[Stonecrow]

james9700;284844 said:

TWO QUESTIONS AND ONE LUNATIC THEORY HERE

1)"What does High mean in regards to warren usage?"

Tayschrenn seemed stunned in GoTM when Tatter said "I have wards about my room, the innermost of which are High Thyr" We all know Brood practices High Denul. Of course, for many warrens, this is never mentioned--Pust never claims to use High Rashan or High Meanas, for example.

So does High indicate using an Elder warren? High Thyr=Kurald Thryllan, not Thyr. I thought it was merely a level of mastery but surely Brood, being an ascendant, isn't using the human warren Denul when practicing High Denul.

My guess was the ordinary warrens..Rashan, etc.. are used by people with certain amounts of skill. Other people with greater capacities for power can draw on equivalent Elder warrens.

This theory is flawed cuz 1) for many warrens, this is never mentioned--Pust never claims to use High Rashan or High Meanas, for example. 2) It's never been even remotely hinted that any mortal shadowdancer uses KG instead of Rashan for instance. I'm assuming KG would be the elder counterpart to Rashan.

I like your line of thought. I would say that tacking "High" on to something is a denotation of the users level of mastery. Not mandatory but helpful. It sets Brood apart from Mallet if you will.

[Spectrum]

james9700;284844 said:

... but surely Brood, being an ascendant, isn't using the human warren Denul when practicing High Denul.

Why not?

According to Enclypaedia Malazica, 'He’s human – some say with Barghast blood' (GotM, UK Trade, p.53).

So why shouldn't he be using human warrens?

[Ammanas]

Spectrum;284927 said:

Why not?

According to Enclypaedia Malazica, 'He’s human – some say with Barghast blood' (GotM, UK Trade, p.53).

So why shouldn't he be using human warrens?

Well, have some rep. In the future, I will consult Encyclopaedia Malazica before posting. I remember Brood as being Barghast, not human.

[D'rek]

Besides, we've never heard of an elder warren of healing. Even Soliel uses Denul. Plus, the Paths are not truly 'human warrens'. They are usable by many races, but humans tend to be unable to use the other warrens.

[Spectrum]

james9700;285001 said:

Well, have some rep.

Hey, thanks. w00t.

[IgnatiusKruppe]

I dunno why, but i feel like Denaeth Rusen and Denul are the same thing

[Sinisdar Toste]

IgnatiusKruppe, on 10 September 2011 - 03:07 AM, said:

I dunno why, but i feel like Denaeth Rusen and Denul are the same thing

while we haven't seen anything to suggest that they are related, it makes a sort of sense. denaeth rusen is the warren where life first arose, while denul restores life to health. i'd imagine that their mechanics are very similar.

though from what we find in the books, denul seems closer to hood than anything. as deadsmell says, 'denul's giving, hood's taking away'

[IgnatiusKruppe]

True, although if the warren where life first began was in some way the negation or flip/side of the realm where all life ends up that wouldn't
seem like too much of a stretch.

[Silk]

hmmm, I think Pratchetts Hogfather sums this conundrum up. Towards the end of the book when Death is talking to his granddaughter about what happens if the Hogfather is not there to see in the new day.... the sun will rise and the world will continue... but belief will take a beating so to speak. So in essence the world has always been there but worshippers have assigned a mortal facade to it.

[D'iversify]

I feel the dependency of warrens on 'Wu' is a tiered matter. Some are very clearly independent worlds, e.g. the Kuralds, whereas others appear wholly products of the world of Malaz and its gods and peoples. Specifically, K'rul's warrens I believe are likely of the 'substance' of this main world and have only been separated through a process of shaping. The Holds I think are in many cases of an otherworldly content (chaos in origin) but have been drawn in and formed by agents operating in 'Wu'.

[IgnatiusKruppe]

Plus on Lether they heal but they don't use Denul, correct? I seem to remember someone being healed via KE? And Bugg heals Janath so comprehensively.
Isn't there a part in an earlier book where someone says they could heal the flesh but they'd need someone practicing High Denul to heal the mental/
emotional type scars?

I'm starting to get closer to convincing myself that High Denul is related to ol Mael

[Luzburg]

In The Bonehunters. When deadsmell is healing someone, bottle senses hood's warren from him and concludes he is a necromancer.

So that might suggest that they are linked. Life and Death are intertwined afterall.

This post has been edited by Luzburg: 23 September 2011 - 07:52 AM

[Kanese S's]

Aptorian Sharktopus, on 02 April 2008 - 08:23 PM, said:

The only ones I'm sort of I doubt about are Mocra and Ruse.

Mocra is a warren and a conciouness of the warrens, but I don't think it has a physical maniphestation.

Ruse is the warren of the sea and I think that's where the warren presides, it litterally is the oceans of Wu/Burn.

All the others seem to have land, civilizations and history... of some kind.

I dunno, I kinda think Ruse has its own place, due to

Spoiler

the place the Crimson Guard fleet goes in RotCG... doesn't exactly seem a part of the rest of the world they inhabit

[Zenstrive]

So far, I have read through Reaper's Gale, and this is what I speculate about Warrens:

1. First, Mother Dark and Father Light made love.
2. Ordered world are born, K'rul is that world.
3. His two important organs are Wu (the brain), and Starvald Demelain (the heart).
3.The Blood vessels are the warrens to circulate his energy from his heart to his brain and vice versa. Within the warrens he created worlds.
3. He then asked MD and FL other children, The Dragons, to aspect each world with their blood to flow along his blood into the worlds. So that's why there are different worlds with different aspects, thus different organs. The Kuralds and their derivations maybe the energy generator, Denul the lymph nodes. His limbs maybe the Gravity based warren used by K'Chain Che'malle, the sentient beings that raise from the blood of the dragons.
5. Other gods were born from the consciousness of the Dragons intermingled with the Aspect of each warrens: Mael, Kilmandaros, Draconus, Nightchill, etc, etc.
6. On the world we know as Wu, Kilmandaros was born and she derived from him the beings who slowly developed sentiences: Jhag, TTT, Eresal.
7. Kuralds people then invaded Wu due to K'chain Che'malle messing up with Mother Dark.

Outside the influence of the K'rul made world is the forces of Chaos, the dead end of a Universe long dead before the birth of Malazan universe. But chaotic sea, souls are still intact, informations that have no place to go. Triggered by MD and FL betrayal that conspired to create another Universe, the souls then merged together to create another Universe.

The two universes are probably less than a galaxy big.

Some souls merged together to become gods. The gods bombed K'rul through Wu (the gate of the world) with the "jade giants" made of souls that failed the merge into the universe. K'rul reacted by directing the bombs into a spot that later becomes Otataral Island, aspecting it with deteriorating entropy, from the blood of Otataral Dragon.

Then some poor mages call upon those gods, and Kaminsod was intrigued: "Here is a people from this treason world calling unto a god outside K'rul...hmm...interesting". Then the rituals went awry due to the pull of Otataral Island breaking Kaminsod aparts.





Don't believe me. Speculations, mostly.
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[Sinisdar Toste]

o_O interesting, nonetheless.

[Spoilsport Stonny]

I like it.