[Danforth]

I'm looking forward to reading The Errants story, he could become a very interesting character.

Also the Scabandari vs. Silchas fight should be pretty awesome.

Not sure if this is the synopsis that will end up on the final book though seems a little rough.

[Battalion]

Isn't the Errant the old Master of the Holds? If so, might he want to speak with Paran?

[flea]

The synopsis sounds great. I hope we get more Tehol and Bugg too.

[Tiste Simeon]

Battalion said:

Isn't the Errant the old Master of the Holds? If so, might he want to speak with Paran?

That will be the "I must reveal lots of plotlines in this series to keep the rabid forum fanatics happy" conversation.

[Abyss]

Hmmm... so "Amongst them are Karsa Orlong and Icarium Lifestealer - each destined to cross blades with the emperor himself."

...maybe that Iccy v Karsa rematch may not happen after all.

- Abyss, to be clear, did not intend the above to turn into another 'ho'd win'.

[Aptorian]

Seeing as MT were supposed to take place some time before MoI or even earlier, Parans tittle of Master might be the cause of the Errants loss of forsight in RG.

That is ofc if the Holds and Houses and the master of their decks have a deeper connection.

[Thelomen Toblerone]

There would seem to be as I cant think what else would bugger up his foresight but someone usurping his power.

I cant wait to see what Silchas will do now, whether he'll let Fear find Scabby and then challenge old Bloodeye to a duel, or just kill Fear before he has a chance, or what. Im too excited....

[Morgoth]

Didn't mention anything about the Bonehunters I noticed... Does that mean they're on the way to Genebackis, not Lether and will thus feature in Toll of The hounds? Or do they just arrive later in the book and thus avoid the synopsis *shrugs*

[Dark Mac]

Morgoth;154610 said:

Didn't mention anything about the Bonehunters I noticed... Does that mean they're on the way to Genebackis, not Lether and will thus feature in Toll of The hounds? Or do they just arrive later in the book and thus avoid the synopsis *shrugs*

Someone who read the book already, either Pallor or Malaclypse, already confirmed that they're heading to Lether.

[sarlinspellweaver]

Abyss;154589 said:

Hmmm... so "Amongst them are Karsa Orlong and Icarium Lifestealer - each destined to cross blades with the emperor himself."

...maybe that Iccy v Karsa rematch may not happen after all.

- Abyss, to be clear, did not intend the above to turn into another 'ho'd win'.

Personally, if I were Steven Erikson, I'd avoid the conflicts entirely just to avoid annoying the various Icarium/Karsa/Rhulad fanboys & fangirls, and to make sure that there is always a Drizzt-vs-Elminster question that is never resolved .

[Illuyankas]

It'd be funnier if, say, Icarium and Karsa square up, then Iccy is suddenly impaled on a spear of frozen piss from a high-flying passenger Elient, like Silchas giving Kettle a draggyback ride and being caught short. You read it here first.

[nzoreo]

so if they are each going to fight rhulad does that mean one of them dies or does one of them step in to help out, i think if anyone were to die it would b karsa because as tough as he is he hasnt laid waste to a city killing everyone in it for 5 days

[Called-by-the-Voices]

sarlinspellweaver;154878 said:

Personally, if I were Steven Erikson, I'd avoid the conflicts entirely just to avoid annoying the various Icarium/Karsa/Rhulad fanboys & fangirls, and to make sure that there is always a Drizzt-vs-Elminster question that is never resolved .

Drizzt, all the way... :-D:p

[Monoch Ochem]

Well it was obvious that the Errant would fade. His time everywhere else was long past. But for Gothos' sorcery, he would long ago have been manifest as Opponn. The failing of his sight comes as no surprise but I did wonder how SE would procedurally erase him.

What intrigues me is this stuff about a Machiavellian chancellor. This Triban Gnol we're talking about? And who's responsible for all these conspiracies? Hanan Mosag, if he's still alive is a very likely candidate.

As for the conflagration, the synopsis says there "WILL [sic] be a reckoning on an unimaginable scale" between Scabandari and Silchas. So despite Silchas' passive rumblings in MT, it would seem that much will be revealed as to his true character and intent.

Good find Mythodikal.

[Dolorous Menhir]

Monoch Ochem;157863 said:

Well it was obvious that the Errant would fade. His time everywhere else was long past. But for Gothos' sorcery, he would long ago have been manifest as Opponn. The failing of his sight comes as no surprise but I did wonder how SE would procedurally erase him.

Manifest as Oponn? Why do people keep on linking the gods of luck and whatever the Errant is aspected to (it's not luck)?

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What intrigues me is this stuff about a Machiavellian chancellor. This Triban Gnol we're talking about? And who's responsible for all these conspiracies? Hanan Mosag, if he's still alive is a very likely candidate.

I figure Hannan Mosag for Chancellor too, if Rhulad didn't immediately remove him for the betrayal in the Throne Room. If Triban Gnol is still in the position, I would guess he was no more than a figure-head, I doubt the man could hack moving in the Edur's circles.

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As for the conflagration, the synopsis says there "WILL [sic] be a reckoning on an unimaginable scale" between Scabandari and Silchas. So despite Silchas' passive rumblings in MT, it would seem that much will be revealed as to his true character and intent.

You kind of got the impression that Ruin didn't really care that much about what Scabby did to him. No doubt Scabby would recognise him as a threat and hunt him down, but I don't see Ruin making the same moves. I'm hoping Scabandari becomes a well-fleshed out and even sympathetic character.

[Mael]

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Manifest as Oponn? Why do people keep on linking the gods of luck and whatever the Errant is aspected to (it's not luck)?

I made this same mistake aswell when reading the series the first time. It's mainly do to the similarities between how people use the errant's name in MT and how people use Oppon's in the rest of the books as a good luck blessing.

As for the Errant's aspect...wasn't he unaligned being the previous "master of the holds", much like Paran is the Master of the Deck?

[Dolorous Menhir]

The Errant talks about his own aspect in the Throne Room, so he definitely has one. His position as Master of the Holds came before he was a God, as explained. He used his non-aspected position as MotH to build up a power-base, and he used that to become a true god, the Errant. Gods have aspects, and it's even possible that MotH has one too. Could it not be said that Ganoes Paran is aspected to the Fatid? Or to the Azath? Or to the warrens? "Aspect" is a pretty vague concept, after all.

I think his aspect is fate or destiny, but those are not quite the right words. He takes events and manipulates them, just a little, to produce a poignant and tragic result. For example, placing B'nagga of the Jheck (spelling may be wrong) and Iron Bars together, or pushing Brys towards drinking the poison. This is not the same as Oponn, who are about randomisation and the maximisation of chaos.

Do people agree with that characterisation?

[Onrack the breakable]

sarlinspellweaver;154878 said:

Personally, if I were Steven Erikson, I'd avoid the conflicts entirely just to avoid annoying the various Icarium/Karsa/Rhulad fanboys & fangirls, and to make sure that there is always a Drizzt-vs-Elminster question that is never resolved .

You get my vote too.

On the other hand SE seems to just love the paper,scissors, rock type analogy even if in real life such things are never so clear. So paper may cover a rock but in real life the rock doesn't give a sh_t and isn't hurt by a ridiculous piece of paper. In fact, the paper eventually will be blown away or rot while the rock remains unharmed. That sort of thing.