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#1 User is offline   BellaGrace 

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 02:37 PM

In SE's books, I seem to recall Barathol being named a cousin/distant relative of Kalam.

I'm 60% through OST and last night I read the scene where Barathol comes up on the BBs using munitions to blow up the wall and Topper comes out and says "you're the brother of Kalam" and Barathol says "yes".

Is this just an case of SE and ICE just losing track of one detail, or were they brothers and I just am remembering wrong?
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Posted 27 March 2015 - 04:34 PM

Cousins i think.....Ought to be in Bonehunters ........will check

Yup cousin. Try chapter 14

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 07:27 PM

Bonehunters, Chapter 14, p.686 (UK mass market paperback)

Questioned about the relationship, Barathol says: "Cousin, distant. Mekhar refers to the tribe..."


OST, Chapter 11, p.447 (UK paperback)

In my copy, Topper asks Barathol if he is Kalam's relation and Barathol answers 'yes'.
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Posted 27 March 2015 - 08:02 PM

Cousins, but it makes you wonder if its dangerous to give your relation to either of the men, so maybe the truth isnt as easy as what he says.

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 08:36 PM

View Posttheocean, on 27 March 2015 - 08:02 PM, said:

Cousins, but it makes you wonder if its dangerous to give your relation to either of the men, so maybe the truth isnt as easy as what he says.


I would agree with that. Just because Barathol names Kalam a distant relation/cousin etc, does not mean that it's proof that they are not more closely related. Plenty of instances in real life of people denying all knowledge of family members. In Barathol's case, I am guessing that a total denial, due to resemblance and name wouldn't work.

Edit: corrected spelling

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 10:30 PM

View PostEgwene, on 27 March 2015 - 07:27 PM, said:

Bonehunters, Chapter 14, p.686 (UK mass market paperback)

Questioned about the relationship, Barathol says: "Cousin, distant. Mekhar refers to the tribe..."


OST, Chapter 11, p.447 (UK paperback)

In my copy, Topper asks Barathol if he is Kalam's relation and Barathol answers 'yes'.


Huh, interesting, mine says "Brother"

Either way I think it's just a case of ICE losing track of a detail from one of SE's books. There's a ton of ways to explain it, but I think it's just a simple oversight in details.

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 11:32 PM

Yah, my copy says "relation" as well, so you're probably right. It's an original OSTism!
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Posted 28 March 2015 - 03:49 PM

Could be your copy was an early edition, BellaGrace, before someone spotted the mistake. Could be worth a fortune in years to come!
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Posted 28 March 2015 - 09:14 PM

View PostEgwene, on 28 March 2015 - 03:49 PM, said:

Could be your copy was an early edition, BellaGrace, before someone spotted the mistake. Could be worth a fortune in years to come!


If only....!!

I did find another reference to Barathol being called Kalam's brother last night.

t's a Tor paperback - copyright 2012. I bought it used on Amazon - it was a library copy which apparently no one read because it looked brand new.
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Posted 28 March 2015 - 11:14 PM

I loved going to the library as a child and seeing books 3-7 in a series and never reading it because they didn't have the first two.
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Posted 29 March 2015 - 11:09 PM

And when they have book 3 part 2 and not a fucking sight of any preceding "parts".
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Posted 30 March 2015 - 03:01 PM

View PostTiam is an Imploding Unit, on 29 March 2015 - 11:09 PM, said:

And when they have book 3 part 2 and not a fucking sight of any preceding "parts".


Not sure where you guys live but most libraries will order books you request - especially when they already have part of the series. I've done it several times and they've always bought the book.
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Posted 06 May 2015 - 08:58 PM

My ebook copy (Barnes and Noble) says brother as well. Just bought it a few weeks ago.
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Posted 07 May 2015 - 03:39 PM

In the Bonehunters it's cousin for sure - also like the bit when Cutter thinks to himself that Barathol is so much bigger than Kalam that he could likely throw him round the room.

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