[Abyss]

Bottle - Not the main player that he was in TB, there were still some interesting developments with our favourite squad mage this time around...

1. Was it just me, or did the dal honese witch doctor incoherent shaman squad mage dude tell Bottle he was going to 'get them all killed'? And did anyone else think this was foreshadowing?

2. Interesting how he became so burnt out by covering the squad during the invasion. Eres wasn't helping him much then, was she.

3. Dude, spontaneous masturbation by ghost... bummer. I think. Ummm.


- Abyss, ummmm.... right then, foreshadowing....

[Illuyankas]

On 2, Fiddler asks Bottle during one of the many many attacks whether the Eres is available and Bottle tells him that she left a while ago, possibly since Malaz Island.

[Cougar]

I'm not sure whether it was explicitly said or just hinted but I was left with the impression that Bottle is either far more powerful than he knows or that he knows he is more powerful and his not letting on? I'm moving house at the moment so no chance of me digging out the book to have a look -sorry

This post has been edited by Cougar: 30 July 2009 - 09:08 PM

[Ereko]

When Beak saves them all and Fiddler's looking at the people around, he looks at Bottle and says something along the lines of Bottle has so much potential and raw power.

Don't have RG with me so no direct quotes or page ref sorry

gw

[Abyss]

Grubb;197300 said:

...Bottle has so much potential and raw power. ..

Good point. And maybe ongoing exposure (ahem) to the Eres may have even added to that.

Will be interesting to see if he rises above Squad Mage rank eventually. We haven't seen 'Cadre' rank mages since Tattersail's bunch were wiped out in GotM, and Sinn jumped straight to 'High Mage' based on power level alone.

- Abyss, notes 'High Mage Bottle' is just utterly not intimidating.

[Ereko]

I think if Bottle makes it to Book 10, he'll be a force in the 14th.

High Mage Bottle and the Eres as his shaved knuckle could be interesting:D !

gw

[Abyss]

Grubb;197321 said:

I think if Bottle makes it to Book 10, he'll be a force in the 14th...

If the Dal Honese shaman dude was to be believed, Bottle may make it but the 14th may not.

- Abyss, can't be the only one who read that bit.

[Ereko]

Was that the Dal-honese shaman that spoke oddly?

I'm sure I remember him saying, bottle would be the death of them all!methinks.

gw

[Falco]

Just re-read the convo (p737 of the TPB).

Maybe Nep Furrow was referring to the battle against the Letherii and how the marines would die there because Bottle was all used up, not knowing about Beak.

[Abyss]

Falco;197411 said:

Just re-read the convo (p737 of the TPB).

Maybe Nep Furrow was referring to the battle against the Letherii and how the marines would die there because Bottle was all used up, not knowing about Beak.

Well, yeah, that's the semi-obvious track to follow - i just think SE was being sneaky.

That or Bottle is destined to replaced Hood.

- Abyss, is just fncking about on that last comment. maybe. mwa. hah. ha.

[Bottle]

Just to add nothing to the thread,

Was that Shaman's accent meant to be read like a Jamaican accent? That's how I read it...

And yes, I do read aloud. (:

[Cougar]

I read it as a sort of pre-west indian type of Patois, my impression was always that the way patois developed was the influence of the African speech patterns on English (particularly Cornish accented English).

Therefore I felt the Shaman was speaking like maybe the population of Jamaica etc would have done in the mid-19th century prior to the americanisation of the West Indian accents in the late 20th century.

Just waiting for some cunning linguist to shoot me down now.

Also I think that the Shaman is not foreshadowing, just doesn't know that Beak will save the marines.

I expect that Bottle will have at least one significant contribution to make in the last 3 books, the unique nature of his type of magic and the continued hints at his increasing power seem too painstakingly constructed by SE to be insignificant.

[Talamadas]

@Bottle Ya mon

The thing I would like most is if Quick Ben would be become his teacher.
And of course that both of them survive the culling of our favourite characters in the last 3 books.
I think Fiddler mentioned how he is alot like Quick Ben although Bottle has tried to evade QB whenever he could.

[Aptorian]

Already in Bonehunters it was apparent that Bottle was much more than he lets on, fiddler says as much. Bottle knows shadow, death and earth/spirit stuff. He's connected to that witch in Malaz who I believe pops up in Night of knives. He seems to know a lot about holds aswell as we see when he reaches out and tries to help quick in the seaencounter with the edur.

He desperatly tries to hide from Quick and constantly keeps out of sight, who does that remind us of up untill BH? Quick himself.

If anything I was disappointed to not see any powerdisplays by Bottle yet, but maybe bottle simply isn't a battlemage.

[Cougar]

Aptorian;197739 said:

maybe bottle simply isn't a battlemage.

I think this is a fair point; having lurked in these forums for a long time I think that we too often put too much store in an individuals prowess in battle as an indicator of their power, their ability to harness destructive magic maybe the most spectacular manifestation of power, however it may not actually be the most difficult thing to perform as a magician.

I have noticed that following his showdown with the sisters people are now wondering if Quick has suddenly increased in power, perhaps he hasn't some of the magic he has performed in the past like resurrecting Hairlock etc may have been tremendously complex and high level but we have no indictors of how hard this is since it is an invented system.

[ch'arlz]

Cougar;197760 said:

I have noticed that following his showdown with the sisters people are now wondering if Quick has suddenly increased in power, perhaps he hasn't some of the magic he has performed in the past like resurrecting hailock etc may have been tremendously complex and highlevel but we have no indictors of how hard this is since it is an invented system.

As QB is preparing to transfer Hairlock to the marionette, Hairlock says to Tattersail:

Quote

Lost arts, 'Sail. What you're about to see hasn't been done in a thousand years.

That's something of an indicator.

[Abyss]

QB was able to move Trull, Onrack and himself into the Refugim, which seemed to be a more subtle action than big dragon-whacking 'splosions.

Bottle, on the other hand, we've never even seen use a warren to travel from point A to B. Fundamentally, he's subtle and clever and knowledgeable, but he's no powerhouse thus far.

- Abyss, thought the shaman's accent was more west indian than jamaican, since, iirc, Dal Hon wasn't an island.

[Murrin]

I think it's been said that Bottle isn't particularly strong with Warrens, except for Meanas, and that he doesn't like using them anyway. Its the 'old magic' he learned from the witch that makes him so important.

Abyss;197310 said:

Will be interesting to see if he rises above Squad Mage rank eventually. We haven't seen 'Cadre' rank mages since Tattersail's bunch were wiped out in GotM, and Sinn jumped straight to 'High Mage' based on power level alone.

'Cadre' and 'squad' mages are related to the organisational structure, rather than rank. The empire stopped using mage cadres, because it made the mages more vulnerable--they could all be wiped out in one go when they worked in groups. That's why all the mages are spread out, one per squad, now. Same reasoning as for the Sapper regiments--who kept blowing themselves up.

[mmdw45]

Murrin;197806 said:

'Cadre' and 'squad' mages are related to the organisational structure, rather than rank. The empire stopped using mage cadres, because it made the mages more vulnerable--they could all be wiped out in one go when they worked in groups. That's why all the mages are spread out, one per squad, now. Same reasoning as for the Sapper regiments--who kept blowing themselves up.

-Max

[Bottle]

Why didn't they flog crump after Y'ghatan? I never got that... does the Malazan military have any sort of disciplinary body, I wonder?