[detritus]

Illuyankas, on Jan 31 2009, 01:09 AM, said:

mandog, on Jan 30 2009, 08:35 PM, said:

Illuyankas, on Jan 28 2009, 07:53 PM, said:

So I read Final Crisis 7.

I want to punch Grant Morrison in the face.

I have no intention of reading issue 7, so could you elaborate.

Short version:

Spoiler

Everyone's left on the Watchtower as reality collapses. Darkseid's death - TOLD IN FLASHBACK - is basically the Flashes leading the Black Racer to Darkseid at superluminal speeds, allowing Darkseid to fire the bullet that killed Orion back in time to kill Orion just before the Racer reaches him and kills him. Lex and Sivana help out. Frankenstein (the monster, but he took the doctor's name) cured everyone of the Anti-Life Equation by being dead and making a large dog bite Wonder Woman, after Libra and Darkseid are killed. Meanwhile, Captain Marvel and the new female Question fly around in a multiversal ship recruiting almost every Superman in the multiverse, including Superobama. Back home, a robot Justice League go mad and break some trophies, then the good guys miniaturise all the survivors on the Watchtower and send them off somewhere in a rocket, while Superman says a word that blows up Darkseid's soul while making a machine that will fufill one wish. Suddenly, an evil space vampire Monitor called Mandrakk shows up to devour the multiverse along with a crazy vampire Ultraman, the Superman from the universe where all the Justice League are dicks, as his henchman. Then more suddenly a good Supermonitor calling himself The Judge Of All Evil shows up, summoning the army of Supermen assembled to defeat the evil space vampire Monitor called Mandrakk, and also Captain Carrot an anthromorphic superrabbit for some reason. Then some Green Lanterns show up, shout, "Spike this vampire!" and stake the evil space vampire Monitor called Mandrakk while the elite team of Supermen from the entire multiverse stand around and do nothing. Ultraman dies so pathetically I can't even remember who kills him. Superman makes the wish on the wish machine, and everything is fixed. Earth-51 is now the Kirby Universe, with the New Gods, including Orion who is somehow not dead and not including Darkseid who is dead, alive there and chilling out, while Kamandi is going around being the Last Boy or whatever I didn't care because they had the map with ORANGUTAN SURFING CIVILISATION on for that bit. Also Anthro the First Boy is there too. The Monitors get dissolved by Supermonitor - one old Monitor in particular saying, "Our story is toxic, we must end it," which I agreed heavily with - and Supermonitor wakes up as a human in a Metropolis flat. The book ends with Anthro the First Boy, now an old man in Earth-51, seemingly dying with the facepaint on, when a utility belt is laid on him and Batman wipes away the cave paintings of his, Superman and Wonder Woman's symbols from the cave wall seen on one of the Final Crisis 1 covers.

Long version:

Spoiler

Like the short version, except it makes less sense.

Illy's spoilerfree review:

Spoiler

I want to punch Grant Morrison in the face, over and over and over again.

Ugh... I'm so glad they keep the Green Lantern universe self contained. I hope they dont fuck that up with blackest night. They better do it like Sinestro Corp War. Everytime DC does a company wide event its garbage.

[stone monkey]

I may be late into this 21st Century living thing, but I've just discovered comic book torrents - yet another reason for me to remain glued to my computer and not leave the house, it would appear...

So I've just got hold of both Grant Morrison's Zenith and Alan Moore's Miracleman, both of which are stories I last read nearly 20 years ago that are now impossibly expensive to get hold of as originals and both of which seem to have aged surprisingly well - Zenith more so than Miracleman,I think, as it was, when written, only trying to be cool and fun as opposed to groundbreaking.

[Illuyankas]

Welcome to the wonderful world of downloading out-of-print comics! Oh, how much money the companies would make if they just reprinted a few!

Also I fully endorse your downloading of Miracleman because 1. it's a cool if messed up story and 2. I hate Todd McFarlane.

[Abyss]

THE CONDENSED FINAL CRISIS:

Darkseid: I WIN.
Everyone: No you don't.
They fight. Darkseid loses. Everything goes back to the way it was, more or less.
DC Comics: Look! Spin-offs!!!


- Abyss, gave up.

[stone monkey]

As you, no doubt, all know both Miracleman (or more properly Marvelman) and Zenith currently have legal stuff attached to them which means they can't be reprinted. Were either available in paper formats that didn't require the sale of one of my kidneys to afford, I would buy them like a shot; as I much prefer the experience of reading them from the physical page to that of reading them from a screen. But until then...

btw I literally own the book on the whole Miracleman affair; the book in question is by George Khoury and is very informative; especially on the douchebaggery of a certain ex-Spider Man artist/writer...

This post has been edited by stone monkey: 26 February 2009 - 06:50 PM

[detritus]

I just want to toss out again that Green Lantern is amazing right now. Blackest Night has the potential to be great, if they keep the scale down, like they did Sinestro Corps War.

[stone monkey]

I suspect this will be a massive disappointment, but I'll be buying it anyway if only for the sake of completeness

[polishgenius]

GRAWAIWIAWIAWIAWJANSIOAFHASOUHIASOHDIDOUIUOIAUSIIASOJIAOSIOASJIASOJ and GRRM fans think they have it hard. Two+ years and counting for ONE. FUCKING. ISSUE.

Still, the happy happy joy that will hopefully ensue when it finally comes out (or, for me at least, when it gets collected into a trade and that comes out) should more than make up for it.

[dktorode]

Just started reading All Star Superman, i must say...its rather very good.

[wolf_2099]

polishgenius, on Mar 4 2009, 04:19 AM, said:

GRAWAIWIAWIAWIAWJANSIOAFHASOUHIASOHDIDOUIUOIAUSIIASOJIAOSIOASJIASOJ and GRRM fans think they have it hard. Two+ years and counting for ONE. FUCKING. ISSUE.

Still, the happy happy joy that will hopefully ensue when it finally comes out (or, for me at least, when it gets collected into a trade and that comes out) should more than make up for it.

What are you talking about? Ultimate Hulk and Wilvie?

[wolf_2099]

stone monkey, on Feb 26 2009, 11:48 AM, said:

As you, no doubt, all know both Miracleman (or more properly Marvelman) and Zenith currently have legal stuff attached to them which means they can't be reprinted. Were either available in paper formats that didn't require the sale of one of my kidneys to afford, I would buy them like a shot; as I much prefer the experience of reading them from the physical page to that of reading them from a screen. But until then...

btw I literally own the book on the whole Miracleman affair; the book in question is by George Khoury and is very informative; especially on the douchebaggery of a certain ex-Spider Man artist/writer...

If you look, and are willing to take time, you can find Miracleman for cheap.

Now mind you, it took 3 years for me, but I managed to get issues 1 through 22 for $5 or less, each, plus the 3D issue.

Issue 23 and 24, however, I had to shell out about $20 a pop for. Give it a month or two as well. With Watchmen coming out, Alan Moore stuff will be more expensive right now.

[stone monkey]

It's apropos of nothing, but this made me giggle

[RodeoRanch]

I just finished reading the "Justice" series. I sure do like Alex Ross artwork. Pretty cool series.

[stone monkey]

It would appear it's done after all... Now we just have to wait for the buggers to actually publish it...

[polishgenius]

stone monkey, on Apr 1 2009, 02:27 AM, said:

It would appear it's done after all... Now we just have to wait for the buggers to actually publish it...

*head explodes with excitement*

[polishgenius]

I picked up The Nightly News today. It's pretty damn good. Not sure how his style would hold up for longer, but I'm definitely interested to read other stuff of his.

[stone monkey]

Bumpety Bump! - Mainly 'cos Apt couldn't find this thread...

Sad news about Captain Britain and MI13 getting cancelled; it was definitely one of the best ongoing series out there. Apparently it was making solid numbers everywhere else but the US but, as Diamond apparently only count the US numbers, Marvel went and pulled the plug. Hope they have enough issues left to finish the truly mental current story that has Dracula invading the UK from the moon on flying ships full of vampires... The last cliffhanger appears to have him depopulating the UK and killing most of the main cast so I, for one, am intrigued as to how Paul Cornwell is going to write himself out of that one...

The other Hickman series published under the Image banner have only been limiteds - and A Red Mass For Mars has been really slow coming out (the schedule rivals Planetary for tardiness) but they have been of equally high quality. Transhuman has some pretty ropey art but is quite ferociously clever and very funny in places, whilst Pax Romana showed what he can do when he really lets loose with an idea. He's writing Secret Warriors with Bendis over in the Marvel 'Verse at the moment, which I haven't been picking up so I've no idea of the quality of that offering.

The second Mouse Guard series has just finished and, like the first, is utterly gorgeous looking. And the new League of Extraordinary Gentlemen has, after some delay on this side of the Atlantic, got going. I'm also reading Warren Ellis' Ignition City and No Hero; the latter of which appears to be going from where Black Summer left off.

Morrison and Quitely's new Batman book will be in my hands later today, and the word on the street says it may even be as good as All Star Superman. Which is high praise indeed, as that's possibly the best thing published, in the superhero genre, in the last 20 years. I'm also reading the 2nd Seaguy mini, which I will also be purchasing later today, and which appears to be easily as freaky as the first.

Manga wise I'm going with The Kurosagi Corpse Delivery Service which is deliciously funny and occasionally very creepy.

This post has been edited by stone monkey: 06 June 2009 - 12:40 PM

[Aptorian]

From the thread I made. I think the problem may have been that I searched for "comic" and not "comics".

Aptorian, on Jun 5 2009, 11:28 PM, said:

I searched but couldn't locate the old thread.

Anyway, I've finally found a reliable "alternative" means of getting my hands on comic books that doesn't involve selling my body for science or exchanging sexual favors in the back of smelly cars. Which means that I'll soon have actual up to date opinions of value to share in comic book discussions now.

So far I've gotten my hands on

Marvel:
Deadpool and Cable 1-50
The Complete World War Hulk
The Complete Civil War
The complete Infinity Gauntlet
Uncanny X-men 1-504
Uncanny X-men Annual 1-25

DC:

The Complete Final Crisis
The Complete Zero Hour

I'm looking into finding:

The complete Secret Invasion (Marvel)
52 (DC)
Planet Hulk (Marvel)
World War Hulk Aftersmash(Marvel)
Redhulk(Marvel)
Batman RIP(DC)
The old Death of Superman comics with Doomsday and co (DC)
X-force(Marvel)
Collections of Fantastic 4, Avengers and Spiderman comics(Marvel)

I'm wondering if any can recommend anything else to look into?

I haven't collected comic books or done any real looking into the stuff since before 2000 so there's a lot of stuff out there that I'm just now discovering.

Of the stuff I've collected I've just finished World War Hulk, which was fucking awesome (except for part of the ending), and have just begun reading Cable and Deadpool which is just about the most fun I've had reading comic books I can remember.

For the record I have already read a few Immortal Iron Fist issues, since one of my friends are collecting them. They're okay, but Iron Fist was never really my taste. I enjoyed seeing him getting his ass handed to him in World War Hulk though.

This post has been edited by Aptorian: 06 June 2009 - 05:15 AM

[wolf_2099]

I'll post this, it is a list I made up of reccomendations for friends to ask me what comics to read. Also first TPB volume listed.

Batman: Long Halloween
Batman: Dark Victory
Superman: For All Seasons
Batman: Dark Knights Returns
Batman: Year One
Invincible - Family Matters
Ultimate X-Men - The Tomorrow People
Ultimate Spider-Man - Power and Responsibility
The Sword - Fire
Ultimates Volume 1 - Mark Millar
Powers Who - Killed Retro Girl?
New X-Men Volume 1 - Grant Morrison
JLA - New World Order
Authority - Relentless
Hellboy - Seed of Destruction
Daredevil: Born Again
DC: The New Frontier Volume 1 - Darwyn Cooke
Kingdom Come

Sandman - Preludes and Nocturnes
Scalped - Indian Country
DMZ - On The Ground
Fables - Legends in Exile
Ex Machina - First Hundred Days
Y - The Last Man - Unmanned
Walking Dead - Days Gone Bye
V For vendetta
Preacher - Gone to Texas
League of Extraordinary Gentlemen Volume 1 - Alan Moore
Northlanders - Sven the Returned
30 Days of Night
Criminal - Lawless
Transmetropolitan - Back on the Street
Sin City


Also, the good stuff I am reading right now:
Queen and Country by Greg Rucka
100 Bullets
Starman by James Robinson
Stray Bullets by David Lapham

This post has been edited by wolf_2099: 06 June 2009 - 05:24 AM

[stone monkey]

Well some of those I've not read... But for the most part I'd agree.

All Star Superman really needs to be on that list. And Alan Moore's Top Ten, which is extraordinary. I'd probably add Warren Ellis' Global Frequency and Planetary too, and the latter part of his run on Stormwatch Jonathan Hickman's Image stuff would go on there as well. And I also quite like Mark Millar's work on Ultimate Fantastic Four and Mike Carey's.