[Hark but Soft]

Abyss;169939 said:

Are you suggesting that the dead BBs may seize the Jaghut death warren?

Yes. And I am suggesting that this warren is time-aspected.

[Dolorous Menhir]

Where is all this time-aspect chat coming from? The warren may be old, but that's not the same as having an aspect of time. The only things I can think of in the books that's connected with "time" in the sense you use it are

- the "memory of Raraku" business
- the Eres'al, who is actually explicitly time-aspected in some way

neither of which are connected to the Jaghut warren of death with the Hound Statues in it.

[Hark but Soft]

From my earlier post:

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Now Omtose Phellack and Hood's realm are both presumable layers atop this realm. Both are Jaghut realms (assuming Hood is a Jaghut). Both are time aspected (ice stops time, death either stops time or stretches it infinitely, depending how you look at it). So to me it makes sense that the root force of Jaghut realms is time itself.

Add to that the coincidence that Boatfinder's people call the past the frozen time, and that you have to take a bridge to the unfound time, and you have several ingredients that come together pretty convincingly that this whole thing is a metaphore for time itself.

I'm almost certainly wrong, but in answer to your question, that's where I get the connection to time.

[Dolorous Menhir]

I see your reasoning, but I don't buy it. Sorry. Gothos' ritual may have messed up death and the advancement of the holds into warrens on Lether, but that is not the same as saying it is time based sorcery. Time still passed on Lether, it was still part of the real world. The systems of magic and mortality were broken, and that really doesn't have anything to do with time at all. Ice doesn't stop time either.

The root force of Jaghut sorceries is ice. There's no deeper relationship.

The Eres'al as a time-travelling deus ex machina is bad enough, I don't think SE needs to introduce any more temporal shenanigans into the story.

[Hark but Soft]

I dunno, DM. Look at the Reapers Gale prologue.

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"Locking the truth in place, to make it more than memory." and "death itself is denied" sure has a time-related feeling to me. It's been hinted at that Omtose Phellack is not just ice, but an ice that stops time.

Like I said, I am probably wrong, but that's how I've read it, and so far nothing has really come up to challenge this notion in my mind. But of course that could change very quickly when reading RG.

[buddhacat]

Dolorous Menhir;170141 said:

Where is all this time-aspect chat coming from? The warren may be old, but that's not the same as having an aspect of time. The only things I can think of in the books that's connected with "time" in the sense you use it are

- the "memory of Raraku" business
- the Eres'al, who is actually explicitly time-aspected in some way

neither of which are connected to the Jaghut warren of death with the Hound Statues in it.

I might add one more: Azath houses.

[Dolorous Menhir]

Are you referring to the stasis people seem to be held in in the Azath? True, I missed that. Can it be considered time magic though?

I'm not sure.

[Abyss]

It's not utterly off base to suggest a denial of death = a denial of time.

- Abyss, clearly needs to throw away his watch.

[Brys Beddict]

Gesler's ship, the Silanda is another place where time is frozen. In DG, Gesler says that he can't even grow facial hair in their. Add that into the fact that all the headless corpses still drip warm blood and I'd say that place is devoid of time. Not necessarily on topic, but it does deal with time.

[Lancelot]

Ok didnt want to start a new thread with this but!! Its to do with Hedge in the nascent.... *Para-phrasing wildly* Just before Hedge releases the Deragoth, Paran asks him if he thinks they(Ghostly Moranth Munitions) will work in this realm??
And Hedge replies " Of course they will! Hood once strode this realm"

Any thoughts?? Hood = Edur (hence the munitions quote)

Or is the liquid lunch kicking in..........Hic!