[Baran]

There are several characters I hate due to the fact that they are extremely annoying or have no reason to talk/be talked about at all

-Endest Silann (just boring as hell and doesnt really do anything until the very end)
-Chillbais (I think that theres a few paragraphs here and there that talk what it thinks)
-Leff and Scorch (They get way too much face time in TtH for not doing really anything at all)
-Stonny (Just in TtH because all she does is whine when they talk about her, but she was cool in the other books)
-Murillio (All he did is bang some hoes, which is cool but gets old after a while)
-Mogora (Hating on Pust all the time gets annoying)
-The Tiste Edur in general, except the important ones, because their stoyline just sucks

Spoiler

-Ereko (Only about halfway through RotCG so he might get cooler once he actually does something instead of saying how old he is all the time)

-Most of all, Itkovian/the REDEEMER, god reading the stuff about him and his religion is like watching paint dry,and his crap took up a good chunk of TtH, and not to mention it kinda ruins my perception of Seerdomin

I'm sure there's some others, but I dont have any books with me atm so I can't really think of any others.

[Sindriss]

Living Itkovian were nice, the dead one were sad

[Shpetim]

Bidithal I hated from the very start. Ugly, stupid, perverted psycho! I disliked Karsa until the moment he dealed with Bidithal. Since then he's been one of the most respectable characters. To me anyway.
The Orr's. I HATE them. I wish Rallick and his clan will come to their senses and wipe that house out of the face of earth.
I used to hate Kallor, a lot. But since TTH he's "redeemed" in my eyes anyway. Hats off to SE!
I sure as hell hate the old Emperor. Stupid ignorant fool. Almost killed Quick for chirst sake!!! Yeah, helped him with his sister, well, "helped" him, but intended to kill him nonetheless. Idiotic! Anyone wanting Quick out is worthy of my spite!
The Warlock King. oooooohh, if I could perform torture in anyone, I would choose him! ugly stupid miserable excuse of an edur. Hell, he almost signed their extinction sentence when dealing with CG. Idiot!
hmm this was more difficult then I expected.
Lorn, ok, I don't really hate her, but damnit, she's like begging me to hate her almost.
Feather Witch, the same as with Lorn. I hate her sense of allknowing. it annoys me.
Pormqual, no need to elaborate here.
Clip, holy crap, Clip, of COURSE!!!. I just hate him very very very much. I even love hating him. Clip, hmfrrgh.
Ok, I'm sure there's more, so I'll come with an uptdate as soon as I find them.
Peace folks:)

[Jude]

vrai, on Jun 25 2007, 07:44 PM, said:

I don't like the characterization of the female heavies. Slow-thinking, mean-spirited piss-pots. Literally! I want one, just once, to flatten Quick Ben with a thought. Surprise me.

Two words... Masan Gilani. There you go.

[redJAKO]

The frequent resurrections of characters...


Much of the "random" Bridgeburners, who seem the exact same character over and over, then I lose track, and can't figure out who / where all these Bridgeburners are.


Munitions

Random high mages hiding in contingents just waiting to spring..book dependent.

[Jude]

...someone didn't like RG

[Ain't_It_Just_]

Munitions are great!

Did I mention I hate Gothos now? In DG he seemed ok, but now he just seems like a dick...

Like when he said it was perfectly ok to collect people.

[Aptorian]

Please, he's playing around with Azath houses, the guys agenda is on a cosmic scale. You have to brake a few eggs to make an omelet.

Gods and ascendants use mortals, it's just the way of the game.

[luke]

i used to have quite a long list
but after TOTH only Steve himeself annoys me....don't tell me he is not a character in the stroy.
...he made himself one by the stupid narration he did in TOTH

[Aptorian]

That was Kruppe narrating the events. It's strange how many people missed that on the first read.

[luke]

the narration is steve's. wither he attached it to kruppe in the last line or not it doesnt matter...it is damn annoying anyway

This post has been edited by luke: 14 November 2008 - 09:29 PM

[Mcflury]

luke, on Nov 14 2008, 10:29 PM, said:

the narration is steve's. wither he attached it to kruppe in the last line or not it doesnt matter...it is damn annoying anyway

... why would all other narrations be Steve and not Kruppe? I mean, sure, Kruppe is a child of Steve's mind, but if you follow that rule basically anything in this series is a narration of Steve's.

Which brings me to another question: where do you get the nerve to actually say you dislike the writer of a book you like because the writer chooses to 'narrate'?

[Aptorian]

Now, now children, lets keep it civil in here.

Personally I was annoyed by Kruppes narrative, there was just too much of it. Often it just became a bunch of pages I hurried through so I could get to the next juicy part. Unfortunantly the next part might then be the redeemer at which point I'd get very tired

Still Erikson tried out a new approach, and if that keeps his intrest peaked and the books flowing, good for him. Just, please, no more. If we got a book narrated by Nimander I'd kill myself... by eating the book.

[luke]

Mcflury, on Nov 14 2008, 10:05 PM, said:

luke, on Nov 14 2008, 10:29 PM, said:

the narration is steve's. wither he attached it to kruppe in the last line or not it doesnt matter...it is damn annoying anyway

... why would all other narrations be Steve and not Kruppe? I mean, sure, Kruppe is a child of Steve's mind, but if you follow that rule basically anything in this series is a narration of Steve's.

Which brings me to another question: where do you get the nerve to actually say you dislike the writer of a book you like because the writer chooses to 'narrate'?

the answer to the first question is pretty obvious, this kind of narration is quite new to the MBOTF and it is too general , vague and- most importantly- not character driven, while everything else in the whole series is. and it is quite clear that many people really disliked it.
the second question i find quite childish, if i don't like certain element in a stroy i just say that....no " nerves" involves...i dont know where some people get the idea that if i like to read someone's books it means i have to show this sort of artificial and childish loyality to him.

[Aptorian]

But, would the first person narrative... or should we just call it commentary at the beginning and end of some chapters ... would said narrative had been as annoying or troublesome if it had been seen through the eyes of another character? What if it had been Crokus, K'rull, Rake or Kallor?

[Mcflury]

luke, on Nov 14 2008, 11:33 PM, said:

the answer to the first question is pretty obvious, this kind of narration is quite new to the MBOTF and it is too general , vague and- most importantly- not character driven, while everything else in the whole series is. and it is quite clear that many people really disliked it.

Well, that's because you all are Kruppe-haters apparantly, it seems you're afraid to watch certain situations from a rather weird point of view (since that's basically that Kruppe does in his narrations, give a quick review of what's happening where at a certain time, and give some status updates on an ox who eventually becomes a character I actually start to like ). I don't see how it's not character driven by the way. It gives us a hint at how much Kruppe actually knows (so now we can be pretty sure he isn't just guessing all the time, he simply KNOWS) and also gives us a hint at how Kruppe thinks; that alone already makes it a useful and very welcome part of the story.
But of course, no use in discussing tastes I liked it, you didn't. Too bad

luke, on Nov 14 2008, 11:33 PM, said:

the second question i find quite childish, if i don't like certain element in a stroy i just say that....no " nerves" involves...i dont know where some people get the idea that if i like to read someone's books it means i have to show this sort of artificial and childish loyality to him.

Okay, I admit, I overreacted a bit... but you must admit that your post where you actually say Steve annoys you the most in this book is kind of a weird post to make on a fanforum.
And I'm not saying you should show that sort of 'artificial and childish loyalty' (as far as loyalty can ever be childish or artificial of course) towards a person whose books you read. I do expect someone to have these feelings towards SE when they post on this forum

And to get on-topic again: the character I hate the most up until this point is: nobody. They're all splendid. I would've said Kallor before TtH perhaps, but now I even started to love that little bastard.
Ah, I have to correct myself. I hate Featherwitch. I truely do. Stupid bitch. Good thing she's dead (and I hope she stays that way of course). And Gorlas Vidikas of course, he's the kind of guy I'd constantly get in trouble with irl too... Good thing he's dead too. Yep, all's fine now again... No more characters I really dislike

[Jude]

Mcflury, on Nov 14 2008, 06:16 PM, said:

Well, that's because you all are Kruppe-haters apparantly, it seems you're afraid to watch certain situations from a rather weird point of view (since that's basically that Kruppe does in his narrations, give a quick review of what's happening where at a certain time, and give some status updates on an ox who eventually becomes a character I actually start to like ). I don't see how it's not character driven by the way. It gives us a hint at how much Kruppe actually knows (so now we can be pretty sure he isn't just guessing all the time, he simply KNOWS) and also gives us a hint at how Kruppe thinks; that alone already makes it a useful and very welcome part of the story.

Holy, I never thought of it that way. I don't know why because it seems pretty straight forward now, but Kruppe's narrating showing that indeed Kruppe lives up to the title of the Eel is pretty damn good writing on SE's part. I was more indifferent to it before this, thinking that it was just a nice little way for SE to throw a "this is life in a city" theme into the story, but now, after reading this, I think it's brilliant. You're very right, Mcflury, it's entirely character driven now, because it gives us the proof that Kruppe DOES know exactly what's going on in the city at all times.

[teholbeddict]

I didn't mind the narrative at all. I really love Kruppe as a character on the whole, he's always good for a sprinkling of humor or wisdom. I too thought this was just a further extension of Kruppe's attributes as the eel, as well as a further hint at the magnitude of his powers.

To get back to the thread topic though I really didn't like the Redeemer. I didn't mind Itkovian while he was alive but now that he's taken on this new role I find him unbarable. I'm also not a fan of Stonny, I was soooo pissed off with her character in TTH from beginning to end. First I couldn't believe her willingness to abandon her son rape or not. Then he goes missing and now she's freaking out. Then poor Murillio who I really liked is emotionally abused by her and later killed trying to save Harllo for her. Finally in the end Harllo returns and she proceeds to try to shut him out again after all of her supposed worry! Unbelieveable!

[redJAKO]

Who's Torbin? Scorch? Leff?


The Redeemer was sorta annoying in TtH, beautifully done while he was alive in the earlier novel.


The Kruppe narration was somewhat annoying, but every now and then I'd find some powerful phrases and epic philosophizing (hah on that word!) inside...good stuff.


I don't hate, but wish the Hounds would do more damage..they seem rather week excluding "regular" soldiers.


Assassins of Malazan > soldiers

Assassins of all else < Malazan soldiers.

[Mcflury]

redJAKO, on Nov 15 2008, 06:42 AM, said:

Assassins of Malazan > soldiers

Assassins of all else < Malazan soldiers.

Don't forget the assassin's guild was severly weakened in Darujhistan because of internal feuds. It's pretty normal that in those feuds the strong will be the first targets and usually also the first to die (there's a limit to how many crossbow bolts a man can dodge I bet ), leaving only the weaker ones.
Also, the assassins weren't fighting any Malazan soldiers, they were fighting some bridgeburners. BB are basically the elite troops of the malazan empire, and they've gotten used to expecting stabbings in the back all the time. They're ready for it. They know how to handle it.
Anyways, I don't think this a thing to worry about, there really are some assassins out there stronger than the average malazan assassin (Rallick Nom and Cutter to name two)