[Aptorian]

Could you revise your question? You've left out words or otherwised made your question cryptic.

Without having my book with me right now the Errant seems to hold two different positions in Lether.

The Errant is said to be the holds version of The Master of the Deck, Master of the Hold.

The Errant is also said to push or pull things like Oponn does. Making it possible that the Errant is an ascendant/god of luck/chance. This could how ever just be a coinsidence since Paran also pushes situation and corrects events as he pleases.

It would seem that Paran holds a bit more power of freedom than the Errant displays. This could be one of two things.

1 The Errant has been doing this stuff for countless millenia and has stopped acting directly, no matter the consequences. For example not warning Brys or helping the Crimson Guard

2 The Errant is a God, he's - unlike Paran - worshipped by millions and therefor might be restricted by the terms of his godhood. In the Bonehunters a Jaghut shows a darker knowledge of what a Master might become.

Look here for more: https://starvalddeme...om/The%20Errant

[Aptorian]

yes like Hetan wrote, and I overlooked, the Errant doesn't persay have any connection to the rest of Wu and the DoDragons, other than resembling Paran and Oponn.

[Dark Mac]

It's not. He's a completely different god, and for the last X years he's been active only in Lether.

[Thelomen Toblerone]

Yeah, the only other possible way around it would be if the Lord of Oppon was also the Errant, but then he'd be doing the Lady's work there too all at the same time so it doesn't seem likely.

[Shryval]

I was reading the wiki and came across some interesting links:

Bugg on the tombs under Lether: 'The language on the door belongs to an extinct people known as Forkrul Assail, who are collectively personified in our Fulcra by the personage we call the Errant.' (MT UKTpb, p.327)

Also:
'The Errant returns, and casts the seed into blood-soaked earth. Thus rises the Hold of the Azath.'

And:
Silchas Ruin on the Forkrul Assail:
To achieve peace, destruction is delivered. To give the gift of freedom, one promises eternal imprisonment.
MT, p.394


Taken together, it hints that there is a direct link between the Azath, the Errant, and the Forkrul Assail.
This makes sense - the FA are/were a power for balance, though achieved via extreme measures. The Errant is said by Bugg/Mael to represent this force, and is attributed (in Letherii mythology at least) as being involved in the creation of Azath.

But We know Krul to be the god of the Warrens, indeed the very being who imposed order on chaos:

A sudden sharpening ? pain as of wrists opened, the heat spilling forth ? a savage imposition of order, the heart from which blood flowed in even, steady streams. Twin chambers to that heart ? Kurald Galain, the Warren of Mother Dark ? and Starvald Demelain, the Warren of...Dragons
MOI, p236

Thus, doesn't it follow there must be a link between Krul and the Errant? After all, one the God of Warrens, one the God of Holds... As for the Forkrul Assail, I wonder if their steady disappearance coincides with the "return" of the Errant mentioned above. If he is in essence the god of the Forkrul Assail, might he not have used the FA in the formation of the Azath, the ultimate sentinels of order?

[Folken]

Errant is not God of the Holds.

And you're confusing the meaning of Holds. A Hold is just a different way of control imposed on the pantheon. A House is a more refined and different order of control compared to a Hold.

A Warren is a releam. KG, KE, SD are all warrens, releams

[Shryval]

Well he's listed as Master of the Holds, perhaps a more accurate term than God of the Holds, but the link remains.

'The Errant would then weave its mysterious skein, forging the Holds themselves' (MT UKTpb. p.31)

It reads to me like the Errant is a force of balance, like K'Rul is the imposer of order, and that the Errant might be behind the Azath. Thus he is likely the mysterious 'god' whose power the nameless ones use.

[Dolorous Menhir]

But the Errant is powerless outside Lether in the modern era, because he has been forgotten.

And his aspect is not balance, but more along the lines of tragedy or fate or destiny or something.

Plus the Errant is someone who became the Master of the Holds, presumably in the same manner as Paran did, so he was a mortal who ascended. He then used that position as a springboard to true godhood by building up a worship base. This means he is not old enough to have created the Azath, or any other such thing. He is not that fundamental, and in the modern day, not that powerful either.

[Shryval]

A good point, Dolorous. Can you find a link to him being an ascended mortal though? There's definitely a link between him and formation of the Azath and the Holds, even if they are achievements only acscibed to him in the letherii theology.

Bugg (who would know) says he is the Letherii equivalent of the FA, and the FA are balance. IMHO, he's an Elder god, an elemental force for balance, but only active in the Letherii continent and the Azath are definitely tools of balance, arbiters that bring peace through captivity/destruction.

I guess with him locked in Letherii, the Deck has long needed an equivalent of the Errant, hence the promotion of Paran.

[flea]

Thelomen Toblerone;112317 said:

Yeah, the only other possible way around it would be if the Lord of Oppon was also the Errant, but then he'd be doing the Lady's work there too all at the same time so it doesn't seem likely.

There is a curious passage in MT: "The Errant began walking, staying ahead of the Tiste Edur, and feeling, deep within him, the lurching, stumbling measure of time, the countless heartbeats, merging one and all -- no need, finally, for a nudge, a push or a pull. No need, it seemed, for anything. He would but witness, now."

The Errant is portrayed as particularly androgynous. Does anyone else see a connection to Oppon?

[Thelomen Toblerone]

I'm not sure; certainly there are similarities, but I think that's just more down to their similar respective roles....

And I'm not sure the Errant is androgynous, wasn't he the first consort of the Letherii Queen? As such I imagine he'd have to have certain....male qualities....

[flea]

He is absolutely described as feminine, and he is also the lover of the chancellor.

There is a long discussion about the Errant here: http://www.malazanem...read.php?t=1123

[Dolorous Menhir]

The Errant is confined to Lether. Oponn is not. Thus the Errant is not Oponn.

[flea]

Agreed. I find myself wondering what it means when there are corresponding gods, and whet might happen when they meet and interact.