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#1 User is offline   Sloppyfresh 

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Posted 09 July 2007 - 10:03 PM

When Paran was stabbed by Sorry in Pale... he was taken to Hoods gate, and the twins tried to save prevent his death to add 'uncertinty' to shadowthrones affairs. The twins then talk to hoods messenger (i dont know whom) to try to trade Parans death for anothers:

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The creature cackled again, and again cut it short. 'Reciprocity' (hoods messenger)
'Of course,' the sister responded. 'I'll look for another, a death premature. Meaningless, even.'
'Theapparition was silent, then the head creaked a nod.
'In this mortal's shadoe, of course.'
'Agreed'
'My shadow?' Paran asked. 'What does that mean, precisely?'
'Much sorrow,alas,' the apparition said. 'Someone close to you shall walk through Death's Gates ... in your place.' pg 138 GOTM


Who does Hoods messenger trade Paran for??? ... I dont remember anyone that close to Paran dying. im rereading most of GOTM now, but I cannot find/remember for the life of me.

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#2 User is offline   Omras Ghum 

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Posted 09 July 2007 - 10:29 PM

I suggest you read the sequels - you'll get a pretty good idea after a while ;)
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Posted 09 July 2007 - 10:49 PM

Ive read all the way up to RG... but it could be anyone. I was thinking it was Feslin... but she didnt really die for no reason...
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Posted 10 July 2007 - 12:40 AM

The answer to that question could be any number of ppl. Felisin, Tattersail or his parents. Though since tattersail was never really taken I think that throws her out of the question and from the glimpse we get of Ganoes's past we're told that he was not close to either of his parents as they were rarely there. Thus leaving Felisin as the only likely candidate in my opinion.

And I'm moving this to House of Chains simply because you can't discuss this w/o mentioning her death.
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Posted 10 July 2007 - 12:38 PM

Also "paran's death" in a tittle is sort of spoilerish isn't it?

As far as I remember, and I suggest you make a search since this has been discussed like ten times, people settled on it probably being the adjunct or the father who died because of Ganores.
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Posted 10 July 2007 - 04:40 PM

Who did Hood take in Paran's place when he was resurrected?
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Posted 10 July 2007 - 08:38 PM

I am very much alive thank you
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Posted 10 July 2007 - 09:13 PM

Just to bump what apt said, anyone who hasn't read HoC is going to think Paran dies in this book because of that title... : /
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Posted 10 July 2007 - 09:58 PM

so Paran (Me) dies in HoC?
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Posted 10 July 2007 - 11:42 PM

Thx Dolorous Menhir !! ... sorry for not lookin at he past posts... im kinda new at the blog thing!
After reading the link... im agreein with the parents being the ones taken in his place... they are meaningless, and close to Paran... and the Dad dies from grief that Paran is missing...

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Posted 11 July 2007 - 01:19 AM

Ganoes Paran;199567 said:

so Paran (Me) dies in HoC?



Just read the book, bud, and don'r try to skip it. ;)
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Posted 11 July 2007 - 01:48 AM

A) Someone close to him was to be taken...the very reason that his parents are meaningless is why I don't think it was them
;) Paran's dad didn't die from grief, tis what I think at least...it was probably more from the family having been shamed with Ganoes being called a traitor with the rest of One Arm's Host
also his dad was suffering already in Gardens as is stated in the conversation between tavore and ganoes. So...meh...dunno

but that's just me, I'll just keep thinking it was Felisin I like to believe that.
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Posted 11 July 2007 - 02:57 AM

Duvodas;199587 said:

Just read the book, bud, and don'r try to skip it. ;)


Doesn't this suck. . . . . . .. . . .. I don't have it. im a poor soul
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Posted 11 July 2007 - 03:54 AM

Oh, a poor soul...Welll, I think HoC is on eBay pretty cheap now ;)
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Posted 11 July 2007 - 03:58 AM

i just purchased HoC from amazon like 4 hours ago. so i gues i gotta wait for around 1-2 weeks now for it ;)
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Posted 12 July 2007 - 01:31 AM

you will not be dissipointed... its f'in awsome to the 10th degree
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Posted 12 July 2007 - 01:57 AM

umm . . . AWESOME!!! hehe.

i will probably be never disappointed with SE books, he is just an awesome writer
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Posted 14 July 2007 - 07:07 PM

I'm of the opinion now that it was Whiskeyjack...

A "premature" death, "meaningless" in the fact that he could have had that leg healed anytime and it was because of that that he died, regardless of what Korlat says to save his honor. And if you'll remember, Paran blesses the bodies at the end of HoC... And we all know what blessings do.
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Posted 14 July 2007 - 08:08 PM

yeah and in beginning of GotM, Paran met Wiskeyjack and wanted to become just like him and that brought him in the army. what about tatteersail?
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Posted 15 July 2007 - 04:38 PM

I still think that "exchange of souls" means:

you can come back to life NOW, and we'll take another soul in your place RIGHT NOW. Not in a few months or years, whenever Hood gets round to it. NOW.

That's why I think it's wrong to propose Whiskeyjack and Felisin, even Tattersail. They all died significant periods of time after the resurrection, in the case of Felisin more than a year after.
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