[Hood's Gate]

Maybe I misread or something, but I just don't seem to understand why Cotillion stabbed Kaminsod in the back as he was returning to his believers...

[Kanese S's]

To send his soul to his believers.

[worry]

Indeed. Kam therefore went to the Jade Giants rather than the Jade Giants coming to him.

[Tarthenal Theloman Toblakai]

it was his release from the prison that was his body and the planet. As the others have said, it release him to the Jade giants in the sky before they crashed to Wu

[Felisin Fatter]

Well, it was definitely to stop the jade statues from destroying the world. That's a good enough reason for me, even if Kaminsod is simply dead now.

[Aptorian]

I still wanted Cots and ST to cheat the gods and steal the power of the CG. I don't like that they went from being, if not outright evil, then at least cold hearted and power hungry, to sort of being the rogue pack of good guy gods. It would have fit better with their intention of moving past mere godhood.

This post has been edited by Maybe Apt: 03 February 2014 - 10:18 AM

[amphibian]

Who says they're done with their plans, Apt? The threat the CG posed to the continued existence of Wu required dealing with first - and it also helps their plans that Malazans were at the center of the release, while the other Ascendants and Gods were occupied.

The only loss Shadowthrone suffered was the destruction of the Azath that held the gateway to Starvald Demelain. Everything else was a success.

[Kanese S's]

I think it fit quite well with them being beyond the other gods in that they were thinking more long term, and realizing that more and more, the Crippled God's very presence was going to be a problem eventually.

Even if what they did was good for the world, they had some selfish motivations. Not much use being a god over a bunch of charred corpses, is it? Either from the Jade Giants annihilating the world's surface, or from Burn rebooting everything.

Taking Kaminsod out of the equation pulled the rug out from under their rivals, as well (and the process killed some). Now the two are in a position to plot and scheme without the world about to end, and in a stronger position than most of the other gods.

I also think that over the course of the series, one's standards of good and evil also get shifted, at least when immersed within the Malazan world. There pretty much aren't any totally "good guy" gods, so one takes the best one can get, which in some cases are Shadowthrone and Cotillion.

[Aptorian]

Oh I don't doubt that they are playing the long con but when you consider that the series started with their ascension to power and their moves to consolidate their position, I would have loved if the series ended with them taken that next step past the games they'd been playing for the past decade.

And I just liked the idea of them betraying or cheating the other gods better than them mercy killing the CG.

[Kanese S's]

They did cheat the other gods. Out of a great source of power. And they got the other gods to do all the dying, engineering events to place them practically at the top of the heap. Impressive, considering they'd only just ascended, from the other gods' perspective.

[Hood's Gate]

Thanks for all of the responses, guys. I ended up going back to reread the last few chapters and just missed it.

Cheers.

[AnomanderRakeSoD]

On the point about Starvald Demelain. Please remind me. Are the Elient now free to roam Wu and the other warrens?

[Tony-t]

we need someone to post a tree of events starting the from the first chapter of gardens of the moon. all the key events included in ST and Cots plan

[worry]

Someone did that. His name is Steven Erikson and he published them as The Malazan Book of the Fallen cuz it would be too long to post here.

[Spoilsport Stonny]

 worry, on 22 April 2014 - 06:37 PM, said:

Someone did that. His name is Steven Erikson and he published them as The Malazan Book of the Fallen cuz it would be too long to post here.

Are you for real?! There's gotta be some kinda copyright issue with this.