[Flawed]

Now I'm sure this supposition has been stated but I'm nearly at the end of a re read of midnight tides and now i believe i know where Scabbys Soul resides.

I think its within the Sword of Chaos that Rhulad carries. Given to him from the Chained God.

It resides within two shards of metal that have been smelted / worked into the blade.

They are the black broken shards of the knife used to stab Ruin in the back by Scabby.

A couple of phrases from the book have stood right out and this is now what i believe.

All nicely poetical i feel.

Now, be kind and let me know what say you?

[Dolorous Menhir]

Am I correct in saying you've only read up to Midnight Tides?

[Flawed]

I have read Bonehunters but quite a while ago and i have Reapers ready and waiting.

Am i way off then?

[caladanbrood]

I think you should just wait and find out

[Flawed]

Horrid man!

Ok well your rep is stupidly high. Ill let you off. ;o)

I cant wait to see now. Its amazing how re reads seem to throw up all sorts of information that you either dont remember or didnt even see before.

[Aptorian]

Having only just begun reading RG yesterday, I can only guess like you do.

It is however a more common theory that the fragments used in Rhulads sword are the shattered blades of Silchas Ruin. The weapons that were destroyed by the matron deathcry.

Also, read the introduction to RG in any given rewiew and you'll probably come to a new conclusion.

[Dolorous Menhir]

Flawed;186459 said:

It resides within two shards of metal that have been smelted / worked into the blade.

They are the black broken shards of the knife used to stab Ruin in the back by Scabby.

Apt is right about that - Rhulad's sword is made from Ruin's destroyed weapons. Scabby's knife was still in Ruin's back when he went into the Azath.

[Flawed]

Do you know that for a fact Dolorous?

[Dolorous Menhir]

I don't think it's been spelled out word for word in the books, but it's pretty clear Withal's raw material for the sword was Ruin's blade. Just read what the CG says about it when he sets Withal the task of forging.

Not 100% on the dagger staying in Ruin's back, but Scabby left it there after the stabbing while he took him to the Azath.

[Aptorian]

Indeed, it would be reasonable that it was the dagger in Ruin's back that prevented the Andii from fighting his imprisonment. Then again maybe the dagger just delivered a binding spell like a virus, the dagger is not mentioned when Ruin crawls back out of the Azath grounds.

[Flawed]

I mentioned the dagger as im sure when it is described it shatters or breaks in two?

[Dolorous Menhir]

Midnight Tides, on page 23, said:

The Edur Soletaken walked back towards Silchas Ruin.

He reached down to the outside of his left boot and drew out a shadow-etched dagger. Sorcery played on the iron.

A final step, and the dagger was driven into Ruin's back.

The Tiste Andii spasmed, then roared -
- even as the Edur legions turned suddenly on the Andii, rushing inward from all sides to deliver the day's final slaughter.

Magic wove writhing chains about Silchas Ruin, and the albino Tiste Andii toppled.

No further mention of the dagger, Ruin is taken straight to the Azath. Given that the magic in the dagger was clearly restraining Ruin, and Scabby immediately picked him up (in Draconean form) and then presumably dumped him in the Azath from a height rather than risking landing there, there's no scope or reason for Scabby to take the dagger out.

That's why I said it remained in Ruin's back. Perhaps Ruin himself comments on this later, once he starts talking to people, but I can't remember or find any such reference.

It certainly did not shatter or break in two - you may be thinking of Ruin's own weapons, which were described as broken a few pages before.

[Flawed]

It looks like you are right then DM. Im looking forward to finding out though.

[mmdw45]

Dolorous Menhir;186634 said:

I don't think it's been spelled out word for word in the books, but it's pretty clear Withal's raw material for the sword was Ruin's blade. Just read what the CG says about it when he sets Withal the task of forging.

Sorry, I see only the CG saying, "Make me a sword... a very particular sword." Then the Prologue ends. Might you do me the honor of explaining your statement further?

-Max

[Dolorous Menhir]

Currently separated from my books. Can anyone else jump in with a quote here, sounds like I'm remembering this wrong?

[caladanbrood]

I can't find any mention of Ruin's swords being used. He doesn't even have them when he is betrayed, because they were already broken.

[Dolorous Menhir]

Thanks Hetan, I was worried I was talking rubbish about it being verified that Rhulad's sword was made from Ruin's.

[ASAGO]

I have not seen the knifecome up yet, only the scars in Ruins back as to where Scabby;s soul resides its probablyin something like raests sould was in and one of the Elder gods has probably tucked it away for a rainy day.

[Danyah]

Dunno, it's a shadow-dagger, but the Edur put Shadowswords in their blackwood trees to sanctify their longhouses. The one at the Sengar residence emerged partly out of the living wood again. If they put those swords in trees, I don't think a dagger will matter. It's not like it's dragnipur or something.