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The Missing Bole Sister

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Posted 27 July 2006 - 06:33 AM

She's out there somewhere, and we'll only realize who she is after a couple more books . . . I don't have a theory yet, but some possibilities exist . . . :

a)Moghora (definitely a Mott Irregular -- she does a lot of large-scale dumb things, and they always work. In that case, who is Iskaral Pust?)
b)Felisin III: She just shunts away the final push of the Chain Of Dogs, and they just, well, go away and join the other side . . .
c)Smiles: she just does what she does, like the young Apsalar, only meaner, and has no intention of getting caught being nice to anyone . . .

Other possibilities also exist, and we'll just have to see what happens.
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Posted 27 July 2006 - 06:44 AM

I Think maybe she is living in Mott wood right now.

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Posted 27 July 2006 - 06:56 AM

Yeah. I doubt we'll hear more of the boles in the MBotF. They are either shacked up around black coral or mott wood.... unless of course we're so lucky as to meet our favorite Necromancers again.
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Posted 27 July 2006 - 01:22 PM

No way your three candidates are the Bole sister.

Mogara is Dal Honese, like Pust.

Felisin Younger - just no.

Smiles - really stretching here. Smiles has zero magical ability and is nothing like the Bole brothers (stupidly brilliant).
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Posted 27 July 2006 - 01:31 PM

I tend to agree this is a ref'd-not-seen character.
We do have Crump, who is a Mott Irregular, so he may provide some further insight into them. But given that the disaster at Mott Wood seems to play an important part in the history of the Host and the BBs, we may see more ref's, maybe even flashbacks.

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Posted 28 July 2006 - 04:12 AM

Apt: That's what I would have thought, too. Then we get Crump in Bonehunters, who is there with no explanation, and survives the Great Olive Oil Fire, except it's not quite clear how he manages to do it. He's just, well, there when all the greasy dust has cleared.

Sure, we know where (for example) Moghora comes from. We also know where Fiddler comes from. He's an outlawed Gral -- doesn't he say that over and over again in Deadhouse Gates? Except for the fact that he isn't an outlawed Gral, this is a pretty convincing explanation . . .
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Posted 28 July 2006 - 06:33 AM

Pres: I think you're making more out of it than might be there. Althoughit is interesting that Crump shows up, promises more bole hilarity.

I'm not sure what you mean around Fiddler and Moghora. Fiddler just assumed the identity to get through 7C... can hardly remember DG anymore. But Mogora isn't a bole sister she's a d'ivers with connections to some obscure (Elder) spidergoddes named Ardath.

Fat Felisin we know practically all about, she's lived all her life in the desert, attached to the Wirld winds host, mutilated, ran off with Heboric and so on. She's far to young too, remember that The Bole Sister was mentioned as the meanest of the lot and that you don't want to meat her... that's not how Felisin was when she was younger.

Smiles: Maybe not too young, but the background we have of her doesn't sound like the bole sister. She reminds me of Picker. One of the soldiers joke about her stickining a knife in her father and she pales visibly. Just like Picker I'm guessing she offed her old man and went and joined the army to get away.

If the Bole sister was someone we knew, I'm sure more obvious clues to her identity would be revealed. Something about an afinity to woods, disliking that squad necromancer in the Bonehunters, having goofy teeth and straw like hear or something...

I just don't think she's shown up yet, she might still show up but were...?
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Posted 28 July 2006 - 01:35 PM

Fiddler is Falari, not sure where that is, but think it's on Quon Tali rather than Seven Cities. The Gral identity was just a disguise to get him through the rebellion-torn Seven Cities.

The Bole sister is not going to be any of the people you suggest, I don't understand why people seem to think a Bole would be posing undercover anywhere, and especially as a character known to have been around while the Malazans still fought the Mott Irregulars on Genebackis.

The Fourteenth was recruited from Quon Tali, not Genebackis.
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Posted 28 July 2006 - 02:51 PM

Actually Dol'Men, in MoI, one of the High Marshalls tells Ikovian and Gruntle that the Mott Ireg's have spies in the Malazan army. So an undercover Bole isn't unthinkable.

I agree tho', it seems unlikely she'sa nyone we've seen thus far.

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Posted 28 July 2006 - 10:10 PM

I considered the Bole sister like some kind of urban legend: you hear a lot about it, but you don't get to see any of it (her?).

Kind of like how Nefarious Bredd is woven into The 14th's myths...
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Posted 29 July 2006 - 03:22 AM

Actually, I would agree with everyone. I'm not trying to predict the plot, or unmask secret identities. What do I know? It just seems to me that the Mott Irregulars are going to show up again, and that they will turn out to be important, somehow. They were terrific comic relief on their own continent, but why would they show up in Bonehunters? SE took the unnecessary trouble to drag them over the waves in the form of Crump. Why?

Keep mind that the Mott High Marshals have a tendency to show up wherever they want, and to know what's going on in all kinds of places. At the end of MOI, they've been following the forces all the time, even though Kallor has told them in no uncertain terms to "piss off back to Shepard's Bush" . . . the explanation being, of course, that they missed the point, or didn't really think he meant it.
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Posted 29 July 2006 - 07:54 AM

but still, I'm willing to bet my soul it's none of those mentioned in the first post :)
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Posted 29 July 2006 - 10:12 AM

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Keep mind that the Mott High Marshals have a tendency to show up wherever they want, and to know what's going on in all kinds of places. At the end of MOI, they've been following the forces all the time, even though Kallor has told them in no uncertain terms to "piss off back to Shepard's Bush" . . . the explanation being, of course, that they missed the point, or didn't really think he meant it.


Ahh... I'm a bit more mistrusting. I doubt that a misunderstood og ignored order is all that was behind their following the Allied force. Remember that The Mott Irregulars are the only ones we heard dragging spoils of war out of Black Coral :)

The Mott irregulars are more than they seem and if they decide to do something I'm quite sure that it takes more than an army to stop them... just like Dujek discovered in Mott Wood. There's more behind that ignorant, goofy image their officers display. Their smart, in the quick ben sneaky kind of way. They don't seem very powerful, but good at what they do.

That said, I'm not sure they give a damn about the coming fight on Lether
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Posted 30 July 2006 - 02:53 AM

My point exactly. One of the reasons I keep buying Malazan books is that the truly goofy characters are the ones who turn out to be important.

Example: Kruppe. He's the classic example, actually. He functions as the Comic Babu in GOM, and does it really well. SE could have left it there. But it turns out he's one of the important hidden figures in Darujhistan's weird, incestuous politics. Then it turns out -- once he gets into the other books -- that he's a lot more interesting than that.

Bonehunters confirms that there is a lot going on with Iskaral Pust and Moghora (Henry Crun and Minnie Bannister), and Crump suggests the same thing about the Mott Irregulars.

Along the same lines: are Icarium and Mappo really Don Quixote and Sancho Panza? If so, they're a good bet to defeat Karsa and everyone else on Lether.
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Posted 30 July 2006 - 02:46 PM

I am afraid to meet the Bole sister. She is bound to be terrifying.
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Posted 31 July 2006 - 01:33 PM

One of the Bridgeburners in MoI made the point that when the MIs were cornered and forced to fight, it was "...like some terrible swamp god awakened..".

I also like the bit where they start to get pissed and bored in MoI and so they blunt their swords, because they do more damage that way.

Amusement aside, there is a real dark side to the MIs. If the sister is more than a myth, she really is liable to be nasty.

I will pee on own leg laughing if Tavore decides to hire the Mott Ireg's in RG.... I can just picture it... the 14th stops in Genabackis to resupply and prep for the Leth campaign...

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Posted 31 July 2006 - 02:55 PM

Hmm... They seem to like loot(the Irregulars), so letting them loose on Lether wouldn't be a bad idea. Somehow... I think the ratcatchers guild would get along fine with them. They are like two peas in a pot (I've always wanted to use that term...)
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