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I was on Alan Moore's side. Than I read about his use of other creaters children's characters in Lost Girls.
Now I'm no longer on his side. I doubt the creaters of Wizard of Oz and Peter Pan envisaged their creations ending up in soft core erotica.
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Posted 02 February 2012 - 12:06 PM
See, the part that bugs me is the contract for WATCHMEN was very specific on DC's part to assure that Moore and Gibbons would be given the rights back after WATCHMEN went out of print...but DC decided to keep the damn thing in print ever since and the rights have therefore never gone back to them as was planned. I don't think they were expecting that, and I'd be super pissed about it too. Them using other characters SINCE then is totally beside the point IMHO.
Anyways, I kind of have to eat crow about creatively bankrupt, since in the New52 so far Grant Morrison's ACTION COMICS is really solid, Manapul & Buccelato are absolutely killing on their FLASH run and Scott Snyder & Greg Capulo's run on BATMAN is probably one of the BEST things I've read in years. The DC Nu is definitely doing a lot right, as I've not been this invested in comics in a long while. So I gotta give credit where due.
Anyways, I kind of have to eat crow about creatively bankrupt, since in the New52 so far Grant Morrison's ACTION COMICS is really solid, Manapul & Buccelato are absolutely killing on their FLASH run and Scott Snyder & Greg Capulo's run on BATMAN is probably one of the BEST things I've read in years. The DC Nu is definitely doing a lot right, as I've not been this invested in comics in a long while. So I gotta give credit where due.
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Posted 02 February 2012 - 12:13 PM
QuickTidal, on 02 February 2012 - 12:06 PM, said:
See, the part that bugs me is the contract for WATCHMEN was very specific on DC's part to assure that Moore and Gibbons would be given the rights back after WATCHMEN went out of print...but DC decided to keep the damn thing in print ever since and the rights have therefore never gone back to them as was planned. I don't think they were expecting that, and I'd be super pissed about it too. Them using other characters SINCE then is totally beside the point IMHO.
Anyways, I kind of have to eat crow about creatively bankrupt, since in the New52 so far Grant Morrison's ACTION COMICS is really solid, Manapul & Buccelato are absolutely killing on their FLASH run and Scott Snyder & Greg Capulo's run on BATMAN is probably one of the BEST things I've read in years. The DC Nu is definitely doing a lot right, as I've not been this invested in comics in a long while. So I gotta give credit where due.
Anyways, I kind of have to eat crow about creatively bankrupt, since in the New52 so far Grant Morrison's ACTION COMICS is really solid, Manapul & Buccelato are absolutely killing on their FLASH run and Scott Snyder & Greg Capulo's run on BATMAN is probably one of the BEST things I've read in years. The DC Nu is definitely doing a lot right, as I've not been this invested in comics in a long while. So I gotta give credit where due.
The Watchmen book was much more successful than DC thought it would be. So they kept the book in print and kept the rights. Its sneaky and underhanded, true. But they own the charactes legally.
Alan Moores use of children's characters, which he does not own but were free domain I believe, in what he said outright was a pornography book is also some what dubious. It undercuts a lot of the moral higher ground from him. I really doubt the creaters of those works would have allowed that use if they were alive. But the rights had passed so Moore was free to do so.
I'm not on DC's side but neither side is unblemished here.
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Posted 02 February 2012 - 02:59 PM
blackzoid, on 02 February 2012 - 12:13 PM, said:
I'm not on DC's side but neither side is unblemished here.
Oh, I'm not saying Moore is squeaky clean at all. Far from it, but I think DC dropped the ball and were dickish first is all.
Other than that, WATCHMEN was never about the characters, it was about the time and situation (1985, people not needing superheroes anymore ect.) much more than it was ever about the characters. That said, the character development on each of them is actually pretty fleshed out in the original text, so I can't fathom what prequels will accomplish that really needs to be said.
Just my thoughts, and reasons I won't read them.
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Posted 02 February 2012 - 03:41 PM
Finished up Issue #5 of Snyder & Capulo's BATMAN...and sweet holy hell. Talk about an impactful issue. Batman run through the mental wringer and Gordon standing vigil with the Bat Signal for the rest of the heroes who NEED it. Emotional, and drawn gorgeously.
Defo my fave title in the DCnu so far.
Defo my fave title in the DCnu so far.
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Posted 02 February 2012 - 09:55 PM
Good interview with J. Michael Straczynski here (thanks to Wert for the link) regarding the Watchmen prequels. Also, I'm loving this cover:
Also also: I've never read Watchmen or seen the movie. I need to rectify that!
Also also: I've never read Watchmen or seen the movie. I need to rectify that!
"Here is light. You will say that it is not a living entity, but you miss the point that it is more, not less. Without occupying space, it fills the universe. It nourishes everything, yet itself feeds upon destruction. We claim to control it, but does it not perhaps cultivate us as a source of food? May it not be that all wood grows so that it can be set ablaze, and that men and women are born to kindle fires?"
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―Gene Wolfe, The Citadel of the Autarch
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Posted 03 February 2012 - 11:13 PM
two reasons why this is a bad idea...
1 - 35 issues in 35weeks. those numbers scream vastly inconsistent storytelling and art.
ten monthly issues would have been a work of comic art with the right team. this just screams cash grsb abd event padding.
2 - The DarkKnight Strikes Back . brilliant idea... get the original team to do a sequel to the groundbreaking Dark Knight Returns. except thst dkr was perfect and stood perfectly on its own. the result was a mess 8 psrt series brutally hacked down into three mediocre to crap issues, at about ten bucks a pop.
so Moore aside, im thinking mildly good idea. piss poor execution.
1 - 35 issues in 35weeks. those numbers scream vastly inconsistent storytelling and art.
ten monthly issues would have been a work of comic art with the right team. this just screams cash grsb abd event padding.
2 - The DarkKnight Strikes Back . brilliant idea... get the original team to do a sequel to the groundbreaking Dark Knight Returns. except thst dkr was perfect and stood perfectly on its own. the result was a mess 8 psrt series brutally hacked down into three mediocre to crap issues, at about ten bucks a pop.
so Moore aside, im thinking mildly good idea. piss poor execution.
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Posted 03 February 2012 - 11:45 PM
Watchmen prequels you say?
meh. Link was dead :(
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Posted 11 February 2012 - 10:53 PM
My kids are getting into superheroes. My son has gotten fixated on the Fantastic Four (a long story - he saw a Dr. Doom sticker, one question led to another, and...), so I have pre-ordered Marvel's FF Season One. I am kind of interested in the subsequent Season One releases, like Daredevil, so depending on how FF is I may pick them up too.
As for Before Watchmen...I'm torn. Part of me wants to see that universe expanded, and part of me wants everyone to just leave it the fuck alone, because it is about as close to perfect as we will ever see.
As for Before Watchmen...I'm torn. Part of me wants to see that universe expanded, and part of me wants everyone to just leave it the fuck alone, because it is about as close to perfect as we will ever see.
OK, I think I got it, but just in case, can you say the whole thing over again? I wasn't really listening.
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Posted 17 February 2012 - 05:29 PM
Chris and I posted our "BEST OF" the NEW 52 in DC Comics relaunch so far at six months in. Have a gander.
http://icebergink.bl...ry-picking.html
http://icebergink.bl...ry-picking.html
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Posted 10 March 2012 - 02:02 PM
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Posted 14 March 2012 - 03:13 PM
Re: THUNDER A.G.E.N.T.S. Note to DC Comics: If you are going to have feature artists (like Issue #3 had Walt Simonson do some old school art on certain pages to denote the past), then stick with one, and/or have someone who (like Simonson) has an art style that is conducive to Wes Craig's main art. Do NOT, I repeat, NOT bring in a stylistic/avante garde-ish artist like Sam Keith which is what happened in Issue #4. Spencer's story is very compelling, but the Sam Keith art in Issue #4 is just so jarringly different from Craig's (or any other feature artist who has done random pages so far) that it wholly takes you out of the story as it has been to this point. If I can't recognize which regular (Read: non-costumed) humans are which, that is a FAIL.
I like Keith as much as the next guy...when he does his own work as a whole. But his art is not the type you can mix and match on ongoing titles. It simply does not work.
I like Keith as much as the next guy...when he does his own work as a whole. But his art is not the type you can mix and match on ongoing titles. It simply does not work.
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Posted 14 March 2012 - 04:19 PM
The Complete Bone.
Funny, fun, at times brilliant fantasy goodness.
Plus cow races!!!
Funny, fun, at times brilliant fantasy goodness.
Plus cow races!!!
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Posted 14 March 2012 - 04:41 PM
Abyss, on 14 March 2012 - 04:19 PM, said:
The Complete Bone.
Funny, fun, at times brilliant fantasy goodness.
Plus cow races!!!
Funny, fun, at times brilliant fantasy goodness.
Plus cow races!!!
I have ALWAYS wanted to read this, but it has always seemed so daunting to me.
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Posted 14 March 2012 - 05:33 PM
QuickTidal, on 14 March 2012 - 04:41 PM, said:
I have ALWAYS wanted to read this, but it has always seemed so daunting to me.
DO IT.
DOOOOOOOO IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTT.
Coloured or uncoloured, Abyss? It may just be that I saw the uncoloured version first and that's what I've got, but from what I've seen of the coloured I prefer the one without, for some reason...
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Posted 14 March 2012 - 05:44 PM
I've seen The Complete Bone at Half Price Books a number of times. Someday, maybe...
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Posted 14 March 2012 - 06:36 PM
polishgenius, on 14 March 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:
QuickTidal, on 14 March 2012 - 04:41 PM, said:
I have ALWAYS wanted to read this, but it has always seemed so daunting to me.
DO IT.
DOOOOOOOO IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTT.
Seconded. It's totally worth the money and thinkymeatz time.
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Coloured or uncoloured, Abyss? It may just be that I saw the uncoloured version first and that's what I've got, but from what I've seen of the coloured I prefer the one without, for some reason...
Uncoloured. Doesn't bother me at all.
Salt-Man Z, on 14 March 2012 - 05:44 PM, said:
I've seen The Complete Bone at Half Price Books a number of times. Someday, maybe...
Half price??? oh ffs GRAB THAT BONE!
Wait... that sounds dirty...
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 04:28 PM
Further along in THE COMPLETE BONE... chapter 'Rock Jaw'... omg this work is BRILLIANT COMIC GENIUS. Without spoiling anything, at one point he has some main characters, some of their worse enemies and a group of cutsie animal babies fleeing from monsters down the side of a mountain and it is grippingly tense and massively funny and perfectly drawn all at once AND Smith even manages to advance the overarching plot in the process. I'm SO impressed.
And the line 'stupid, stupid rat creatures' cracks me up every time it's delivered.
I just added Vols 1 and 2 of BONE: QUEST FOR THE SPARK to my CAINE'S LAW pre-order.
And the line 'stupid, stupid rat creatures' cracks me up every time it's delivered.
I just added Vols 1 and 2 of BONE: QUEST FOR THE SPARK to my CAINE'S LAW pre-order.
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Posted 16 March 2012 - 12:57 AM
The thing I love about Bone is that at first glance it seems a goofy, silly, fun comic, and it is- stupid, stupid rat creatures - but as it goes on it becomes more and more apparent that it's epic and heartwarming and sad and tense and frightening and generally full of awesomeness.
It's Moomins meets Lord of the Rings.
In fact this discussion has inspired a little sprucing up of the image...
It's Moomins meets Lord of the Rings.
In fact this discussion has inspired a little sprucing up of the image...
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