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Quantum Mafia It sounds wrong - that's why it's quantummechanically correct

#1 User is offline   Lizradusa 

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Posted 29 October 2014 - 08:07 PM

"Do you know that thought experiment about Schrödinger's Cat?"
"Yes, it's that one where you put a cat and a radioactively triggered poison into a box. And since you can't observe it, it is dead and alive."
"Exactly. Now, I want to try that. Here I have a box with the poison and some holes, so the cat can breath, and a cat . . ." *puts cat into the box*
". . ."
"Now, how do I see if my cat is really dead and alive?"
". . . you didn't thought that one through, did you?"
"I did! . . . Just maybe not as sufficiently as I should have. . . "

A short period of awkward silence later:
"Can you hear that hissing sound?"
"Yes, it's coming from the air holes of your box. I would guess that your cat is not alive anymore and definitly dead."
"And we?"

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Current status on all players:
Player - alive - dead -town - scum
1..........0%...100%..100%.....0%
2........100%...0%.....0% ..100%
3..........0%...100%....0%...100%
4..........0%...100%..100%.....0%
5..........0%...100%..100%.....0%
6........100%.....0%..100%.....0%
7........100%.....0%..100%.....0%
8..........0%...100%..100%.....0%
9...........0%..100%..100%......0%
10.........0%...100%..100%.....0%
11........100%.....0%..100%.....0%
12.........0%...100%..100%.....0%
13.........0%...100%..100%.....0%

Number of possible realities: 1

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 12 November 2014 - 04:58 PM

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Posted 29 October 2014 - 08:55 PM

I stole the idea for this game from here.

The idea behind this game stems from quantum mechanics (duh). There you can't make fixed predictions, but only say something about the probability with which a particle can be found at a certain point. This probability is the square of the absolute value of the so called Schrödingers Equation, which is a wave equation. That way it is possible for a system to be in more than one state at once, eg. Schrödingers Cat being alive and dead at the same time.

Now, for the purpose of the game, you start out as dead and alive and as town and scum all at once.
The game will contain 1 finder, 2 killers, one of which will only get to kill after the first on is dead, so he will inherit the kill. The rest are RI. At the beginning of the game, there will be multiple realities - one for every possible role distribution.
Each night you submit for every possible role you have - so I want killing and finding orders from each of you every night.

How kills are resolved:
You kill is resolved in every reality, where you have the ability to kill and terminates all realities, in which your target is your fellow killer. Your target loses some of probability to be alive. If everyone targets a single player in the same night, that player is 100% dead, since there is no reality left, in which he would be alive.

How finds are resolved:
According to the probabilities of the found player being town or scum, I will tell you if the player is town or scum.
For example player A is 67% town and 33% scum. Random dice roll gives me 94 --> you will find the player as scum.
If a player is later determined to be the opposite of what you found, all realities in which you are the finder are removed.

How lynches are resolved:
These are resolved the same way findings are resolved, so according to probabilities of being town/scum I will randomly determine, what that player was. Since looking causes the system to be in one state (if you look, the cat is dead or alive), the player will be 100% dead and 100% town/scum. All realities in which the player is not what the lynch showed him to be will be terminated.

In the end we should hopefully end up with just on reality.

I will post an overview over how many percent everyone is dead, alive, town and scum and the number of possible realities at the beginning of each day in the first post of the day and the OP. For that every player will get a letter, so he can see his current status.

Other than that is really just a normal game. :unworthy:

Days will be 36 hours. Night will be instant, so make sure you get provisionals in. The only exception will be Night 0, with which the game starts, which will be 36 hours or until everyone has submitted orders. Yes, the game starts with night, since it's boring if everyone starts out with the same probabilities day one. Night 0 will either start sunday night or monday morning, depending on how much time it takes for me to set stuff up.
Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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Posted 02 November 2014 - 05:25 PM

GAME MECHANICS

1 - General Structure
Players may begin posting as soon as the mods announce that the game has started on the thread. The game begins during the day. The day ends when when a sufficient number of people have voted to lynch a player (remove that player from the game) or voted to end the day without a lynch. Many games also have time limits on the days, and if no consensus is reached when the time expires, the day ends with no lynch. When the day phase has ended, night begins. The mods will then post a scene reporting the outcome of the day. Players may continue posting in the thread (unless they've been voted out) but no voting is allowed. Night ends when the mods post the morning scene reporting the outcome of the night actions. Day and night phases continue to alternate until the game ends.

2 - Day Phase
During the day, players may post in the thread and vote. Some roles may have special powers which can be used during the day.

2.1 - Voting Mechanics
To vote for a player: bold "vote" and that player's name.
To vote to end the day without a lynch: bold the phrase "vote night".
To remove your vote without casting a new vote: bold the phrase "remove vote".
To change your vote for a player: First bold remove vote then vote for the new player.

The vote should be positioned at the end of a post, and be clearly seperated from the rest of the post. Example:


Quote

your text, many quotes, brilliant arguments and a clever and convincing conclusion. Alternatively, a lame joke.

remove vote

vote Killer




2.2 - Voting Restrictions
You may only vote during the day phase. You can only have one vote outstanding at any time. You may not edit a vote into a post. You may not edit a vote out of a post.

2.3 - Bold Restrictions
The use of bold should be limited to voting. If you want to emphasize a players name or another word, you can underline the word or post using a different color

2.4 - Majority Defined
A majority means either more than half of the active players voting for one player's lynch or half or more of the active players voting to go to night without a lynch.
Typically, if a player is modkilled during the day the majorities will not adjust.
Typically, if a player dies during the day due to a player's ability majorities will adjust.

2.5 - Ending the Day
The day ends as soon as a majority is reached (or, if the game has a day time limit and the players fail to achieve a majority, once the time limit has elapsed). Anyone lynched is no longer an active player and must not post in the thread. Votes can no longer be withdrawn and new votes cannot be cast until the night phase ends.

2.6 - Evening Scene
The mods will post a scene shortly after the day ends to report the results of the day actions. If the day ended with a player's lynch, the mods might also reveal information about the lynched player, such as the player's alt or alignment. This is the mods' choice, and they'll explain what, if any, information will be revealed in the game rules. Typically, there are no hidden clues in the evening scenes.

3 - Night Phase
During the night, players may post in the thread but may not vote. Some players will have the ability to perform special actions. Once again, the mods decide which roles will be included for their game, so be sure to fully read the game rules and any role descriptions which may be included.

3.1 - Performing a Night Action
If your role includes the ability to perform a special action at night, you need to PM the mods to indicate the action you wish to take. Most, if not all, roles have the ability to "withhold" their powers (i.e. take no action). This will be made clear to the roled players, and, usually, to all other players as well. If you chose to not perform your allowed action, you must PM "no action" to the mods. Most games have a time limit on nights. All players must PM their night actions to the mods within this timeframe. Players are strongly encouraged to send their night actions as soon as possible. You may also send in a PM for your special action during the day phase, this is very strongly encouraged.

3.2 - Contingent PM
If you send in a PM during the day phase, you may choose to list alternative actions contingent on the manner in which the day ended. If none of the contingencies you list actually occur, your PM will be disregarded, and you must send a new PM to the mods (example: if Meanas is lynched I kill Kaschan, otherwise I kill Hood's Path).

3.3 - Provisional PM
You may choose to send a provisional PM if you want to further consider your night action but do not want to extend the night if all other roled players have decided upon their actions. Provisional PMs must be clearly marked as such. A provisional PM will not be acted upon by the mods until it becomes a 'definite PM.' A provisional PM becomes definite as soon as ( a ) you confirm your choice with another PM, ( b ) all other roled players that need to send night actions have done so, or ( c ) the time limit for the night has expired.

As a courtesy to other players we ask that you confirm your provisional PM as soon as you are able.

3.4 - Last Resort PM
In extraordinary circumstances you may be allowed to send in a last resort PM. A last resort PM will not be acted upon by the mods until ( a ) you confirm your choice with another PM or ( b ) the time limit for the night has expired. Should you need to send a last resort PM, you must first seek the mods approval by explaining the circumstances that necessitate such a PM. Last resort PMs are accepted only at the discretion of the mods.

3.5 - Failure to PM
If not all PMs are received within the time limit, everyone who has failed to send in a PM will be considered to have taken no action. In addition, those who failed to send in a PM will be warned by the mods or may risk further penalties.

3.6 - Changing a Night Action
PMs to the mod can be changed at any point before the new day is announced. A PM is considered to be changed only after the mod receives and has read the PM. The player bears the risk that the mod will post the morning scene after the player has sent in a new PM but before the mod has actually read it.

3.7 - Abusing the Time Limit
If the mods have included a night time limit, it begins as soon as the previous day ended, regardless of when the mods posted the evening scene. However, this time limit is a maximum limit, and all players should send in PMs as soon as they feel comfortable doing so. Players (and mods) prefer shorter nights, as people are anxious to see who may have died and to begin voting again. If the mods feel that a player is abusing the time limit by unreasonably stalling, they may force the player to take no night action or take other appropriate action.

3.8 Preventing Night Actions
Except where expressly noted, no night actions prevent any other night actions sent in from taking effect.

3.9 - Morning Scene
The night phase ends when the mods post the morning scene. The mods will post the scene shortly after all night action PMs have been received. The scene will report any player deaths that occurred during the night, and might also reveal information about the lynched player, such as the player's alt or alignment. There are no hidden clues in the morning scenes. As soon as the scene is posted any players who have been killed at night will no longer be active players and can no longer post in the thread. The time limit for the new day will begin with the morning scene.

4 - Endgame
The game will continue to alternate between day and night phases until the game ends. The game can end after either a day or night phase.

4.1 - Winning Conditions
The game ends once one faction has reached its winning conditions, which the mods will state in a later post.

Mafia is a team game. Once one faction achieves its winning conditions, all members of that faction have won whether or not they are active players when the winning conditions are achieved.

4.2 - Ending Scene
The mods will post an ending scene and declare the game over shortly after one faction achieves its winning conditions. If for any reason it becomes impossible for either faction to achieve its winning conditions, the mods will declare the game a draw.

The game is only over when a mod posts the ending scene. Even if you know (or believe you know) the result of the game before then, you may not post in the thread unless you are an active player.

4.3 - Calling the Game Early
The mods reserve the right to end the game at any time before a faction achieves its winning conditions provided there are compelling reasons to do so. In general, the mods will end the game early as soon as one faction's victory becomes inevitable.

4.4 - Spoilers
When the game is over, the mods will reveal the alts and roles of everybody who played and also give everyone access to the spoiled spectator threads on the spoiler board.


RULES

All players must:

A1) Have an account on forum.malazanempire.com

A2) Log in and view the thread and the discussion board anonymously at all times, unless they have informed the mods that this is not possible for technical reasons.

A3) Post at least once every 36 hours. Any player who has not posted within the last 36 hours will be automatically modkilled, whether or not the mods announce this on the thread. Warnings will usually be issued after 24 hours and subsequently closer to the deadline.

The mods may grant extensions to this limit in some cases (if so, they will give details in a later post). However, if they have not posted on the thread to announce an extension before the 24 hour limit is reached, no extension will be granted, whatever may have been said elsewhere. Please contact the mods as early as possible if you wish to request an extension.

A4) Send in role prescribed night actions (including the desire to take no action) within the time limit

A5) Treat everybody else playing with courtesy and respect

A6) Make any edits the mods request of them as soon as possible, whether or not they believe that the posts need to be edited.

A7) Contact the game mods as soon as possible if they feel you are at risk of breaking a rule or fear they or another person may have already done so.


Players must not:

B1) Edit their posts unless to change spelling or grammar.

B2) Act in any way intended to reduce the chance of their faction achieving its win conditions. (However, should all surviving members of a faction agree that they wish to resign and end the game early, they may do so by PMing the mods privately, without stating their intentions on-thread until the mods post to announce that the game is over.)

B3) Discuss the game with any other living players outside this game thread except when told they may do so in their role PMs.

B4) Reveal any information about the game at all in any other thread than this one, or in any other forum (including message boards and chat rooms) where it may be seen by a living player.

B5) Give anybody access to any of their accounts (including game alts, if the game is using them), either here or on the mafia discussion board.

B6) Attempt to obtain advice about the game from anybody not currently playing.

B7) Post information on the thread relating to another player's past or current activity on (or absence from) the board that would not otherwise be available to anybody reading the thread.

B8) Quote, in whole or part, PMs from (or other private conversations with) the mods on the thread, or discuss the timing of any PMs sent to the mods, if this behaviour is forbidden in the current game (it usually is).

B9) Post on the thread at any time after they are dead until the mods themselves post on the thread to announce that the game is over. Any posts accidently made after death should be immediately edited blank.

B10) Make any bets about the game.

B11) Offer to break any of these rules or any other rules the mods have set in place for the game, encourage others to do so or help to conceal the fact that rules have been broken.

B12) Reveal any information about their role within the game when such reveals are forbidden (this is only forbidden in certain games). .

AND JUST SO YOU KNOW

C1) Failure to comply with the rules may result in any punishment the mods deem appropriate, including, but not limited to: a request to edit posts; formal warnings on thread; "modkilling", restriction of access to the spoiler thread(s), lashing, spanking, paddling, the rack, thumbscrews, waterboarding, time-out, death and/or ending the game prematurely in favor of one faction or none. Except where clearly stated in the rules, the mods are free to respond to any rules violation in whatever manner they wish. In all cases the mods' decision on these matters is final.

C2) Feel free to PM your thoughts (or questions) to the mods. We love to hear them!

C3) The mods reserve the right to amend the rules during the game if we realize we've forgotten to cover something.

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As well as running the game on this thread, the mods are also responsible for administering the spoiler thread on the spoiler board and anybody not actively involved in the game (whether spectators or dead players who no longer wish to play) can request access to this thread by PMing the mods. Please note that while in general the mods will be happy to let anybody have access to this thread, they do reserve the right to refuse access to anybody for any reason. Accordingly, please do not ask anybody other than the mods for access to the spoiler thread or give yourself access to it, even if you have the power to do so. Any posts found to contravene these rules will be deleted and the responsible players will usually be added to a blacklist for any future games run by this mod.

Once given access to the thread, spoiled spectators should also take note of the following rules, and must not:

D1) Share any information from the spoiler thread with living players, or post such in a forum where it may be seen by living players.

D2) Offer any advice, hints or strategy to living players.

D3) Make personal attacks on players in the game or on posters in the spoiler thread itself.

D4) Post on the game thread before the mods announce that the game is over.

D5) PM living or dead players with comments on the game.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 02 November 2014 - 05:26 PM

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Posted 02 November 2014 - 05:25 PM

It is Night 0. 36 hours left.
Players aktive: Alkend, Ampelas, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kalse, Korabas, Merrid, Meanas, Omtose, Ruse, Serc, Telas, Thyrllan

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Posted 02 November 2014 - 09:18 PM

Abstract numerical post.


I'm not sure if I'm here, or not here

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Posted 02 November 2014 - 11:38 PM

I am here.

I am alone.

Therefore you must be some other place than here.

Happy to be of help.

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 02:47 AM

We've started already?

If so, I am somewhere.

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 05:34 AM

Not alone. Going to be elsewhere and will come back from nowhere. May bring tidings.

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 07:00 AM

First!

Unless you're there. If you're there then maybe I'm last?

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 10:24 AM

Why did the game starting during the night, OR DID IT?

Wait yes, it did.

Apparently the quantum superpositions only exist during the night, so technically every post we all make now is both first and last and everything in between. Only during the day can the posts be sequential.So...

First!

God damn it, second

Checking in

Random Dragon Secks

Sorry I'm late having trouble finding the time to pay attention to this game, this is just a staying alive post

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 12:31 PM

I'm here, there, and everywhere. Unless I'm not.


Remember people, you're just what you choose to be. No one can tell you otherwise, quantum mechanics be damned! Be the person you aspire to be!

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 01:14 PM

You guys are all too willing to pronounce your randomness. I will say I am steady as a rock. For I am a constant.

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 01:24 PM

 Lizradusa, on 29 October 2014 - 08:07 PM, said:


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Current status on all players:
Player - alive - dead -town - scum
1.........100%....0%...85%.....15%
2.........100%....0%...85%.....15%
3.........100%....0%...85%.....15%
4.........100%....0%...85%.....15%
5.........100%....0%...85%.....15%
6.........100%....0%...85%.....15%
7.........100%....0%...85%.....15%
8.........100%....0%...85%.....15%
9.........100%....0%...85%.....15%
10.......100%....0%...85%.....15%
11.......100%....0%...85%.....15%
12.......100%....0%...85%.....15%
13.......100%....0%...85%.....15%

Number of possible realities: 1630



 Alkend, on 03 November 2014 - 01:14 PM, said:

You guys are all too willing to pronounce your randomness. I will say I am steady as a rock. For I am a constant.


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Posted 03 November 2014 - 01:25 PM

 Serc, on 03 November 2014 - 01:24 PM, said:

 Lizradusa, on 29 October 2014 - 08:07 PM, said:


snip

Current status on all players:
Player - alive - dead -town - scum
1.........100%....0%...85%.....15%
2.........100%....0%...85%.....15%
3.........100%....0%...85%.....15%
4.........100%....0%...85%.....15%
5.........100%....0%...85%.....15%
6.........100%....0%...85%.....15%
7.........100%....0%...85%.....15%
8.........100%....0%...85%.....15%
9.........100%....0%...85%.....15%
10.......100%....0%...85%.....15%
11.......100%....0%...85%.....15%
12.......100%....0%...85%.....15%
13.......100%....0%...85%.....15%

Number of possible realities: 1630



 Alkend, on 03 November 2014 - 01:14 PM, said:

You guys are all too willing to pronounce your randomness. I will say I am steady as a rock. For I am a constant.


Do you want to try again you filthy lying bastard? Posted Image

I post, therefore I am, regardless of what reality we're in. What's so hard to comprehend about that?

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 03:49 PM

First


In the reality that I am currently posting in.

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 04:01 PM

sheesh

It is night. Just pick two people and do a find/kill on them so we can get day one started.

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 04:03 PM

I used my find on Serc.

If enough of us do a find on him it will determine his status if i understand this correctly and I seriously doubt I do.

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 04:15 PM

 Galayn Lord, on 03 November 2014 - 04:03 PM, said:

I used my find on Serc.

If enough of us do a find on him it will determine his status if i understand this correctly and I seriously doubt I do.



Hang on one fucking moment! You can't find out what I am before I find out what I am you bastard!

Would that even work?

If everyone in the game does a find on the same person what actually happens? Not too sure what the impact of the quantum stuff is in this game to be honest.

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 04:56 PM

 Serc, on 03 November 2014 - 04:15 PM, said:

 Galayn Lord, on 03 November 2014 - 04:03 PM, said:

I used my find on Serc.

If enough of us do a find on him it will determine his status if i understand this correctly and I seriously doubt I do.



Would that even work?

If everyone in the game does a find on the same person what actually happens?



don't know.

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 05:10 PM

It is Night 0. 12 hours and 15 minutes left.
Players aktive: Alkend, Ampelas, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kalse, Korabas, Merrid, Meanas, Omtose, Ruse, Serc, Telas, Thyrllan
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