, as even with that one, each disaster yields its truths. Laseen didn’t give that order, but someone did. Someone returned to sit down in that First Throne – and that someone was supposed to be dead – and he used the T’lan Imass to wreak vengeance on Laseen, to shake her grip on the Empire. Lo, the first hint that Emperor Kellanved wasn’t quite as dead as we would have liked."
MoI, UK Trade, p.685"
"Apsalar, speaking from Cotillion's memories, and Fiddler:'Who ordered the T'lan Imass into Aren? I shall tell you. Surly, the commander of the Claw, the woman who took upon herself a new name- Fiddler: 'Laseen...I have never before heard that assertion...There were no written orders - none found, in any case-' Apsalar: 'I should have killed her there and then...these memories...they are so clear. I was...sent to Aren...to see the slaughter. To find out what happened. I...I argued with Surly. No-one else was in the room. Just Surly and...and me.'"
DG, UK MMPB, p.195"
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The conquest of Y'Ghatan was the final part of the conquest of Seven Cities - it was the last free Holy City. However, prior to that Aren must have rebelled, having already been conquered. This would mean that the conquest of SC took several years (or more, which is understandable).
So, the events went:
Aren Conquered
Aren rebels (with QB/WJ/etc)
Y'Ghatan conquered (Dassem's fall)
Events of NoK
Second Aren rebellion (T'lan Imass)
As far as I can tell, anyway.
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Actually - reading up on Encyclopedia Malazica, there are a few different takes on this: Dujek implies that it takes place after Kell's death. Apsalar's memories, however, say that Dancer was sent to see what had happened, and then spoke to Surly.
Given thad Dujek's impression comes from MOI, I would say that it's more likely. Although Apsalar's version comes from DG, it also comes from her/Dancer's memories.
Gods. This is a mess.
"Dujek Onearm:'the T’lan Imass slaughtering the citizens of Aren. But, as even with that one, each disaster yields its truths. Laseen didn’t give that order, but someone did. Someone returned to sit down in that First Throne – and that someone was supposed to be dead – and he used the T’lan Imass to wreak vengeance on Laseen, to shake her grip on the Empire. Lo, the first hint that Emperor Kellanved wasn’t quite as dead as we would have liked."
MoI, UK Trade, p.685"
"Apsalar, speaking from Cotillion's memories, and Fiddler:'Who ordered the T'lan Imass into Aren? I shall tell you. Surly, the commander of the Claw, the woman who took upon herself a new name- Fiddler: 'Laseen...I have never before heard that assertion...There were no written orders - none found, in any case-' Apsalar: 'I should have killed her there and then...these memories...they are so clear. I was...sent to Aren...to see the slaughter. To find out what happened. I...I argued with Surly. No-one else was in the room. Just Surly and...and me.'"
DG, UK MMPB, p.195"
-There are the quotes.
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Posted 31 May 2008 - 02:32 PM
I like how Apsalar says the memories "are so clear" in that paragraph...
Hey, maybe ST dispatched Cot to see the slaughter, and wound up chatting with Laseen while he was there. It's not like she didn't know they had ascended.
Hey, maybe ST dispatched Cot to see the slaughter, and wound up chatting with Laseen while he was there. It's not like she didn't know they had ascended.
worrywort, on 14 September 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:
I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.
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Posted 31 May 2008 - 04:26 PM
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DG, UK MMPB, p.195"
A few sentences down the same page: Crokus, "It was the Rope, the patron god of
assassins, who possessed you. Yet your memories are - . Dancer's"
I know you mentioned this, but I thought it nice to keep the quote intact!
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"Apsalar, speaking from Cotillion's memories, and Fiddler:'Who ordered the T'lan Imass into Aren? I shall tell you. Surly, the commander of the Claw, the woman who took upon herself a new name- Fiddler: 'Laseen...I have never before heard that assertion...There were no written orders - none found, in any case-' Apsalar: 'I should have killed her there and then...these memories...they are so clear. I was...sent to Aren...to see the slaughter. To find out what happened. I...I argued with Surly. No-one else was in the room. Just Surly and...and me.'"
DG, UK MMPB, p.195"
A few sentences down the same page: Crokus, "It was the Rope, the patron god of
assassins, who possessed you. Yet your memories are - . Dancer's"
I know you mentioned this, but I thought it nice to keep the quote intact!
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