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#261 User is offline   Cold Iron 

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Posted 24 June 2008 - 11:38 PM

@shin,

Ecuador:
http://www.american....TED/ecuador.htm

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Many of the indigenous tribes in the Amazon region that once
numbered in the thousands have been reduced to the hundreds as a
result of the pollution generated by oil exploration and other
assaults. Water contamination has led to increased risks of
cancer, abortion, dermatitis, fungal infection, headaches, and
nausea. Their drinking, bathing, and fishing water contain
toxins much higher than the safety limits set by the U.S.
Environmental Protection Agency. Unlined waste pits provide a
major source of pollution. They contain a toxic mixture created
by the oil production and separation process. Today,
environmental regulations require these toxic by-products to be
injected deep underground. However, the Ecuadorean Union of
Popular Health Promoters has found that Petroecuador does not
follow these guidelines and continues to release the toxic wastes
directly into the environment.

The oil companies that drilled in the rain forest were
responsible for "felling thousands of acres of trees, dynamiting
the earth, spilling vast amounts of oil, destroying habitats, and
fouling rivers."3 This destruction has limited resources
available to the tribes living in the Amazon (see BRAZIL case).
Fish have died from water pollution and the game the tribes once
hunted have retreated deeper into the jungle as a result of the
deforestation. The Rainforest Action Network found that Texaco
alone spilled 17 million gallons of crude oil, abandoned hundreds
of unlined toxic waste ponds, and constructed oil roads that
opened more than 2.5 million acres of the forest to colonization.
Ecuador's rain forests are being cut down by oil companies and
settlers at a rate of approximately 340,000 hectares a year. The
wood is used for construction, roads, fuel, and furniture.


Nigeria:
http://en.wikipedia....the_Niger_Delta

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Beginning in December 1992, the conflict between Ogonis and the oil infrastructure escalated to a level of greater seriousness and intensity on both sides. Both parties began carrying out acts of violence and MOSOP issued an ultimatum to the oil companies (Shell, Chevron, and the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation) which demanded some $10 billion in accumulated royalties, damages and compensation, and "immediate stoppage of environmental degradation", and negotiations for mutual agreement on all future drilling.


http://en.wikipedia....ing_and_killing

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Drilling and Killing: Chevron and Nigeria's Oil Dictatorship is an award-winning audio documentary produced by Amy Goodman and Jeremy Scahill, mixed and engineered by Dred Scott Keyes. The piece was first aired in 1998 on Democracy Now!

The documentary revealed for the first time that Chevron played a role in the killing of two Nigerian villagers by facilitating an attack by the Nigerian Navy and Mobile Police (MOPOL).

In an interview with Democracy Now!, a Chevron official acknowledged that, on May 28, 1998, the company transported Nigerian soldiers to their Parabe oil platform and barge in the Niger Delta, which dozens of community activists had occupied. The protestors were demanding that Chevron contribute more to the development of the impoverished oil region where they live. In the interview, Chevron spokesperson Sola Omole was asked:

Q: Who took them in, on Thursday morning, the Mobile Police, the Navy?

A: We did. We did. Chevron did. We took them there.

Q: By how?

A: Helicopters, yes, we took them in.

Q: Who authorized the call for the military to come in?

A: That's Chevron's management.
...

"It is very clear that Chevron, just like Shell, uses the military to protect its oil activities. They drill and they kill," Nigerian environmental attorney Oronto Douglas told Democracy Now!.


There are so many more, but Ecuador and Nigeria are the 2 most covered by the media.
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Posted 24 June 2008 - 11:42 PM

Nice work, CI. Way to come through with some good links.
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Posted 28 June 2008 - 02:25 AM

Looks like this might be the first recorded year where all of the ice in the North Pole melts. All if it. Santa is going to be pissed...

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-scien...orth.Pole.Melt/
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Posted 28 June 2008 - 05:15 AM

RE: abuses

I think that's more of an issue of the governments of those countries- I mean, the US gives pretty sweet deals to the oil business too, but our way is to throw money at them. In Nigeria and Ecuador, etc etc. there isn't that much in the way of resources (aside from those that the companies are developing) to be granted to them. The governments, then, appease their major investors by lending them some military support...

Now the companies are not blameless, but, in Nigeria for example, I have to say that in their position, I would take the help getting protesters off of MY rig. I'm losing money, and the government is losing money. The protesters need the government on their side. They need to make the government care more about their opinion than the profit margins of the oil companies, and avoid interfering with production if at all possible- this just allies the state and the corporations against them.

Also- the Ecuadoran rain forest deforestation is NOT something you can pin on the oil multinationals...
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Posted 28 June 2008 - 06:06 AM

Adjutant Stormy;340551 said:

Also- the Ecuadoran rain forest deforestation is NOT something you can pin on the oil multinationals...


Yes you can. Not exclusively, but they are anything but blameless. This is from http://www.tropical-rainforest-animals.com...Rainforest.html , if you want the whole article go there, I'm only going to copy some of it. There are also many other articles, but this is the first one I found:

What Exactly Did the “Oil Boom” Do to Ecuador Rainforest?

Many articles have been recently written about the legal case undertaken by 30,000 Amazonian inhabitants against the oil giant Chevron. And many fights have already been fought.

But I still felt compelled to highlight, once again, the major points of this case.

From the humanitarian point of view, this case is certainly one of the worst cases of oil pollution we have ever experienced.

Let’s go back in history to the 1960s …

Our focus is on El Oriente, Ecuador’s Amazon rainforest in the east.

Before the 1960s, El Oriente was pretty much an unexplored land isolated from the rest of the country, mainly due to limited efforts to integrate it into the country’s economy and, consequently, lack of infrastructure. (4)

But the discovery of oil by Texaco (recently acquired by Chevron) by the end of the 60s brought with it the construction of roads leading straight into the then-untapped rainforests and bringing crowds of migrants with them.

This process gave rise to the “boom towns” filled with migrant construction workers for the big oil company, many of whom were of rural origin. (5)

One of such boom towns was Nueva Loja (or Lago Agrio).

Agricultural development (and therefore rainforest clearance) was taking place alongside oil production in Nueva Loja, and, according to some authors’ estimates, at least 1,400 roadside farms had been set up in this town by 1971. (6)
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Posted 29 June 2008 - 06:37 AM

Adjutant Stormy;340551 said:

RE: abuses

I think that's more of an issue of the governments of those countries- I mean, the US gives pretty sweet deals to the oil business too, but our way is to throw money at them. In Nigeria and Ecuador, etc etc. there isn't that much in the way of resources (aside from those that the companies are developing) to be granted to them. The governments, then, appease their major investors by lending them some military support...

Now the companies are not blameless, but, in Nigeria for example, I have to say that in their position, I would take the help getting protesters off of MY rig. I'm losing money, and the government is losing money. The protesters need the government on their side. They need to make the government care more about their opinion than the profit margins of the oil companies, and avoid interfering with production if at all possible- this just allies the state and the corporations against them.


This really pisses me off, an ordinary person with no direct financial ties to an oil company could not possibly be this stupid.

Do you fucking think that the protestors are doing this for fun? It is not the oil company’s prerogative to clear out protestors by any means necessary but their fucking obligation to ensure that some of the proceeds from the environmental degradation of the area they are raping goes to those who were previously reliant on it. It's a national resource, I know if I was Nigerian or Saudi or Chechnyan or Amazonian, I would first want them to fuck off, and if I couldn't get them to fuck off, I would at least want some god damn compensation.
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Posted 29 June 2008 - 06:42 AM

Let's try to turn down the flamethrower there buddy.
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Posted 29 June 2008 - 06:52 AM

Too many fucks?

Or was it calling him stupid? :mad:
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Posted 29 June 2008 - 06:54 AM

Cold Iron;340946 said:

This really pisses me off, an person could not possibly be this stupid.

Do you fucking fucking fuck off, fuck off, god damn


Non-flaming parts deleted.:mad:
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Posted 29 June 2008 - 12:15 PM

lol i like that post better
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Posted 29 June 2008 - 06:18 PM

It does have a certain directness to it...
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Posted 30 June 2008 - 02:16 AM

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/06/27/c...warming-02.html

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"Solving this problem is technologically and economically not that difficult," Harte added. "It's proving to be politically difficult."

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Posted 30 June 2008 - 03:47 AM

These discussion threads are making me want to cry.
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Posted 30 June 2008 - 03:54 AM

I'm still thinking about apocalypse orgy...
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Posted 30 June 2008 - 04:22 AM

Never a bad plan, the good old apocalypse orgy. Much better than post-apocalypse orgy, which are at least half zombies and mutants.
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Posted 01 July 2008 - 12:38 AM

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The President (2012) said:

Please proceed, Governor.

Chris Christie (2016) said:

There it is.

Elizabeth Warren (2020) said:

And no, I’m not talking about Donald Trump. I’m talking about Mayor Bloomberg.
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Posted 01 July 2008 - 12:40 AM

Needs an update. Those granny panties from 1990 are HUGE by today's standards!:mad:
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Posted 01 July 2008 - 12:46 AM

Commando ftw
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Posted 01 July 2008 - 12:53 AM

Not always. But now we're just getting sidetracked.
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Posted 07 July 2008 - 10:44 PM

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/07/07/s...de-warming.html

There is something seriously wrong with some people.
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