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Trying to Write an RPG set in lether. i have a fairly good idea of how the Warrens work and how mages use them. However, the holds are a bit confusing. They mostly seem to be used to blow stuff up in a very violent fashion. I can't recall any one using them for anything that required any sort of..em...'finesse'. Corlo does point out that compared to a Warren its like hitching a ride on a wagon with square wheels and complimenting each other on the smooth ride. So is it just raw power they possess, waiting to be unleashed? Or can any one remember any uses from the books where they are used to do something smooth? Attack, defense, scrying and so on seems to be fairly common as are rituals (then maybe they are forced to rely on rituals for versatility). Are they ever used for transport, confusing, summoning, binding?
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Hold Magic- How versatile are they?
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Posted 15 May 2007 - 06:18 AM
Well for example's of expert use of holdmagic you'd have to look at what the T'lan Imass, Jaghut, Letherii, Edur, Andii, etc. are doing.
Take the Imass and Jaghut rituals, seem like highly complicated and difficult rituals. Don't know about finess though...
Take the Imass and Jaghut rituals, seem like highly complicated and difficult rituals. Don't know about finess though...
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Posted 15 May 2007 - 08:07 AM
From memory the Hold are definitely more primeval and raw. Cascading waves in a somewhat uncontrollable way. Warrens etc seem more finite and specialises being branches of things. Specific uses and tasks can be fashioned.
I cannot remember it being any other way but then again I've only read up to Bonehunters
I cannot remember it being any other way but then again I've only read up to Bonehunters
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Posted 15 May 2007 - 11:19 AM
Aptorian;185165 said:
Well for example's of expert use of holdmagic you'd have to look at what the T'lan Imass, Jaghut, Letherii, Edur, Andii, etc. are doing.
Take the Imass and Jaghut rituals, seem like highly complicated and difficult rituals. Don't know about finess though...
Take the Imass and Jaghut rituals, seem like highly complicated and difficult rituals. Don't know about finess though...
According to Bottle, Holds and Elder Warrens are different. I'm not sure how...but apparently, they are.
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Posted 15 May 2007 - 05:54 PM
In the 'assasination attempt' that gave Gerun Eberict the King's Leave, one sorceror had filled the lungs of two men with sand (page 161 of my copy of MT).
Perhaps Shurq and Harlest's souls are bound to their bodies by Hold magic.
Perhaps Shurq and Harlest's souls are bound to their bodies by Hold magic.
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Posted 18 May 2007 - 09:53 PM
Holds are the orginal version of warrens, from before K'rul created the warrens.
There more basic, and more chaotic. Meaning there less refined, so while fine tasks like making illusions (like the rat guild) can be accomplished, the spells are both very hard to control and extremly inifeciant.
It's like how the Crimson gaurdsmen said. Holds are like square wheels. They work, but there damned inefficient.
The one compensation they have for there lack of refinment, is there sheer raw power. As a more primal force, there spells are stronger, and larger. And there also highly resistant to effects like otatoral and similar powers that would ordinarly effect warren magic.
There more basic, and more chaotic. Meaning there less refined, so while fine tasks like making illusions (like the rat guild) can be accomplished, the spells are both very hard to control and extremly inifeciant.
It's like how the Crimson gaurdsmen said. Holds are like square wheels. They work, but there damned inefficient.
The one compensation they have for there lack of refinment, is there sheer raw power. As a more primal force, there spells are stronger, and larger. And there also highly resistant to effects like otatoral and similar powers that would ordinarly effect warren magic.
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Posted 23 May 2007 - 01:45 AM
The lungs being filled with sand, was something I thought about after. Its one of the few examples that even closely resembles what a warren can do. There don't seem to be many effects like that- it was mentioned as highest sorcery. They still wield sensory magic and their wards and alarms etc work pretty well. There are a few examples of that or implied examples at least. On or two more in RG but I shall say nothing of that for a while.
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