[RodeoRanch]

The art wasn't very good, the story nigh incomprehensible and the characterization wafer-thin. It cracked me up how every hero would have an internal monologue that basically went "I am <Insert Dumb Hero Name> and my powers of <Insert list of dumb powers> and I must stop this!"

Hilariously bad.

[Abyss]

McLovin, on 24 September 2010 - 06:17 PM, said:

Well, it was just written in response to Marvel's Secret Wars. Which also was dumb.

Not really. It was a similar sort of major mega crossover event thing but unlike Secret Wars which was only significant for Spidey's new costume and Colussus sheboinging some alien because Kitty Pryde wouldn't put out, Crisis was actually the first time DC hit the massive reset button on 50 some odd years of contnuity and reeled in various characters like the Shazam fam and the Chal\rleton characters like Blue Beetle and Capn Atom. In the long run most of those changes have varying levels of success and DC just went back to the multiple earths thing but it was significant for its time. Unlike Secret Wars which was a more or less lame ho'd-win-a-thon.

RodeoRanch, on 24 September 2010 - 07:59 PM, said:

The art wasn't very good, the story nigh incomprehensible and the characterization wafer-thin. It cracked me up how every hero would have an internal monologue that basically went "I am <Insert Dumb Hero Name> and my powers of <Insert list of dumb powers> and I must stop this!"

Hilariously bad.

Apperently comics readers in the 80s were too dumb to read a footnote or something.

[stone monkey]

Hang on, the art in CoIE wasn't good? It was a bit 80s, I admit, so the state-of-the-art (if you excuse the pun) has moved on a bit. But the sheer technical skill and effort that Perez put into those astonishingly overpopulated panels deserves some kudos, surely?

[Abyss]

Perez is a the comic art god GOD but some of those insanely crowded panels are brutal. Not his fault because he's working with what the writer gives, and sometimes not even the writer's fault because they're told by their editorial overlords that the entire line-up of then out of print Metal Men circa 1982 must appear at least once. But that's a blip considering what he can do.

[RodeoRanch]

I was impressed with the scale but not the overall effect. Just didn't click with me.

[Abyss]

Clearly you are cold and dead inside. I defy you to reread Supergirl punching the Anti-Monitor in the brainz and tell me that panel set is not awesome.

[RodeoRanch]

"Final Crisis" made almost no sense to me.

[Abyss]

RodeoRanch, on 29 September 2010 - 02:59 AM, said:

"Final Crisis" made almost no sense to me.

What? Darkseid and the crew from Apocalypse acting mostly out of character and then being beaten by Talky Tawny the Tiger and Superman's super musical talents didn't impress you?

In case the sarcasm was lost, Final Crisis was crap.

[polishgenius]

Abyss, on 27 September 2010 - 08:10 PM, said:

Perez is a the comic art god GOD

Really? Perez gets the definite article over Jack Kirby?

[Abyss]

polishgenius, on 29 September 2010 - 07:48 AM, said:

Abyss, on 27 September 2010 - 08:10 PM, said:

Perez is a the comic art god GOD

Really? Perez gets the definite article over Jack Kirby?

Actually yes. Kirby was a big deal for doing a different style of art that for its time was novel, but frankly i find dated now. The krakle, the random zig zag lines and circles, the helmet hair...

Perez... well, go look at the art in JLA/Avengers and tell me the man cannot draw ANYTHING and make it look awesome.

[stone monkey]

It took me a while to learn to appreciate Kirby. When I first started reading US comics in the 80s his style was considered to be a bit old hat. But the energy and sheer imagination he deployed. Wow!

As for Final Crisis... We'll agree to disagree. I loved it, but I am a bit weird. btw Batman #701 and 702 were a so-called "missing" chapter of Batman RIP which covered the events of FC from Batman's perspective; they are immensely good. And #702 may well be one of the best single issues I've read for a few years.

And speaking of "The God of All Comics", Joe the Barbarian is due to finish with issue #8 in the next month or so; my tip is that this one will be really worth picking up as a trade, Morrison is almost on We3 form here.

This post has been edited by stone monkey: 29 September 2010 - 08:38 PM

[polishgenius]

Kirby is dated, but he's still awesome. It's the sheer weight of influence that he has that makes him the the in my book though.


My favourite artist has got to be J.H. Williams jr. though.

[RodeoRanch]

I actually liked "Infinite Crisis" which I did read before "Final Crisis."

"Blackest Night" felt incomplete as I refused to buy all the other companion books. The book is amusing for the whole zombie thing but it basically just one big stupid brawl.

I just read Paul Dini and Alex Ross' "The World's Greatest Super-Heroes"
Great book. Fantastic art and some elegant story telling.

[Roland_85]

The Walking Dead, Volume 7: The Calm Before

[stone monkey]

Currently getting Neonomicon by Alan Moore and Jacen Burrows from Avatar Press; it's some pretty graphic stuff (if you excuse the pun) Not sure precisely where it's going, but the characters appear to be having no fun whatsoever; which you'd expect given it would appear to be based on HP Lovecraft's work.

[Abyss]

I have to mention that Chaykin and Mignola's Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser TPB is just brillaint. Seriously, they do such amazing work with Leiber's material it saddens me that only four issues were ever produced by this team.

If you have any love for these characters, track this book down.

[Roland_85]

The Walking Dead, Volume Eight: Made To Suffer

[Roland_85]

The Walking Dead, Volume Nine: Here We Remain

[QuickTidal]

New Grant Morrison-written Batman title coming in November looks pretty cool.

http://icebergink.bl...man-inc-in.html

[Roland_85]

GYO - Junji Ito